Lori Alexander learning less than ever- Part 7

[EmiGirl]

1 hour ago, polecat said:

Some hymn titles sound so naughty. I remember having to stifle the giggles every time we had to sing "He Touched Me." Heh. 

I'm almost 32 and I still quietly giggle every time I hear it. 

[Sera's Arrow]

Oh, Lori's History Lessons. I always look forward to them because they make me chuckle. There has been a duration of time within the complete documented history of the human race when there wasn't problems with violence and sexual immorality? I must've missed those parts...

On Ken? I want to see numbers - the "abuse of a child also often creates an abuser" is a pretty broad statement to make without any faked numbers, man. C'mon, I had faith that he'd bring some quasi-logic to his wife's nonsense instead of just adding his own. Now I'm all disappointed. 

I also had a reply written last night, life happened and I never got the chance to submit it so, eh, better late than never. Justifying or excusing abuse admittedly flips my bitchswitch a small degree higher than actual abuse and there's no doubt in my mind that Lori is abusive herself. I'd think she is even if I ignored her personal accounts of hitting her own children and cat (attempted kicking, anyway), the list of behaviours that need to be smacked out of infants, her "pain is a great teacher" mumblings and her creepy sex talk and just focused on her replies to readers within the last 24 hours.

She enables to justify, I also think she enables what she has done because she truly believes it's normal and the "better" option from all the rest. If she, the Godly Mentor, did it and it worked then it must be true. It's the same if she thinks it is.

[Koala]

She's deleting her own Facebook comments now.

A reader pointed out that single moms usually don't have the luxury of staying home, and naturally Lori's response was "blah, blah, blah...the Lord will provide.  His commands aren't burdensome."  

Because being a single parent without a job is TOTALLY easy if you pray hard enough!  See: Not burdensome 

The reader came back with a simple question:

(Paraphrased)

Have you ever actually parented a child alone?  

Lori promptly deleted all of the comments.  She's never done it, doesn't have any idea how it would work, but hey- just ignore the details and do what The Godly Mentor says.

[iweartanktops]

Lori really doesn't seem to think about anything when she responds to people. She just repeats the same shit. 

[Koala]

6 minutes ago, iweartanktops said:

Lori really doesn't seem to think about anything when she responds to people. She just repeats the same shit. 

Yep.  And when she gets called on it, and can't answer for herself she just deletes the evidence like it never happened.  Magic- she's back to being a "wise" older woman.

[Loveday]

27 minutes ago, Koala said:

She's deleting her own Facebook comments now.

A reader pointed out that single moms usually don't have the luxury of staying home, and naturally Lori's response was "blah, blah, blah...the Lord will provide.  His commands aren't burdensome."  

Because being a single parent without a job is TOTALLY easy if you pray hard enough!  See: Not burdensome 

The reader came back with a simple question:

(Paraphrased)

Have you ever actually parented a child alone?  

Lori promptly deleted all of the comments.  She's never done it, doesn't have any idea how it would work, but hey- just ignore the details and do what The Godly Mentor says.

Were there responses to that question? Because I'm still seeing it there.

[Koala]

2 minutes ago, Loveday said:

Were there responses to that question? Because I'm still seeing it there.

So weird...I went back and now I can see it again.  No reply from the Godly Mentor.

[desertvixen]

30 minutes ago, Koala said:

The reader came back with a simple question:

(Paraphrased)

Have you ever actually parented a child alone?  

Lori promptly deleted all of the comments.  She's never done it, doesn't have any idea how it would work, but hey- just ignore the details and do what The Godly Mentor says.

I'd like to buy that commenter a drink.  Maybe Ken wasn't much use/help in the actual child-rearing process (basketball, you know) but the money is a big deal.

Not to mention the whole nanny issue...

[Loveday]

4 minutes ago, Koala said:

So weird...I went back and now I can see it again.  No reply from the Godly Mentor.

I'm waiting with bated breath to see if she does reply. Or maybe she'll send Ken in on his Horse of Truth.

[polecat]

51 minutes ago, Sera's Arrow said:

On Ken? I want to see numbers - the "abuse of a child also often creates an abuser" is a pretty broad statement to make without any faked numbers, man.

