Josh and Anna 53: 151 Month Sentence

[FleeJanaFree]

The podcast has poor audio and jumps around chronologically which is annoying. But I Re-listened with the intent to make notes for you/recap: 

-the Duggar kids would invite Holts to events, and then the parents would call the Holts to specifically uninvite them. I’m guessing this was why Joy was emotional with Bobeye; she didn’t realize her parents kept them away. 

-3 of them quickly shittalk the lawyers/court/ explain to listeners that’s how they got in touch originally with the podcaster who attended the trial. 

-the night the Holts found out, they got Josh out of the house to a ‘facility’ in Little Rock. March 30 2003. 

-in 2003 they when Josh came home for a break of treatment it’s a public misconception that it was for filming. It was for JBs birthday / a parents magazine interview.

-holt told JB that josh “didn’t struggle- he failed!”

-Jim holt thinks fame changed JB. 

-upset JB claimed Bobeye was a church elder. When JB tried to discredit Bobeyes testimony Jim

Holt realized JB is still trying to cover up/hasn’t improved over the years. They thought JB trying to discredit Bobeye just made her more believable in the end. 

-Jim H doesn’t buy the liberals are out to get the Duggar’s. They know what Josh confessed to them. 

-they warned JB covering it up would be worse in the long run and Josh would get worse in his sins as well. 

-Josh confessed to much more than what’s public knowledge. 

-JB knew about the molestation when Josh was 13, sounds like Josh started at age 12

-at the time of the sin of the camp comment was made, JB had known about Josh for 3 months. Josh was about to turn 14. JB was answering to a reporter who essentially asked “if god called you to run for senate, why didn’t you win?” Jim holt is adamant this comment was about the Duggar campaign, NOT Jim Holts race. 

-Their daughter Kayleigh was not the babysitter/Jane Doe 5, but was willing to let people think that to protect that Jane Doe. They will not disclose who this girl is out of respect.

-the Jim’s and Clark Wilson decided where to send Josh. They reflected much later that Jim bob pushed for this particular facility.

-the Holts felt if Josh committed a crime, he should go through the authorities. They initially believed the Duggar’s did so. 

-they starting thinking the treatment was shady once they realized JB was able to check Josh out for his birthday. The church was shocked Josh was gone such a short amount of time. If he went to treatment for a crime, how could he be checked out nilly-willy AND not go back? Red flag and they started questioning things. 

-Jim holt literally told Jim Bob to turn Josh in, sounds like he also told Josh’s treatment advisor. He Found out later the ‘facility’ was IBLP. He originally believed Josh was truly doing a treatment through the police. The Holts themselves were no longer in IBLP at this time. Bobeye says this wasn’t at some guys house, it was a building connected to some police station. The director lived close by. This is why ppl think he was digging swamps or whatever. There were other troubled youth there. 

-Holt’s got Josh out of the Duggar house the night they found out about the molestation because they wanted Duggar girls protected. 

-the director was Harold Walker. Jim said SoJo could edit it out but Bobeye wants it public. They don’t know if he’s a licensed counselor. 

-Duggar parents’ demeanor in disclosing the info to the Holts was panic/distraught. They all viewed it as ‘cheating’ on Kayleigh. Holts think Duggar’s downplayed it. They (JB and Michelle) had seen signs leading up to it. Holts say they confessed to seeing the signs. 

-while Holts were at the 5th victims house one night, Josh called to confess he was “tempted” with sexual urges to touch his sisters. He later molested a child on his lap that very evening during bible study as *he* was babysitting that night. the Holts made it sound like one of the ‘precautions’ to keep Josh from stumbling was having him hold bible study with the family.

Hope I understand that all correctly. They talked over each other a lot. It ended abruptly and I think there will be a part 2.

[Guanabana]

What an unbelievable cluster fuck JB & Michelle created. If the Felon did admit to more the Holts need to tell all. There are already five victims traumatized by the monster, as well as JB’s and M’s vile actions. There should be no doubt left about the monster those two narcissistic fucks aided, abetted, and possibly continue to protect. Wow, I’ve worked with monsters like the Felon for way too long. Yet I’m having a physical reaction to this. Literally sick to my stomach. 

[Cam]

Thanks, FreeJanaFree, for the podcast summary. I don’t know much about the Holts tho I do know how important Bobyay’s testimony was. Prior to their finding out about Josh’s molestations, they were still creepy enough to want their fourteen year old daughter to be in a sort of preliminary promised relationship with Josh or whatever they called it. I can believe most of what they say but years after the fact they can spin the story to make themselves look better than they may actually have been at the time.  

