[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh&Anna 28:Does anyone wonder how many times JB has phoned up Mike Huckabee?

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Given he molested his own sisters, I wouldn’t be so sure he’d be allowed around his own children.

It’s possible that the kids are being/have been interviewed and that if their responses satisfy the court (if the conclusion is the children haven’t been molested in any way), then he might be allowed to go home.  Conversely, if there is a suggestion of possible abuse, there would be another investigation (this time by the state) and a different case.

I am not well-versed in these things, but it seems logical.

BTW — Don’t you just see this latest Josh scandal as an inspiration for a new Law and Order SVU episode?  I see writers working on it right now.?

[HeartsAFundie]

1 minute ago, Rachel333 said:

The document made it sound like that's what the judge recommended but that the actual terms will be set tomorrow.

Thank you.  Let's all hope the actual terms are identical to what the original document said.    

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

10 hours ago, Lgirlrocks said:

Also Jill was the poster child for them. Until she married she did everything her parents asked and more. Her siblings loved her and she loved kids. She seemed to do what her parents asked without question. She was the one that no one thought would ever wear pants, get a nose ring, send her kids to school, and not be quiverful. She was the snitch. 

In the beginning she might have genuinely believed and behaved that way out of obedience, in the later years she may have been smart enough to realize that if she doesn’t make waves and follow all the rules, life is better for her? I spent some years in a very religious high school, and while in the beginning I still believed and was genuine, at some point I changed but didn’t alter my public behavior. I received compliments and was seen as the model student (religious wise). I just knew that by coasting through and not rebelling I could get away with so much more while there. Once out I dropped most of it and went on with my life. The rebellious people had a much harder time.

5 minutes ago, HeartsAFundie said:

Thank you.  Let's all hope the actual terms are identical to what the original document said.    

Or stricter after the interviews!

[nausicaa]

24 minutes ago, WarriorJane said:

And yes, it will be crazy expensive. 

How long could this thing drag on for? I wonder at what amount JB would max out on paying for all of this. I mean, this is a multiyear investigation by the Feds. I'm sure they have a strong case. 

I do wonder which angle they will push harder: that there is no evidence of Josh actually molesting a child so his sentence should be lighter, versus it wasn't even his in the first place and someone else downloaded it to the computer. (However, it looks like downloading the CSA went on over a period of time and so the Feds likely have some decent forensics to prove the latter isn't true.)

 

2 hours ago, HarryPotterFan said:

And I can see Anna believing him. Because not believing him is too horrifying. 

Definitely. I can already see and hear her in her talking head. "Well, Joshua was sadly accused of something terrible that another employee had actually done. He has stood so strongly in the Lord in this difficult time and it helps me be strong. We just pray to the Lord that He will allow the truth to come out and Joshua can be back home with our family where he belongs."

[OrchidBlossom]

2 minutes ago, nausicaa said:

How long could this thing drag on for? I wonder at what amount JB would max out on paying for all of this. I mean, this is a multiyear investigation by the Feds. I'm sure they have a strong case. 

I do wonder which angle they will push harder: that there is no evidence of Josh actually molesting a child so his sentence should be lighter, versus it wasn't even his in the first place and someone else downloaded it to the computer. (However, it looks like downloading the CSA went on over a period of time and so the Feds likely have some decent forensics to prove the latter isn't true.)

 

Ugh you know that's too likely. "I didn't do it, but if I did do it, it wasn't that bad anyway" ?

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Yes, he was told many things as a child.  We were all told many things as children and we're still responsible for our behavior as adults.

The vasectomy was an aside about how he had agency and while choosing not to get help he also choose to keep having children.  No one was saying that would stop his pedophilia.  

Yeah, but my point is that I don’t see why he would want to have a vasectomy, while I can see why he damn well should want to get help for his pedophiliac proclivities.  He knows he is doing wrong watching child porn.  I don’t think he has the faintest idea that fathering  6, 7, 8... children is bad. (On the contrary.  He might fantasize having 20 and be disappointed that Ana doesn’t seem to have twins.) 

Anyway, the “aside” made no sense to me. ??‍♀️

[OrchidBlossom]

I messaged a techy friend of mine a question about the dark web and he responded "is this about the Dogoons?" but he was like dead serious, he thought that was their name.