I've posted info in the past that says the opposite. The whole "cycle of abuse" thing came from a single study on a prison population -- so they were already coming from a pretty dysfunctional population while ignoring the potentially millions of functional survivors out there.

Anecdotal, perhaps, but from the survivors I know (and as a survivor myself, that's quite a lot of people), most of them are fiercely protective of children. In fact, I see the opposite -- they'd be more likely to cut a bitch like Lori than they would to ever raise so much as their voice to their children much less a hand.

I spend my time in crippling self-doubt worrying that I'm a terrible mother ... worrying that I'm not doing a good job ... worrying that I'm doing something wrong. Parenting after having NO good examples of parenting is HARD. Maybe the hardest thing I've ever done. And I am DAMN proud of it. I'm proudest of the fact that no one knows my kids came from an abused mother -- that my kids are functional and happy and healthy. They are strong and resilient and whole. Fuck his stereotypes.

Yes, some survivors develop unhealthy coping mechanisms that could increase the risk of them turning to abusive behavior -- but that does not mean all survivors turn into abusers or are inevitably going to become an abuser. The evidence just doesn't support that. http://www.centrefortherapy.ca/Mythsofabuse

Ken can kiss my ass. He needs to worry about his own children and what they might be doing to his grandchildren. 

27 minutes ago, Koala said:

Yep.  And when she gets called on it, and can't answer for herself she just deletes the evidence like it never happened.  Magic- she's back to being a "wise" older woman.

If by "wise older woman" she means dumbass old coot, then I totally agree.

[Koala]

Now that I can see them again, here they are:

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Always Learning sounds nice in theory, but who is going to provide for them who are fatherless?

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Women who have children and are single must work. It's not optional.

Lori:

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The children don't understand this, however, and they still need a mother. The mothers should do everything they can to work from home so they can be their for their children. Their children have already lost one parent. They shouldn't have to lose 2. If God wants mothers to be keepers at home, He will provide a way to those who ask Him for wisdom and do all they can to come home. He tells us that none of His commands are burdensome. We must trust Him

In other words:

I have no clue what they're supposed to do for food and a roof over their heads, but it shouldn't be a problem because Bible.

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 Always Learning have you raised a child alone?

Lori hasn't answered, but I will.  

Nope.  Lori married for money, and they've both been paying for it for over 30 years.

Another readers points to actual scripture:

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Titus 2:3-5 says, "Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God." The other direct verse is 1 Timothy 5:14, which says, "So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander." Another translation for the phrase "to be busy at home" in the Titus 2 passage is "to be keepers at home." - please tell me where it says home full time with their children? I'm keen to learn.

Lori:

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"Busy AT home..." and "manage their homes" I have talked to many children whose mother were teachers and they all felt abandoned by their mothers and felt their mother gave all of their time and attentions to their students instead of their own children. We need to stop arguing for the mother's rights but for the children's. If she is single, they need the Lord to ask Him for wisdom in being able to stay home full-time with their children and make money from home. He is our Provider and capable of providing what He commands us to do. We need to trust Him more.

I am going to call bullshit on the "I have talked to many children" bit.  I think Lori makes a ton of this up.  Kind of like when Ken waltzed in here and said he was "speaking for teachers".  When we called him on it, he admitted that by "speaking for all teachers" he actually meant "speaking for one teacher".

The real answer is : They should stay home because The Godly Mentor says so, that's why!

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 I do agree to a point- but I dare not disagree when so much prayer has taken place with her anguish over whether she should accept the job- she was at home and is still busy at home- and us not going against her husband- she is still nurturing them and their needs come before work- but God clearly revealed it to her through his word that she be where she is

Lori:

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God never goes against His Word so they are fooling themselves.

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He does not say full time Lori- forgive me but I'm not willing to be a slanderer and it is not my place to judge but to love. The word also explicitly lists a wife of Nobel character in proverbs 31- I agree- he does not go against his word- but we are fooling ourselves if we let our prejudices or thoughts get in the way of his love reaching those that don't know him.

We'll see what Lori says to that.