Since she was someone who had a lot of the inside scoop on the family, I found Bobyay’s post after sentencing spoke volumes: “Because he (Josh) has been trusted, privileged, coddled, protected, and favored his whole life, he’s only gotten worse. He’s really just been masquerading as someone else.” 

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Could someone clear up a few questions I have about the partition on the computer: Did Josh give a reason why he loaded one onto his computer? How long of a process is it do install one? Did he ever try to say it was someone else who put it on there? If he said he put it on there, did he try to give an innocent reason why he did? What are legitimate reasons for a person to want to put a partition on their computer? Is using a partition a very common practice in general? It doesn’t seem so to me, but I have no knowledge about any of it. 

 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Cam

[FiveAcres]

3 minutes ago, Cam said:

Thanks, FreeJanaFree, for the podcast summary. I don’t know much about the Holts tho I do know how important Bobyay’s testimony was. Prior to their finding out about Josh’s molestations, they were still creepy enough to want their fourteen year old daughter to be in a sort of preliminary promised relationship with Josh or whatever they called it. Plus now they’re saying they saw “signs” leading up to the molestations. I can believe most of what they say but years after the fact they can spin the story to make themselves look better than they may actually have been at the time. 
 

Could someone clear up a few questions I have about the partition on the computer: Did Josh give a reason why he loaded one onto his computer? How long of a process is it do install one? Did he ever try to say it was someone else who put it on there? If he said he put it on there, did he try to give an innocent reason why he did? What are legitimate reasons for a person to want to put a partition on their computer? Is using a partition a very common practice in general? It doesn’t seem so to me, but I have no knowledge about any of it. 

 

For years I had a dual boot computer, running both Windows and Linux. I preferred Linux, but kept Windows on my machine because there was the potential that I might have to do something in Windows that I couldn't do in Linux. I finally gave up dual booting around (ten?) years ago when it was obvious that I was no longer using Windows at all on my machine. If worse should come to worse, I have a friend who will allow me to set up a Windows account on her machine since I am her first line tech support. I try to keep up with developments in Windows, just so I CAN answer simple questions like "should I allow Microsoft to upgrade my system to Windows 11?" 

Aside from Linux enthusiasts, the most common application of installing a secondary (or even tertiary) operating system is for software developers who want to test an application on a variety of applications. It is getting easier to do that in different ways now with various virtualization options, so I am not sure how many people do that anymore. You can even run Linux as an application under Windows in the most modern versions of Windows, which would have been unheard of fifteen years ago. 

But aside from my belief that anyone should be allowed to install any operating system they want on any hardware they own, it is hard for me to come up with an "innocent" explanation about why a used car lot owner needs a Linux partition on his computer.

 

[onekidanddone]

8 hours ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

I hope he turns to food. We saw a bit of that when he first got married. If he copes with food he won’t hurt anyone but himself. 

Ideally I’d hope for rehabilitation and mental health but this is Josh Duggar.

If he turns to food I’d gladly pay his MacDonalds bill. Fifteen eleventy Big Macs a day if he wants. 

[Sullie06]

18 hours ago, Anne Of Gray Gables said:

I don't think it could have been used against him if things had been handled properly.

From failing to protect or help their daughters to setting Josh up to be the total criminal loser he grew up to be, the Duggars have shown themselves to be absolutely god-awful parents. And this is just the stuff we know about.  I have no doubt we'll learn many more terrible things about Michelle and Jim Bob in the coming years.

I wonder if Jim Bob regrets the reality show now.  Or having about 15 more kids than they were capable of handling.       

Correct. If they had dealt with it properly the first time. Say they went to authorities, he was placed on Probation with a therapeutic stipulation. He did his term of Probation and SO treatment and was successfully discharged. Those records would be sealed. Wo while the media might still have dug all this up, in terms of the court, they wouldn't be admissable. By trying to brush it under the rug not only did they do a huge disservice to their daughters but to Josh as well. Firstly he didn't get the treatment he needed and secondly it was able to be considered in his trial.

[Sullie06]

16 hours ago, Mama Mia said:

I don’t get this. I understand JB handled absolutely everything regarding Josh badly - most particularly throwing his daughters under the bus in his quest to protect him, and being a generally controlling, overbearing jerk. But he seems to have - at least at one point- believed he was getting him some sort of treatment and consequences that would fix him. And it’s his son. WTF is Anna’s excuse? She’s not a parent struggling with a bad apple/ disturbed/ evil / sociopathic child. She’s a grown woman who is repeatedly and loudly defending her pedo husband. 

