Fundy Reaction Responses to Smuggar's Guilty Verdict

[neuroticcat]

Their statement is shit. The words they use do not mean what we think they mean. I might hyperventilate just thinking about the control over Anna and M kids cloaked in “love and support.” Also notice how, even though they released a short statement, they managed to make it about them, how hard it is for them, what they will do, and how much they love all of their children. They also do not admit Josh’s guilt. Saying they care about victims of CSAM does not equal admitting Josh victimized them. I think it is a scrupulous statement, vetted by PR, but is 

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by neuroticcat
Random double post

[KSmom]

16 minutes ago, FunFunFundie said:

But their hearts ARE with people who have been harmed by CSAM! Josh! Josh has been harmed by it! And their brand!

Their statement is so devoid of anything other than PR spin. I mean, it's a decent statement, because it was written by somebody not them.

To me this is equivalent to a “thoughts and prayers” statement after yet another school shooting. All words but not going to make any meaningful changes,

[Bluebirdbluebell]

26 minutes ago, MedicineWoman said:

Okay, it's a fair statement, although I wish they had said something to indicate they believe in their son's guilt.

They're on the record saying they want to  support "Anna and their children". Let's try to hold them to that.

 

[Jinder Roles]

1 minute ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Okay, it's a fair statement, although I wish they had said something to indicate they believe in their son's guilt.

They're on the record saying they want to  support "Anna and their children". Let's try to hold them to that.

 

Due to their inability to take any accountability and judging by JimBoob's behaviour in court, they will continue to fail their children as well as Anna and the grandkids. It's sad all around. 

[Magenta]

The best way they can "support" Anna and the kids is to send them a shitstack of money and then GTFO of their lives forever.  Disgusting creeps. 

[socalrules]

22 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

JB the victims have names. Say their names. Michelle you gave birth to at least four of them so that should make it easy. (Well maybe not easy for you as you’ve forgotten them in the past)

Sadly, I don’t think they are talking about their daughters. I don’t think they see their daughters as victims and instead think that what Josh did to them has been blown way out of proportion. These people don’t care about anyone other than fetuses and only as a means of control. I don’t think they care about CSA survivors but to say they do fills in the appropriate statement boxes. 

Edited December 10, 2021 by socalrules

[JermajestyDuggar]

4 minutes ago, Magenta said:

The best way they can "support" Anna and the kids is to send them a shitstack of money and then GTFO of their lives forever.  Disgusting creeps. 

Oh we know Boob will act as her headship and expect any money he gives to have strings attached. 

[neuroticcat]

4 minutes ago, socalrules said:

Sadly, I don’t think they are talking about their daughters. I don’t think they see their daughters as victims and instead think that what Josh did to them has been blown way out of proportion. These people don’t care about anyone other than fetuses and only as a means of control. I don’t think they care about CSA survivors but to say they do fills in the appropriate statement boxes. 

Yes. I posted in the other thread a link to an article about IBLP. They DO NOT have a concept of the daughters as victims. They believe incestual abuse is natural curiosity and common in families. Victims are responsible, according to their teachings, of both inviting the abuse and responsible to not be bitter afterward. They get to think of it as an avenue for spiritual power and opportunity to grow in character. I imagine they don’t consider what happened to their daughters CSA.

[Iburneddinner]

JillPM, you out there? 👀  Anything?

[MedicineWoman]

So by IBLP rules, whose umbrella is Anna under now? JB or her dad? JB seems to have claimed it

[imokit]

3 minutes ago, MedicineWoman said:

So by IBLP rules, whose umbrella is Anna under now? JB or her dad? JB seems to have claimed it

She's still married, so still Josh, who may have asked his Dad to look after her and Anna to listen to his Dad.  But officially she's still under J'Pedo's umbrella.

[3KidsAndStopped]

I just knew that their statement would be like that. Its got politicians PR written all over it

[lizzybee]

Their statement reads tired to me and not like they think he's innocent and wrongly convicted. They're wrong, but it feels like they believe they tried everything and couldn't help their son so now all they can do is just pray for him and try to move forward caring for his wife and children. I hope they do that at least. These poor kids, my god. 

[karenb4729]

1 hour ago, Fjrocks said:

    Wow, this section was brave and significant IMO

   Moreover, “[h]e who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.” (Proverbs 17:15).   We have been lied to so much that we wanted to hear the evidence for ourselves in court. 

I thought this bible quote was very meaningful and a perfect quote to use given what Jill has had to endure.  I hope Joy feels no pressure to release any kind of statement.  She had a number of things come out in a very public way that she may need time to process.  I'm sure Jill and Derrick will be there for Joy and Austin and provide support.  

[HerNameIsBuffy]

43 minutes ago, Fjrocks said:

   If that's a PR written statement for Jim Bob and Michelle then they must have bought used and saved the difference.   That statement is horrible IMO on so many levels.

