[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh & Anna 31: Charged on 2 LaCounts

[JenniferJuniper]

6 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

By NCIVM treatment do you mean a critical expose?  I'd be on board for that, even if it means Famy mugging to the camera.

Yep.  It's time now.  I think enough ex-members will feel comfortable coming forward now and I also think we'll see more and more second generation defectors in the coming months as the Smuggar saga continues.

If I were a documentary filmmaker,  I'd be all over these freaks.

[amaznmom2u]

3 hours ago, Cam said:

 

And this gives me hope that perhaps the time is coming that a documentary will be developed to describe and give insight into the true realities of the quiverfull (and similar) lifestyle. 

 

You know, we would be the perfect group to film such a doc. We have everyone here from LEO, to lawyers, to people in the psych field. All we need is a good narrator (I nominate Sir David Attenborough). 

Eta: and ex-fundies

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[Four is Enough]

Michelle may understand Josh exactly.. but she's still parroting that nonsense. She's culpable.

[carmenp97]

18 hours ago, Chickenbutt said:

I don't know where the court hearing documents are in this thread, but I think I remember the judge asking Mr. Reber if he was being compensated by JimBob to house Josh and he replied no. Maybe someone who has the documents saved can confirm that. I may be totally wrong. 

It’s very possible that Mr Reber was asked if he was going to be compensated and he said no, and also very possible that arrangement changed after he was asked. It’s also possible that the judge was inquiring with an understanding that Mr. Reber was being asked if he was going to be paid a fee that was above some sort of preset stipend to feed and house Josh. There may be some sort of acceptable stipend rate that the government has approved for basic boarding costs. I doubt highly anyone expects LaCount and his harem to feed and house Josh completely out of the goodness of their hearts 

20 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

I kind of imagined the Duggar boys building it (out of wood JB got cheap in some deal). 

Lumber is in short supply and hard to get right now due. No one is making the “fell off the back of a truck” kind of deals JB is used to on raw materials. This fence is going to cost a fortune. 

[AliceInFundyland]

Part of what made the Vow possible is that Mark Vincente and Sarah Edmondson had started recording everything related to their exit process. Vincente had been the camera guy/documentarian for years. And when they broke free, they weren't stupid about it.

I hope a truly IFB documentary will, for one thing, mention IFB, and Gothard. It
 needs to go deeper than the Duggars by so much.

[JenniferJuniper]

14 minutes ago, AliceInFundyland said:

Part of what made the Vow possible is that Mark Vincente and Sarah Edmondson had started recording everything related to their exit process. Vincente had been the camera guy/documentarian for years. And when they broke free, they weren't stupid about it.

I hope a truly IFB documentary will, for one thing, mention IFB, and Gothard. It
 needs to go deeper than the Duggars by so much.

Agree, and its becoming more the norm with documentaries.  When I was watching the Netflix doc about the guy in Colorado who killed his wife and little girls and dumped them in oil tanks, I remember being astounded watching him interact with the first cops on the scene through the body cam footage, including seeing him react to his neighbor's security footage.

Any in-depth documentary series would need to go back to the roots.  The Duggars would be the hook, but they aren't the story. Their sick cult and the damage it has done is the story.  I think the reason we haven't seen something like this before is the fear some may have of offending religious groups.  But there's nothing religious about these people, and the Duggars are proof of it.  That's just the cover for the patriarchy and the resulting abuses.  If this does happen, maybe we'll be able to thank slimy Smugs and his grotesque father for yanking open the floodgates. 

[EmmieJ]

I can't easily link (on my Kindle), but there is a blog/post on dailykos.com about Josh Duggar and his arrest, and the huge parenting fail by JB and Michele.  I found it well written.

[FiveAcres]

44 minutes ago, EmmieJ said:

I can't easily link (on my Kindle), but there is a blog/post on dailykos.com about Josh Duggar and his arrest, and the huge parenting fail by JB and Michele.  I found it well written.

I assume you mean this one? (I don't go to dailykos.com very often, but this is the most recent one that showed up when searched for Duggar.) 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/5/21/2031256/-Jim-Bob-and-Michelle-Duggar-may-have-put-Josh-on-a-path-to-prison

It was interesting that the writer of the DK story said that he had a girl friend who dumped him when he criticized the Duggars after the 2015 news that Josh had molesting five girls. I agree with the commenter who said the writer had a lucky break. 

[NancyDrewFan1989]

I'm just going to ask this question, but is anyone else questioning the legitimacy of Anna blaming Joe Biden for Josh's arrest news stories. I mean, the story originated from the looks of it The Sun, an unreliable tabloid to me, and now it seems to have blown out of proportion. I'm just asking because the original story that I read didn't seem credible and Anna has yet to comment on the matter. It just seems like the news took a story and ran with it. Yes, I do want to see Josh go down, but I don't believe there being "false news" (there is something I never expected to type) stories are going to help. 