I don't believe JimBob did what he did for Josh. He did it for himself. He wanted to preserve the family name and image within their community and it worked because here came the TLC cash train. They didn't run out and get Josh "treatment" which I use that word very loosely until other people began to find out what was happening. 

As for Anna, she's certainly not innocent in this but she's also a woman who was raised in a cult and is still fully immersed in this cult. Her Pedo husband and his shady father are all she knows. I wish she had the where withal to realize the socio-emotional harm she's causing her children but to her, she's doing what's expected of her and what she see's and very likely is told is right. So yes I wish she was able to see the light and get out of this environment for her children and herself. 

[Anne Of Gray Gables]

1 hour ago, Cam said:

 

Could someone clear up a few questions I have about the partition on the computer: Did Josh give a reason why he loaded one onto his computer? How long of a process is it do install one? Did he ever try to say it was someone else who put it on there? If he said he put it on there, did he try to give an innocent reason why he did? What are legitimate reasons for a person to want to put a partition on their computer? Is using a partition a very common practice in general? It doesn’t seem so to me, but I have no knowledge about any of it. 

I believe the excuse for the partition provided by Josh was that someone supposedly told him that it would be great for the advertising of cars if he used a partition. Which is just silly. I think Josh said this during his LE interview.

I've never done it, but many people will partition a computer to keep work and personal stuff completely separate as it's like having two different computers. My understanding is that you can easily Google for step by step instructions and it's neither complicated nor very time consuming.  

[OldFadedStar]

1 hour ago, Cam said:

Could someone clear up a few questions I have about the partition on the computer: Did Josh give a reason why he loaded one onto his computer? How long of a process is it do install one? Did he ever try to say it was someone else who put it on there? If he said he put it on there, did he try to give an innocent reason why he did? What are legitimate reasons for a person to want to put a partition on their computer? Is using a partition a very common practice in general? It doesn’t seem so to me, but I have no knowledge about any of it. 

 

 I had one on my MacBook a few years ago. It was so I could game on it as many games aren't compatible with apple. I had windows along with iOS

[Cam]

Thanks, everyone, for the insights on the partition.

 

32 minutes ago, Sullie06 said:

As for Anna, she's certainly not innocent in this but she's also a woman who was raised in a cult and is still fully immersed in this cult. Her Pedo husband and his shady father are all she knows. I wish she had the where withal to realize the socio-emotional harm she's causing her children but to her, she's doing what's expected of her and what she see's and very likely is told is right. So yes I wish she was able to see the light and get out of this environment for her children and herself. 

I think Anna saw herself as some kind of savior or fixer to the Duggar family when she married Josh and she cannot admit to herself that she wasn’t enough to change him. She, her parents, JB and Meech all thought Josh simply needed a joyfully available wife on demand to satisfy his sexual appetite and then his interest in pornography and prepubescent girls would go away. I can even see the possibility of Pa Keller and JB elbowing each other and nyuk-nyuking it up in private saying, yeah, Josh just needs a wife (wink, wink) and all that other stuff will be gone.

As a way to show how often they did it, Anna started popping out the babies and made it look like Josh was in to being a faithful husband, having a wife and family, getting his sexual needs met. She had some clout with JB and Meech for this and reigned high in the Duggar hierarchy for helping Josh look respectable, especially to those who may have known about his past. 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Cam

[onekidanddone]

Question: Legally how could JimGlob keep Amy from DWTS?

[FiveAcres]

2 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Question: Legally how could JimGlob keep Amy from DWTS?

Speculation: If Amy signed an NDA in return for getting some cash, could the terms of the NDA have kept her from "working" on video for a certain amount of time without Blob's permission? In other words, she couldn't use the Duggar "trademark" without Blob's permission.

[SassyPants]

38 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Question: Legally how could JimGlob keep Amy from DWTS?

JB: I will not allow that

If JB is ballsy enough to attempt to bully a federal judge, I doubt he’d have any problem bullying Amy.

ETA- wonder if JB fancied himself Amy’s headship?

Edited June 3, 2022 by SassyPants

[Mama Mia]

51 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Question: Legally how could JimGlob keep Amy from DWTS?

The wording in that story was super vague. My take was that years ago, when Amy was actually on 19 Kids, JB wouldn’t let her go pursue other outlets like DWTS. I think she would VERY much like some celebrity /reality show offers now, and that’s why she’s putting it out there. 

[Funwithfundies]

9 hours ago, FleeJanaFree said:

-Josh confessed to much more than what’s public knowledge. 