[Florita]

One of the women Lori is preaching to her FB readers not to listen to because women shouldn't preach (catch the irony?) is none other than her dear Ann Voskamp who she quotes glowingly and repeatedly:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/01/living-loved.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/11/comparisons-are-deadly.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/08/romance-is-long-sacrifice.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/11/addiction-to-entertainment-is.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/05/we-forget-so-easily.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-wonderful-life.html

And apparently Lori has posted on Voskamp's blog because at least two readers found Lori's blog from there:

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Found you through Ann Voskamp.

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Found you through Ann's place this Wednesday.

Lori's picture ought to be next to "hypocrite" in the dictionary.

[Shiny]

I can never get over the victim-shaming and abuse-excusing that goes on in many Christian circles.  Lori is fucked up. She actually seems evil, unlike some families here that just seem misguided or stupid. Lori Alexander is a sick woman...and Ken is no better. 

 

[Koala]

27 minutes ago, Florita said:

One of the women Lori is preaching to her FB readers not to listen to because women shouldn't preach (catch the irony?) is none other than her dear Ann Voskamp who she quotes glowingly and repeatedly:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/01/living-loved.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/11/comparisons-are-deadly.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/08/romance-is-long-sacrifice.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/11/addiction-to-entertainment-is.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/05/we-forget-so-easily.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-wonderful-life.html

And apparently Lori has posted on Voskamp's blog because at least two readers found Lori's blog from there:

Lori's picture ought to be next to "hypocrite" in the dictionary.

She's done several posts on Joyce Meyers too!

In one post she even writes:

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This is why I love Joyce Meyers.  She reminds me of me.  

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2011/04/joyce-meyers-testimony.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/12/i-was-always-on-my-mind.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-defining-moment-in-their-marriage.html

*smh* It's like she doesn't even realize she's contradicting herself.

And here she is saying she loves something Beth Moore has said:

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  I love what Beth Moore teaches.  Immodest women are mean women. 

 

[Florita]

4 minutes ago, Koala said:

She's done several posts on Joyce Meyers too!

In one post she even writes:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2011/04/joyce-meyers-testimony.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/12/i-was-always-on-my-mind.html

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-defining-moment-in-their-marriage.html

*smh* It's like she doesn't even realize she's contradicting herself.

I am SO tempted to reply to her on FB with all this - it is killing me!

But I just want to watch the monkeys at the zoo - not get in the cage - so I won't. Will power don't fail me now. 

[Koala]

20 minutes ago, Florita said:

But I just want to watch the monkeys at the zoo - not get in the cage - so I won't. Will power don't fail me now. 

 I might have cried a little.

[dairyfreelife]

4 hours ago, Koala said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Koala said:

However, America was a much better place back then when mothers were home full-time because at least their children knew they were there for them even if they weren't great mothers. There wasn't the drug and alcohol problems, sexual immorality, divorce, debauchery, gangs, violence, mass shootings, etc. that there are today where children are being raised with no one home for them

Ahem, Lori...

Gangs from the 19th Century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leung_Ying-also lists two other massacres that had occurred in CA prior to this one.

There's plenty more where that came from sadly. 

Because no gangs or violence or sexual immortality or drug and alcohol abuse or divorce or mass shootings ever happened before the 1960s, nope. And no debauchery, not ever, nope. 

[lilwriter85]

4 hours ago, iweartanktops said:

Lori really doesn't seem to think about anything when she responds to people. She just repeats the same shit. 

Yep so true. A part of me thinks that there might come a day when she gets tired of people calling her out  or questioning her on certain things. She often has trouble trying to defend her views and we know about her history of deleting comments or questions or not letting certain comments go up on the blog. 

 

I also think Ken probably gets tired of white knighting her and when he was posting here he said that he respected working women. While, I don't like Ken I think he tends to have a better of view of some women work than Lori does. Lori's blog and probably some of the hings she says to people IRL probably causes internal conflicts with Ken.  He knows that his business thrives due in part to working women in the orthodontic world.  I've said this in the past, but I bet Ken has lost potential clients due to Lori's blog. Orthodontists who may considered doing business with him might have done their research and stumbled onto the blog. Besides Lori's hatred of working women, she has slammed poor people, gays, and other groups.

