(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 41: Will the Rebers Continue their B&B for Child Predators After the Trial?

[RosyDaisy]

5 minutes ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

Are we sure this Bush is for the defence 😂 She has just said they found the dark web browser Transmission on his Macbook

Sounds to me like they are trying to confuse the jury.  I don't think it's working.

[3KidsAndStopped]

1 minute ago, metheglyn said:

Transmission isn't technically a darkweb browser, it's just a BitTorrent client, and is the default BitTorrent client for various Linux distributions, including Ubuntu. However, Bush said you can get TO the darkweb via Transmission. So Transmission being found is not in itself in any way proof of anything, but also doesn't rule out the ability to get to the darkweb.

Thank you (back to the slateboard 😂)

Seems an odd thing for the defence to highlight that he has used this on his MacBook though

[feministxtian]

So, when is this shitshow going to go to the jury? Tomorrow? They need to finish this so I can concentrate on what I need to instead of this. 

I'm thinking the aftermath of this, in terms of JB and M and their relationships with the kids/in-laws, is going to be right messy. JB's reputation is probably shot to hell after Bobye Holt's testimony. Damn, couldn't happen to a better guy. /s/

[hoipolloi]

6 minutes ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

And don't forget they then have to open and view the files hundreds of times.  

Yes, yes, yes. There is no way to portray the presence of CSAM on that computer other than it was deliberately sought out & downloaded, and then viewed repeatedly over weeks, months, or longer. NONE of that is accidental or resulted from a drive-by hijacking of the router.

Re: Mac vs. PC & partitioned drives. I converted to Mac years ago after getting fed up with the vulnerability of MS to malware & viruses. For the most part, Mac has worked well for me although there are some kinds of professional software (e.g., scientific data processing or inventory software) that are PC-only. Rather than partition my Mac hard drives, thus having to once more deal with anti-virus & anti-malware crap, my solution would be to get a cheap(er) PC laptop and run that stuff on it. I am bitter, though, that MS has never created a Mac version of Access and now Filemaker, its equivalent  in Mac world, has skyrocketed in price. 

[Magenta]

6 minutes ago, Alisamer said:

Reading the Sun's updates, it sounds like the defense is using the "baffle them with bullshit" strategy (whoever posted that phrase, thank you!).

 

I really hope the prosecution talks about this loud and clear for the jury.  I would hate for any of them to feel dumb for not following it all or feeling doubtful in their own judgement because of that. 

[theotherelise]

I don't think it will go to the jury until Wednesday. I don't think they're going to get through all the defense witnesses (with cross by prosecution) today. I think defense will finish up tomorrow, then they'll do closing arguments and jury instructions wednesday morning.

[Alisamer]

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2 MINUTES AGO

LINUX PARTITION PROGRAMS

In the case of the Linux partition in question, it had TOR, a torrent program, and VLC installed.

Gelfand's possible argument could be that Josh Duggar had used Transmission in the past, and he could be trying to question what the reasoning would be for Duggar to download other similar programs with the same goal.

Per the Sun.

I guess these lawyers aren't the sort of people who download the free trials of 5 different similar apps, and test them all to see which one they like best?  I certainly do that. Why would anyone download Firefox when they already have Internet Explorer? LOL!

[HarleyQuinn]

The IT 101 these jurors are getting sounds tedious even in the brief Sun recap. 

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

21 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

There was no way this was his first rodeo with CSAM.  

Absolutely; one doesn’t go straight from legal porn to the type of material he was looking at.

Edited December 6, 2021 by QuiverFullOfCondoms

[Rosie]

52 minutes ago, zeebaneighba said:

Six weeks is if you are lucky.  There is no standard paid maternity leave in the US.

Yes, for that reason it varies widely and is highly employer-dependent.  For companies with 50 employees or more, Family Medical Leave Act leave of 12 weeks (unpaid) is mandatory, but outside of that, you are at the mercy of your employer.

I am a white-collar worker and took 16 weeks paid (mostly not full pay, I think it was 66% "short-term disability" pay) with each of my kids.  My current employer provides six months of paid leave.  That's not at all usual however.

[SongRed7]

2 hours ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

The speed of this is impressive.

speculation, but the I think the prosecution wants to make it swift and painful...not draw it out and risk losing the juries full attention. 

Edited December 6, 2021 by SongRed7

[karenb4729]

1 minute ago, HarleyQuinn said:

The IT 101 these jurors are getting sounds tedious even in the brief Sun recap. 

Information overload to the point where they will just go back to easier to understand info like the timeline of events placing Josh in the right place at the right time.  Bottom line, CSAM on the computer and accessed at the time he was at the car lot.  