[Cults-r-us]

1 hour ago, carmenp97 said:

It’s very possible that Mr Reber was asked if he was going to be compensated and he said no, and also very possible that arrangement changed after he was asked. It’s also possible that the judge was inquiring with an understanding that Mr. Reber was being asked if he was going to be paid a fee that was above some sort of preset stipend to feed and house Josh. There may be some sort of acceptable stipend rate that the government has approved for basic boarding costs. I doubt highly anyone expects LaCount and his harem to feed and house Josh completely out of the goodness of their hearts 

Lumber is in short supply and hard to get right now due. No one is making the “fell off the back of a truck” kind of deals JB is used to on raw materials. This fence is going to cost a fortune. 

Maybe the expensive privacy fence is Mr. Reber's payment.

[EmmieJ]

20 minutes ago, FiveAcres said:

I assume you mean this one? (I don't go to dailykos.com very often, but this is the most recent one that showed up when searched for Duggar.) 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/5/21/2031256/-Jim-Bob-and-Michelle-Duggar-may-have-put-Josh-on-a-path-to-prison

 

Yes, and thank you!

[Cam]

2 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

I'm calling it now.  HBO or Netflix is already fielding ideas for the six part documentary about the Quiverfull movement, and Josh and the Duggars will feature prominently.  And they'll get the full NXIVM treatment.  F'Amy is probably getting ready for her close up as I type. 

Six parts is way too long. Btw, I’ve already mentioned a documentary twice.

[kmachete14]

There's definitely a lot of interest from a critical standpoint (not the weirdo voyeur intrigue, Christian allowable TV, or  leghumping of the past) on TikTok and Instagram. Exfundie, exvangelical, and exemormon are all trending hashtags and topics. Many people are exposing their childhoods as being cultish, destructive, and scary. Most of them are formatted in sing-songy, meme-ish, or other trending forms as kind of a "humor to cope" scenario. Purity culture, Abeka, summer camps, modest fashion, the Pearls . . .all topics coming out.  I think Netflix/ HBO would have a large audience from the millennials and gen Zs. 

[Idlewild]

It’s also possible Mr Reber is a liar - I’m not going to assume honesty from a man who thinks Jim Bob is a great guy and ignores the welfare and well being of his wife and daughter to house a man accused of CSA with what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

[Dandruff]

If JB felt it appropriate to "out" Josh's molestations in the presence of their church family, and if molestations were/are as common as he indicated, then there's no telling what neighborly dirt these fine, upstanding church folk might be harboring for each other.  I'd expect them to close ranks and try to provide mutual support as best they could, in the hopes of promoting continued silence from within and preventing exposure from outside.  I don't believe for a moment that they'd put their so-called morality in front of their interests in maintaining their current lifestyles.  Financial compensation for the care and feeding of Josh may not be considered a high priority issue at the moment.

[AussieKrissy]

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You know, we would be the perfect group to film such a doc. We have everyone here from LEO, to lawyers, to people in the psych field. All we need is a good narrator (I nominate Sir David Attenborough). 

Eta: and ex-fundies

 

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For some reason I got a flash of woody harrelson lol as narrator. 

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[HerNameIsBuffy]

2 hours ago, NancyDrewFan1989 said:

I'm just going to ask this question, but is anyone else questioning the legitimacy of Anna blaming Joe Biden for Josh's arrest news stories. I mean, the story originated from the looks of it The Sun, an unreliable tabloid to me, and now it seems to have blown out of proportion. I'm just asking because the original story that I read didn't seem credible and Anna has yet to comment on the matter. It just seems like the news took a story and ran with it. Yes, I do want to see Josh go down, but I don't believe there being "false news" (there is something I never expected to type) stories are going to help. 

She hasn't released any statement to my knowledge, what are the odds the Sun and only the Sun would know what she's saying behind closed doors?

As long as that's the only source I assume it's fictional.

1 hour ago, Dandruff said:

If JB felt it appropriate to "out" Josh's molestations in the presence of their church family, and if molestations were/are as common as he indicated, then there's no telling what neighborly dirt these fine, upstanding church folk might be harboring for each other.  I'd expect them to close ranks and try to provide mutual support as best they could, in the hopes of promoting continued silence from within and preventing exposure from outside.  I don't believe for a moment that they'd put their so-called morality in front of their interests in maintaining their current lifestyles.  Financial compensation for the care and feeding of Josh may not be considered a high priority issue at the moment.

According to the former friend who did the AMA and podcast Josh had to admit to the porn, the molestations were known by some but not confessed to in front of the church body.  

[NancyDrewFan1989]

1 hour ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

She hasn't released any statement to my knowledge, what are the odds the Sun and only the Sun would know what she's saying behind closed doors?

As long as that's the only source I assume it's fictional.

I assume it is fictional as well. But, some other gossip sites are publishing articles saying the same thing due to The Sun's story. Anna hasn't given a statement to my knowledge either. I'm just surprised that there are some people and news sites who are taking The Sun's story seriously and rewriting their own articles about how Anna blames Joe Biden for Josh's arrest. 