[iheartchacos]

There is absolutely no way I could support myself and my kid without working! And we'd both be bored and miserable. I guess she'd tell me to move back in with my parents? But willing family isnt guaranteed.

Lori, what are YOU doing for the widows and orphans?! I'm raising one, now it's your turn.

Ugh.

[usedtobenice]

On the upside, it's not like we have to worry that Lori is going to love bomb anyone. 

[smittykins]

11 hours ago, Koala said:

She's deleting her own Facebook comments now.

A reader pointed out that single moms usually don't have the luxury of staying home, and naturally Lori's response was "blah, blah, blah...the Lord will provide.  His commands aren't burdensome."  

Because being a single parent without a job is TOTALLY easy if you pray hard enough!  See: Not burdensome 

 

I'm frankly surprised she didn't say "Well, she should've stayed with her husband, and if she never married she shouldn't have had teh secks to begin with."

[polecat]

10 hours ago, Koala said:

  I love what Beth Moore teaches.  Immodest women are mean women. 

Does anyone have that pic of Lori in a plunging neckline handy? Along with a list of her nastiest quotes?

[Koala]

Another damn sex post.  She talks about sex more than anyone I know.  Maybe it's because she's so discreet and modest?  

Also, why are these men talking to Lori about their sex lives? 
Anyway, the first guy she quotes sounds like a real winner:

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Man #1: Approximately 25 years for us. There is always a reason not to. Always a reason to wait. She usually won’t say “no” these days, but there’s still never a reason to want me. Never a reason to look forward to me. She pretends to enjoy me for about five minutes, and thinks I can’t see the truth. When a wife wants her husband, she doesn’t wait till the door is shut to show it.

 

Disrespectful, undermining, she drags her feet, questions everything, and subtly sabotages when she can’t get around what I ask…. she appears to be a martyr and a model submissive wife to everyone else. I get accused of being a lousy husband and possibly abusive. I’ve been depressed for several years now. Couldn’t even get a job. Of course that becomes a reason to be cold, but the problems have been there all along. My heart is torn, but I’m told I’m not spiritual, and that I don’t need anything but Jesus. I have Jesus… He says I need a wife, and gave me a wife — I just want her to be my wife.

Yeah, this guy sounds like a class act.  It's a real wonder his wife wants nothing to do with him.

Lori:

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If it hurts, talk with a wiser, older woman about it or see a doctor. 

Let me fix that for you Lori:

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If it hurts, talk with a wiser, older woman about it or see a doctor. 

 Lori Alexander isn't a medical professional, and consulting her with medical issues would be a giant waste of time unless you want her to tell you to juice your problems away.

Comments today should be interesting.  

[lilwriter85]

9 hours ago, iheartchacos said:

There is absolutely no way I could support myself and my kid without working! And we'd both be bored and miserable. I guess she'd tell me to move back in with my parents? But willing family isnt guaranteed.

Lori, what are YOU doing for the widows and orphans?! I'm raising one, now it's your turn.

Ugh.

I don't think she has ever done a single thing for widows and orphans. She also doesn't realize or probably even care that some women can't turn to their families for different reasons and sometimes people will not help adult children and grandchildren who are going through hard times post divorce or post death of a spouse. Ken said something that he wouldn't help an adult child who is struggling financially, so that conflicts with Lori's statements. My guess is that Ken is probably hoping or told his daughters to make sure their husbands have multiple life insurance policies and other resources in case something happens.

[molecule]

This is the one area where I actually agree with Lori in many respects. I disagree with her husband-centered approach to sex, but the fact is that this is a huge problem in many marriages I've worked with in my marriage ministry work. The emotional pain I hear from men is exactly as she describes. Although the lack of sexual intimacy rarely happens in a vacuum and usually points to some fundamental relationship issues that need to be addressed, the emotional pain experienced by these husbands is quite deep and quite real. (Their wives are usually experiencing emotional pain, too, and that also needs to be addressed.) I'll be interested in the comments on her blog today, and while I disagree with her approach, I won't be snarking on this one.