[Tatar-tot]

5 minutes ago, RosyDaisy said:

Sounds to me like they are trying to confuse the jury.  I don't think it's working.

From serving my time on a week long jury: 

1.  Jurists do not like to be treated like they are stupid.

2.  Jurists do not like their time wasted with BS. 
 

The strategy of bamboozling the Jury with BS has a greater chance of irritating the jury then winning them over.

[3KidsAndStopped]

Just now, SongRed7 said:

speculation, but the I think the prosecution wants to make it swift and painful...not draw it out and risk loosing the juries full attention. 

The defence are using the exact opposite tactic, it would seem

[TuringMachine]

4 minutes ago, Antimony said:

I believe the prosecution has pre-emptively pointed out how noticable remote access is, too.

I had a boyfriend in college who would, upon occasion, remotely access his roommate (and very good friends) laptop as a prank and just like...move the mouse a little bit while the guy was working to get on his nerves. You notice it. It's a good prank between friends in the computer science department because it's noticeable and obvious.

I remember when I was in college and we figured out how to remotely push text to each others sessions. The go to prank was to find the largest text file you could and push it someone's terminal. They'd be unsuspectingly doing class work and then all the suddenly their screen fills up with a wall of text. The point is, yes remote access tends to be pretty jarring.

The defense seems to do a lot of contradicting their own arguments here. They're trying to claim it could have been remotely hacked, but earlier they were arguing the car lot office was too small for anything to happen in it  without someone else noticing. But apparently Josh didn't notice the computer turning on and downloading stuff on its own?

Also he's too dumb to know how to use Tor, but also uses Tor to for privacy from the paparazzi? 

[theotherelise]

I have engaged in a LOT of true crime over the years. I worked with the innocence project on some legal stuff back when I worked for the legislature. I've been especially studious about wrongful convictions and the problems with police investigations that hone in on one suspect too early. 

This whole defense is in the vein of the "whodunnit" that they talked about in the opening statement. They want to portray that the investigators honed in on Josh without investigating all the potential other perpetrators and so they have the wrong guy. But CSAM is not a murder. They had a flagged IP address belonging to Josh. They got a warrant for specifically the devices on the lot. They didn't have probable cause to get warrants for the devices of people who were not at the car lot when the downloads happened. The subsequent search showed the CSAM was on the computer owned by Josh and hidden by one of his passwords. Additional investigation showed Josh was at the car lot, in front of the computer, when the downloads happened. 

The defense wants to act like the investigators didn't do a good job because they didn't investigate every person who ever set foot on the lot. But this isn't a whodunnit and investigators are not legally allowed to seize everyone's computer. This is not a complicated case. It was the offending pedophile who owns the computer where the images were found and placed himself at the location at the time of the downloads.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

19 minutes ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

And don't forget they then have to open and view the files hundreds of times.  

And this.  So someone snuck in and did all that and just happened to download the stuff he wants to view over and over?  What a coincidence that would be.

[Tatar-tot]

8 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Absolutely; one doesn’t go straight from legal porn to the type of material he was looking at.

I would think most would take a pit stop at Porn Hub before engaging in the dark web.  
 

Does anyone know if Anna, Joy, and Derrick sat through Bobeye Holt’s testimony?

[libgirl2]

8 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Absolutely; one doesn’t go straight from legal porn to the type of material he was looking at.

I don't have an issue with legal porn. I know many times women are exploited but if everyone is legal age.... it exists and it will always exist. Its not an ideal whatsoever but it is legal. 

[SongRed7]

56 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

Assuming Josh is found guilty would the Duggar women be allowed to give victim impact statements?

I'm guessing no because he isn't being tried for molestation.  So unless the receiving and possessing CSAM directly impacted them, then it would be irrelevant.  

[3KidsAndStopped]

Oh all snarking aside, the pictures of Joy in the court break are soul wrenching 😥

[Freejin]

22 minutes ago, karenb4729 said:

I'm waiting to see how the defense is going to try to sew seeds of doubt over the timeline provided by the prosecution.  To me, if I were a juror, the evidence of the timeline of texts to Anna, him at the car lot, and the viewing of the CSAM is pretty concrete and on that evidence I would convict. 

Should we be nervous??

[karenb4729]

1 minute ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

Oh all snarking aside, the pictures of Joy in the court break are soul wrenching 😥

I agree, the pain on her face is so heartbreaking.  

[Antimony]

1 minute ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

Oh all snarking aside, the pictures of Joy in the court break are soul wrenching 😥

God, they are (The Sun).

It's possible the photographer is just good and crafty, tabloid style, and there's a brisk cold December wind in her face, but in context, they're absolutely heart wrenching.

[3KidsAndStopped]

If you zoom in, I am fairly sure Austin has been crying. Possibly Joy as well.