Holy shit, that's chilling.

[Alisamer]

10 hours ago, SPHASH said:

https://okmagazine.com/p/jim-bob-duggar-shuts-down-amy-offer-dwts/

According to The Sun, Jim Bob prevented his niece Amy Duggar from joining the competition dance show, which often has celebrities and pro dancers perform in racy costumes perfectly normal for the situation dance costumes.

Fixed! Sure, some of the costumes show plenty of skin, but they aren't anything that wouldn't be worn for a dance performance or even competition necessarily. 

3 hours ago, Cam said:

Could someone clear up a few questions I have about the partition on the computer: Did Josh give a reason why he loaded one onto his computer? How long of a process is it do install one? Did he ever try to say it was someone else who put it on there? If he said he put it on there, did he try to give an innocent reason why he did? What are legitimate reasons for a person to want to put a partition on their computer? Is using a partition a very common practice in general? It doesn’t seem so to me, but I have no knowledge about any of it. 

 

Lots of people have given reasons why someone might have a partition. There are tons of reasons to have one. I for a long time had a partition on my drive that I kept mostly empty just to use as a "scratch disk" for Photoshop - in order to "undo" it has to save previous versions of the file temporarily, and working on a huge file that can fill up things quickly.

A partition isn't really something you load on a computer or install, really, it is what it says - a partition. Like the hard drive is a big open room, but you need a separate space for whatever reason (privacy, storage, to do a specific thing unrelated to the room at large, organization, to set aside space for a specific purpose, etc.) so you put up walls to partition that room into two rooms. He divided the hard drive into a public room and a private, locked room. The big public room had covenant eyes, family photos, and all his business stuff on it. In the private room he downloaded Tor to browse the dark web and stored all his CSAM he found in there. Adding a partition is like adding a closet to a room that doesn't have one.

That's my non-technical understanding of it, anyway. It's super easy to do on most computers.

Edited June 3, 2022 by Alisamer

[QuiverFullofBooks]

9 hours ago, FleeJanaFree said:

They (JB and Michelle) had seen signs leading up to it. Holts say they confessed to seeing the signs. 

This disturbs me so much. They knew he was attracted to his sisters and they still made him babysit.

[OldFadedStar]

Amy was on that marriage rehab show... if JB had any control then she wouldn't have been on that. At least post her time on the show. It may have been a TLC thing too

[Milly-Molly-Mandy]

14 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

This disturbs me so much. They knew he was attracted to his sisters and they still made him babysit.

What were the signs though? The podcast was super vague, don't feel the interviewer was great. 

[nolongerIFBx]

15 hours ago, GuineaPigCourtship said:

@nolongerIFBx it wouldn't matter if he got a law degree. He would not pass the good moral standing litmus test.

I have a friend who got a DUI in vet school and she had to write a letter to the state board apologizing and condemning her past action to be granted a license.

Yes, no way he would ever be admitted into a state bar. I worked in a law school for 10 years and the first day of orientation was a wake up call for a lot of them who "forgot" to put something on their application. But he could still get the education if he is interested in law.

[Alisamer]

11 minutes ago, nolongerIFBx said:

Yes, no way he would ever be admitted into a state bar. I worked in a law school for 10 years and the first day of orientation was a wake up call for a lot of them who "forgot" to put something on their application. But he could still get the education if he is interested in law.

Frankly if he's interested in law he SHOULD study it, hard, and quickly. He may never be able to be admitted to the bar or work as a lawyer, but being able to understand and explain legal stuff to fellow inmates might give him a way to ingratiate himself and raise his status a little bit. And might help him in business affairs once he's finally released. Especially if he at any point decides to untangle himself and his family from all JB's potentially shady financial shenanigans. 

Also, what else has he got to do? 12 years is a long time, he might as well use some of it to improve himself.

LOL, I know all that's highly unlikely, since it's Josh. But this is an opportunity he could seize to improve himself, if he'd just be bothered to do it. 

[zee_four]

1 hour ago, SassyPants said:

JB: I will not allow that

If JB is ballsy enough to attempt to bully a federal judge, I doubt he’d have any problem bullying Amy.

ETA- wonder if JB fancied himself Amy’s headship?