   "...and loving him, as we do all our children..."

     Who wrote this ironic bullshit?

Completely agree.  Glad to see you back, btw.  Always liked your posts and made me smile to see Pebbles again.

[TuringMachine]

54 minutes ago, Fjrocks said:

  "...and loving him, as we do all our children..."

     Who wrote this ironic bullshit?

Nothing says I love you like "I don't remember that horrific thing your brother did to you under my watch"

[HerNameIsBuffy]

1 hour ago, MomJeans said:

I understand why people want statements from Josh's siblings, I do.

To me, I don't expect the siblings to say anything, unless they want to.

Often with incest-based abuse, even the siblings who were not targeted by the abuser have complicated feelings, which can include shame and guilt. Also, this past week may be the first time some of them finally understood that they were lied to by their own parents.  I just hope that the siblings are at least privately supporting one another.

I feel entirely different about Jim Bob and Michelle.  They owe a public statement. 

I see why you feel that way, and I'd agree with you in circumstance where they live as private people.  I wouldn't expect Anna's siblings to issue statements if she were the one going to prison.

They send out messages to the public on behalf of their parents and cult.  JD had Josh as a groomsman at his televised wedding.  His wife gave birth on the family TV show.  He flies around in planes paid for by TLC money, including grifting with the medicorp scam.

Jana sends out messages every time she posts her lovely SAHD projects, when he photoshops skirts on pics of women in pants, of continuing to be one of the compliant faces of her cult.  Painting a very rosy life of hobbies and pretty things, never mentioning she has this kind of time because as a girl she was forbidden to get an education or a job.   How many people think that life style is so sweet in part because of the picture she paints 

They are both over 30 so it's been over a decade since they've been actively participating in the Duggar con as adults.  They had no problem going public with those messages.

You're right they don't owe the public anything, but this member of the public will continue to judge them as complicit.

Edited December 10, 2021 by HerNameIsBuffy

[smittykins]

1 hour ago, danvillebelle said:

They don't deserve to be called parents. 

I vote for “sperm donor” and “incubator.”

[clueliss]

I’m waffling in where to put this (because pastorfromok is NOT fundie, I’m found him on deconstructing Exvangelical tiktok 

 

[Dandruff]

I sure tf hope that Michael (M2) isn't being told that he's now man of the house.

[Mlissmartin]

47 minutes ago, karenb4729 said:

I thought this bible quote was very meaningful and a perfect quote to use given what Jill has had to endure.  I hope Joy feels no pressure to release any kind of statement.  She had a number of things come out in a very public way that she may need time to process.  I'm sure Jill and Derrick will be there for Joy and Austin and provide support.  

I agree along with the other person who mentioned this. None of his victims owe us a statement. I just wanted a thread because I was curious what family would comment because we knew some would. 

[CanadianMamam]

More from Deena Dillard

I am glad Jill has a strong support system around her.

[marmalade]

Kayleigh Holt Tull posted a tearful reaction on her IG (I think ..I just heard audio).

[ihaveanexamintwodays]

27 minutes ago, marmalade said:

Kayleigh Holt Tull posted a tearful reaction on her IG (I think ..I just heard audio).

I was about to post the same thing. She's a private individual so I was hesitant, but her IG and the story are public. She seems very thoughtful about how she's handling, and grieving, the situation. I'm sure she's had her own teenaged demons to relive through these past weeks. 

[Freejin]

3 hours ago, MomJeans said:

I understand why people want statements from Josh's siblings, I do.

To me, I don't expect the siblings to say anything, unless they want to.

Often with incest-based abuse, even the siblings who were not targeted by the abuser have complicated feelings, which can include shame and guilt. Also, this past week may be the first time some of them finally understood that they were lied to by their own parents.  I just hope that the siblings are at least privately supporting one another.

I feel entirely different about Jim Bob and Michelle.  They owe a public statement. 

I agree with this completely. The Duggar kids were forced into the public eye without a say in the matter. The ways in which some of them have “profited” from this has been overshadowed by the abuse they have endured under JB’s control of how they may profit. They owe the public nothing. They owe themselves everything and should feel entitled to use this time to heal themselves, their marriages and their families. 
 

JB and Michelle on the other hand owe the world a statement and an admission of guilt. But more than that they owe it to their children. 

2 hours ago, onekidanddone said:

JB the victims have names. Say their names. Michelle you gave birth to at least four of them so that should make it easy. (Well maybe not easy for you as you’ve forgotten them in the past)

I’ll give you a hint: some of the names start with J. 

2 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Okay, it's a fair statement, although I wish they had said something to indicate they believe in their son's guilt.

They're on the record saying they want to  support "Anna and their children". Let's try to hold them to that.

 

I don’t find it to be a fair statement especially in light of their original statement when Josh was arrested. 

”It is our prayer that the truth, no matter what it is, will come to light”. 
 

The truth came to light, assholes.