[NancyDrewFan1989]

On 5/3/2021 at 8:29 PM, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Nothing, yes, yes, and I don't know.

I take the thread title from a post in the previous thread that I find amusing.  The thought of JB hounding Huckabee and for no reason would be funny and it's not unlikely.  He's probably calling all of his connections to try to get a backway out of this for Smuggar.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Duggars are going to Huckabee for assistance. But, from the way it looks like, Huckabee and all their other fundie conservative political friends like Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum have cut them off. If they do get through to any of them, then I don't see them helping because I don't foresee them wanting to be embroiled in a child porn scandal that involves a conservative Christian reality star who already has a history of sex abuse scandals. 

[So-Virgin-It-Hurts]

I sort of wish I could phone Jim Bob and say, "Sin in the camp! Sin in the camp!"

[NancyDrewFan1989]

10 minutes ago, nausicaa said:

How long could this thing drag on for? I wonder at what amount JB would max out on paying for all of this. I mean, this is a multiyear investigation by the Feds. I'm sure they have a strong case. 

JB has probably already maxed out paying for Josh. The guy, outside of a running a used car lot, is practically unemployable. From the way it sounds JB footed the bill for Josh to go to Christian rehab years ago and, probably, is covering most of the legal fees stemming from the real estate scandal (the one where Josh apparently sold someone's land without telling them. It was supposed to go to trial either late last year or early this year). There is only so much JB can cover for Josh and I can't see him (JB) covering much more. I mean, there is only so much Josh can use his fathers power and money before JB cuts the cord and says that's it. 

[Giraffe]

21 minutes ago, nausicaa said:

Definitely. I can already see and hear [Anna} in her talking head. "Well, Joshua was sadly accused of something terrible that another employee had actually done. He has stood so strongly in the Lord in this difficult time and it helps me be strong. We just pray to the Lord that He will allow the truth to come out and Joshua can be back home with our family where he belongs."

This is what enrages me the most about Josh being arrested. It's that your description is 100% what I'm expecting from her. 

[NancyDrewFan1989]

19 minutes ago, nausicaa said:

Definitely. I can already see and hear her in her talking head. "Well, Joshua was sadly accused of something terrible that another employee had actually done. He has stood so strongly in the Lord in this difficult time and it helps me be strong. We just pray to the Lord that He will allow the truth to come out and Joshua can be back home with our family where he belongs."

Out of complete curiosity what person would actually want to have Josh Duggar as a boss, especially, after he got exposed for molesting four of his sisters and a babysitter and suffered no legal consequences because his parents covered it up? What person actually thinks any good would come from working for him outside the Duggar family? From the outside it looks like Anna is standing by Josh, but we haven't heard anything yet as she may be processing all of this. I don't think she would've announced she was expecting their seventh if she knew this was coming down. Anna may be completely brainwashed, but I think she has a somewhat good idea on how serious the crime is and how it affects everyone around her. The woman is in for a brutal rude awakening that she is far from prepared for. 

[RainbowSky]

41 minutes ago, meep said:

"to care for his pregnant wife" - doesn't this family constantly argue and scream and cry over the fact that a fetus is a CHILD??? It's like by this request they are admitting the fetus in not yet in fact a child. Ohhhh the irony. 

I don't think so. I find it amusing that he's trying to say that he'd do Jack to "care for"  Anna though. 

[JenniferJuniper]

51 minutes ago, OrchidBlossom said:

He claims that he's been in contact and cooperation with the feds since 2019. Which means that he's almost certainly told them his "an employee did it" bullshit and they still had enough evidence to move forward. IMO, it isn't looking great for him but its hard to say before the trial starts.

I guess the elusive employee must have had this day off:

[luv2laugh]

On 5/3/2021 at 7:10 PM, HerNameIsBuffy said:

ETA I know Huckabee can't help him in a federal case.  It was a one liner from the last thread, that's all.

Continued from here...

 

Thanks @luv2laugh for the thread title.

I just noticed what I said made the title of the thread and I am laughing so hard! LOL

[OrchidBlossom]

5 minutes ago, JenniferJuniper said:

I guess the elusive employee must have had this day off:

I'd guess that employee had, well, every day off.