I truly think he did. His mother coddled him and when his sister went on to be a "dirty whore" (not my belief at all- just what I suspect JB thinks) and had sex and a daughter outside marriage, it was a confirmation bias in a way. It proved in his tiny little reptilian brain that women were destined to sin without a headship and he was far more holy and better than his sister. All the rubbish that he spews about Deanna and Amy for his "testimony" is proof enough. I guarantee you he still thinks that what Deanna did is worse than what Smuggar did. Deanna defied the conservative evangelical patriarchy, Smuggar's victims were children and women who JB believes are inferior to and property of the male heads headships. Yet another of the million reasons fundamentalism and really all conservative evangelical Christianity is F'ed up.

19 minutes ago, nolongerIFBx said:

Yes, no way he would ever be admitted into a state bar. I worked in a law school for 10 years and the first day of orientation was a wake up call for a lot of them who "forgot" to put something on their application. But he could still get the education if he is interested in law.

 

Yeah I had started law school on scholarship for a semester to study water law. I took time off for medical reasons and during that time I ran into my legal problems. I have a non violent drug felony and I could never pass the bar. It is frustrating that DUIs seem to be okay and other substance abuse related crimes are not. It tells you a lot about the old boys club of privileged lawyers in the past that developed the laws and what's acceptable and what's not, to remain in good standing with the bar. (And not just lawyers DUIs are treated so differently than less dangerous drug crimes. I don't believe in making legal consequences more punitive but for non violent drug possession or even very small scale distribution that doesn't put innocent people's lives on the line but you can get 15 years minimum mandatory, while for the former in many states it's a misdemeanor and a slap on the wrist) It's also usually treated differently if you're already a practicing lawyer or at least active with your state's respective bar association when you have the legal issue than if you have a record and are trying to become a lawyer if that makes sense.

[Cam]

55 minutes ago, OldFadedStar said:

Amy was on that marriage rehab show... if JB had any control then she wouldn't have been on that. At least post her time on the show. It may have been a TLC thing too

Famy…..yawn.

1 hour ago, Alisamer said:

Fixed! Sure, some of the costumes show plenty of skin, but they aren't anything that wouldn't be worn for a dance performance or even competition necessarily. 

Lots of people have given reasons why someone might have a partition. There are tons of reasons to have one. I for a long time had a partition on my drive that I kept mostly empty just to use as a "scratch disk" for Photoshop - in order to "undo" it has to save previous versions of the file temporarily, and working on a huge file that can fill up things quickly.

A partition isn't really something you load on a computer or install, really, it is what it says - a partition. Like the hard drive is a big open room, but you need a separate space for whatever reason (privacy, storage, to do a specific thing unrelated to the room at large, organization, to set aside space for a specific purpose, etc.) so you put up walls to partition that room into two rooms. He divided the hard drive into a public room and a private, locked room. The big public room had covenant eyes, family photos, and all his business stuff on it. In the private room he downloaded Tor to browse the dark web and stored all his CSAM he found in there. Adding a partition is like adding a closet to a room that doesn't have one.

That's my non-technical understanding of it, anyway. It's super easy to do on most computers.

This is very insightful and explained well. Thank you. Now the word partition makes sense. You mentioned Tor, another puzzle piece I’m not so sure about. A quick google and Wiki says it’s “software for enabling anonymous communication directing Internet traffic through a worldwide, volunteer overlay network, consisting of more than six thousand relays to conceal a user's location and usage from anyone performing network surveillance or traffic analysis.”

So he downloaded this thinking that he could not be tracked or it is the only way to access the dark web? Because I’m thinking the partition took care of Covenant Eyes being able to see what he was doing. 

But then FBI agents were sifting through the dark web working on csam cases and came across Josh’s something-or-other, IP address maybe? From that they could find the address it came from? But Josh wrongly thought with the combo of a partition and Tor, he could be anonymous? Yet the FBI found him so I’m not sure how they went about that.

 The tech part wasn’t clear to me and now that the dust is settling from the trial  I’m wondering how it all worked. Also, IIRC, the judge said something about how Josh went to great lengths to cover up his crimes. Or maybe it was the prosecution.

Edited June 3, 2022 by Cam

[hoipolloi]

1 hour ago, Alisamer said:

Lots of people have given reasons why someone might have a partition.

Macs are set up to create partitions if the user wants them. The utility Bootcamp comes with all macs and lets you run Windows once it's set up. There are other apps & workarounds for installing Linux on a partitioned Mac drive. I haven't used any of them so can't speak to how well they work -- I figure that if I want to run Windows or Linux programs extensively, I'll just get a cheap laptop rather than screw up my hard drive.

[onekidanddone]

2 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

This disturbs me so much. They knew he was attracted to his sisters and they still made him babysit.

There was a photo floating around where Josh had Josie sitting on his lap. WTAF