3 hours ago, Idlewild said:

It’s also possible Mr Reber is a liar - I’m not going to assume honesty from a man who thinks Jim Bob is a great guy and ignores the welfare and well being of his wife and daughter to house a man accused of CSA with what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

Yes, it is very possible Mr. Reber is a liar. But, I do have a feeling that the Rebers had to get some form of clearance and approval from the State of Arkansas for Josh to live there. While they did testify at the trial, it wouldn't surprise me if they had a walk through with agents of some sort to prove that their home was a "suitable" place for Josh to crash while awaiting trial. Also, Josh is being monitored by GPS and he can't leave the residence except to see his lawyer, go to church, and doctor's appointments. Also, from the way it sounds, he and, probably the Rebers, have to notify someone for him leaving the residence for any of the above. So, while the Rebers could be liars, Josh (hopefully) is being closely tracked and setting one toe out of line would send him right back to jail, possibly, until his trial date. I don't think the Rebers would allow Josh to do so either as they signed off on a legal document saying that they would be held accountable for Josh stepping outside of his bail/bond agreement with the judge. If Josh does step a toe out of line, then the Rebers could face a fine and charge for "allowing" him to do so. 

3 hours ago, Cam said:

Six parts is way too long. Btw, I’ve already mentioned a documentary twice.

I don't think six parts would be too long depending how the production company would spin it. The deeper they go into the cult of IBLP the more exposed they will be. The Duggars opened the IBLP doors to the world and now they may help it crash and burn. 

[NancyDrewFan1989]

6 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

I'm calling it now.  HBO or Netflix is already fielding ideas for the six part documentary about the Quiverfull movement, and Josh and the Duggars will feature prominently.  And they'll get the full NXIVM treatment.  F'Amy is probably getting ready for her close up as I type. 

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens sometime next year. I can see Amy doing what she can to get on the documentary in some twisted way to reboot her, now dead, singing career. Also, I can see Jill and Derrick attempting to participate. Those two would be a shoe in if they want to as they are fresh out and Derrick doesn't seem to have a problem from holding back about criticizing his in-laws. Plus, I keep seeing speculation articles about Josiah and Lauren starting to distance themselves and follow in Jill and Derrick's footsteps. If HBO, Netflix, Amazon, and/or Hulu wants to do a documentary exposing IBLP, then I don't think they will have a tough time finding former members, especially celebrities, who are willing to participate. 

Here is a Josiah and Lauren article I found: https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/duggar-news-viewers-convinced-drama-lauren-duggar-family.html/ Time will tell about Si and Lauren though. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

3 minutes ago, NancyDrewFan1989 said:

Josiah and Lauren starting to distance themselves and follow in Jill and Derrick's footsteps.

Is he not still working for JB?  Are they financially independent?

[NancyDrewFan1989]

Just now, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Is he not still working for JB?  Are they financially independent?

I am not sure. As I said I keep finding articles about fans speculating about Josiah and Lauren starting to distance themselves. Time will tell with them. Josiah did work with Josh at the car lot and on reddit there are a few rumors that Josh is trying to pin this whole thing on Josiah. Like I said these are rumors. We probably won't know what Josiah and Lauren choose to do for a few months. 

[JenniferJuniper]

4 hours ago, Cam said:

Six parts is way too long. Btw, I’ve already mentioned a documentary twice.

My deepest apologies.  Please forgive me; it's been a fast moving thread and sometimes I miss your posts. 

Nevertheless, I think six parts will probably still just scratch the surface of the whole story.   There's been 10 years of discussion of their awful movement at this domain alone.

[Heidijoey]

There is a documentary on Amazon Prime called "A Courtship" that was pretty interesting.   Even knowing how families like the Duggars and Bates operate when it comes to courtships and dating it was still pretty eye opening.  The girl who the documentary about left her family as an adult and took on a spiritual family for them to find her a husband.  In the meantime she acts as Cinderella.  Its worth the watch if you have time.  

[EmCatlyn]

6 hours ago, carmenp97 said:

It’s very possible that Mr Reber was asked if he was going to be compensated and he said no, and also very possible that arrangement changed after he was asked. It’s also possible that the judge was inquiring with an understanding that Mr. Reber was being asked if he was going to be paid a fee that was above some sort of preset stipend to feed and house Josh. There may be some sort of acceptable stipend rate that the government has approved for basic boarding costs. I doubt highly anyone expects LaCount and his harem to feed and house Josh completely out of the goodness of their hearts 

Lumber is in short supply and hard to get right now due. No one is making the “fell off the back of a truck” kind of deals JB is used to on raw materials. This fence is going to cost a fortune. 

Parts of my own back fence are rotting.   We will probably replace the whole thing with some fake wood that is supposed to be low maintenance.  So maybe JB can buy the discarded wood from fences like mine (the bits that are not rotting). ? 

[luv2laugh]

Ex IBLP members might get more attention than ex Mormons do because the LDS have a large source of funding behind them, second only to Catholics, I believe. I’m kind of surprised it didn’t get the spotlight in 2015 when Joshgate 1 happened. I wonder if the media has contacted Jill yet for interest.  If Oprah ever reached out, I could see Derick strongly “encouraging” Jill to take an interview.

If Josh’s case goes to trial, I can see there being more attention on IBLP.

Edited May 22, 2021 by luv2laugh