[luv2laugh]

3 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Any legal eagles want to take a guess at what this defense will cost them?  A quick google says the first Menendez trial racked up $1.9 mil in legal fees back then.  

I'm trying to imagine what it could cost. I'm thinking $500k at minimum? I think he will never plea guilty.

[OrchidBlossom]

Just now, luv2laugh said:

I'm trying to imagine what it could cost. I'm thinking $500k at minimum? I think he will never plea guilty.

If they are paying an attorney $500,000 and they fail to convince him to plead guilty they're paying him $500,000 too much.

[JenniferJuniper]

3 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

I'm trying to imagine what it could cost. I'm thinking $500k at minimum? I think he will never plea guilty.

He'll plead guilty.  Sooner or later.

I could be off by quite a bit, but according to another family member, my BIL's wife's costs were about 250k before she realized she needed to plead guilty before a deal was off the table.  She had a really experienced (and expensive) federal defense attorney, but at the end of day I'm not sure he helped her much more than a less experienced, less expensive attorney could have. 

I hope Josh fights until JB is flat broke, but I just can't see the Boober going for it when push comes to shove. 

[Dandruff]

If Josh gets out on bail then wouldn't the Duggars want the case to drag on for as long as possible?  In the meantime, I can imagine them:

- extolling Josh's exemplary behavior, from 2019 until he was let out on bail, and since he was let out on bail;

- trying to get back on TV;

- donating money to programs that support endangered children;

- watching the outcomes of other CP cases that may be associated with Josh's;

- publishing another book about the family, for $$s and to further help control the narrative; and

- generally hoping that the public's memory is as short as usual while using all the PR skills they've got to minimize backlash.

Even if Josh ends up in prison down the road, I could see them spinning it as Josh accepting a plea (lesser time against the risk of a long sentence) for the sake of his beloved family.

[So-Virgin-It-Hurts]

Anyone know the time of the bail hearing tomorrow?

[Expectopatronus]

I don’t know American law at all so my apologies if this is a stupid question: could Josh not be found guilty even he didn’t know the CP was part of a file he downloaded? The charge is possession of and receiving CP not willfully possessing and receiving CP. 

I had a student a few years back turn in her school laptop because she had lent it out to an acquaintance she didn’t know well and they had downloaded porn. Not kiddie, thankfully. She was horrified, turned it in and cooperated with police when they investigated to make sure the women were 18. 
It can happen but given that Josh is an adult, I hope he would be smart enough to not give out passwords etc.

 

Edited May 5, 2021 by Expectopatronus

[feministxtian]

6 minutes ago, So-Virgin-It-Hurts said:

Anyone know the time of the bail hearing tomorrow?

1:30pm cst

[FiveAcres]

20 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

If Josh gets out on bail then wouldn't the Duggars want the case to drag on for as long as possible?  In the meantime, I can imagine them:

- extolling Josh's exemplary behavior, from 2019 until he was let out on bail, and since he was let out on bail;

- trying to get back on TV;

- donating money to programs that support endangered children;

- watching the outcomes of other CP cases that may be associated with Josh's;

- publishing another book about the family, for $$s and to further help control the narrative; and

- generally hoping that the public's memory is as short as usual while using all the PR skills they've got to minimize backlash.

Even if Josh ends up in prison down the road, I could see them spinning it as Josh accepting a plea (lesser time against the risk of a long sentence) for the sake of his beloved family.

With all the speculation about the current TLC contract with Jim Bob, I would expect that TLC has been leery about long time commitments with Jim Bob since the 2019 raid. 

By the way: cursed be the first person who recommend Dr Grande on this thread. And additional curses to those who seconded the recommendation. I think I have found a rabbit hole where the rescue ferrets wont be able to find me. And I don't even LIKE true crime. 

15 minutes ago, So-Virgin-It-Hurts said:

Anyone know the time of the bail hearing tomorrow?

I haven't seen any time more specific than afternoon.

[meep]

I don't think we will see the Duggars cleaning up their image by donating to CSA victims. Instead, (and I'm basing this off of Jessa's statement), I could see them more likely doubling down on "p*rn is a great evil and made Josh do this." They will dig their own graves and start a big campaign against even the most traditional, vanilla p*rn. They will totally ignore the fact that is was CSA. I do not think they are capable of facing this in a truthful matter. They literally don't know how.