Alyssa & John 6: She's Raising Sister Moms

[HeartsAFundie]

10 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

I grew up Catholic. I've never been to a mass like this, but I'm not sure there aren't Catholic priests who preach like this.  Quite a few priests like to get political. For example right now some of them are questioning Biden's faith. 

At a Catholic church I happily attended for almost a decade, we got a new priest in 2014.  I was excited and hopeful that things would become a bit more progressive as this priest was born in 1980, was from our area so he knew the demographics, and only 34 years old when he came to our parish.  Boy, was I wrong.  Not only did this guy double down on everything that was pre-Vatican II-saying Mass in Latin with his back to the congregation; wearing old-school vestments in church and in public, complete with a white and black hat that made him look like a cross between a creepy court jester and a deranged Steak 'n Shake employee; strongly suggesting women begin covering their heads again in church and people should dress up for church, basically implementing a dress code; and no longer allowing female altar servers-he idolized Trump and took every advantage on social media to extol the virtues of a pro-life president.  Never mind that Trump had been divorced twice, which is on par with abortion in the eyes of the church.

I put up with the hypocrisy on the grounds that I was a loyal parishioner, was there before him and would be there after he was gone.  Then I made the fateful decision on social media to call the priest out because the week after the shooting at Pulse in Orlando, he never once mentioned the incident nor the casualties in our Prayer of the Faithful.  I knew damn well why not  (Pulse was a gay nightclub) and I shadily posted about it.   I received a lengthy private message from him.  The gist of it was him accusing me of calling him a hypocrite and that I was unchristian, and of course I was immediately unfriended by him.  After reading his message I was done.    I didn't attend church for over a year and a half because of him.  I  showed his message to a Methodist minister acquaintance of mine and he was as disgusted as me.

I returned to another church the Christmas Eve after my mom died in December 2017 and met a priest who is the complete opposite of the idiot I dealt with before-he welcomes all to the church with no judgment ("You belong here, no matter what you have heard"), has no problem with female altar servers, including transgendered ones; wears modern vestments; takes people as they find them and doesn't care what they wear; was instrumental and nonjudgmental in helping my sister and her new husband get annulments and remarried in the Catholic Church; and is definitely a human first; when I told him about my experience at my prior parish the first words out of my new priest's mouth were "He's an asshole".   I would lay odds he's ridin' with Biden.    

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by HeartsAFundie

[formergothardite]

5 hours ago, Tangy Bee said:

Did he mention any scripture at all?? That didn't sound like a regular sermon. Sounded like a political rant. He was probably kissing up to John's father who was probably part of the congregation. Webster is like the Jesse Helms of FL. They will never get rid of him.

It was very much a political rant. Alyssa advertised it as teaching how Christians should respond to politics. 

The verses used are:

Genesis 2:7

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And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Psalms 100.3

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Know that the Lord, He is God;
It is He who has made us, and [a]not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.

Job 33.4

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The Spirit of God has made me,
And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Exodus 23:26

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No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.

Genesis 9:6

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Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.

Romans 13:4

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For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

Psalm 139:13

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For You formed my inward parts;
You [a]covered me in my mother’s womb.

1 Peter 2.2

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as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow [a]thereby,

2 Timothy 3:15

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and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Luke 2:7

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And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a [a]manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

 I might have missed a couple. There is no context to any of these verse. There is no reading passages or looking into who wrote this or what time period it was written in, it is just pulling random verses from random places and claiming they prove what he is saying. 

[Audrey2]

This is why I prefer to worship at a church that uses the lectionary, or a series of Bible readings that covers most of the Bible in a 3 or 4 year period, as opposed to the churches where the pastor preaches on whatever he (most of the time a he) is "led" to preach on, which happens to be long series on 4-6 topics. I like churches where most of the sermons come from the Gospels, even the passages that are tough to talk about, instead of sermons heavily based on Paul's biases.

[nausicaa]

13 hours ago, SorenaJ said:

Ah yes, because Trump is the most faithful of them all. 

He's just a baby Christian so we have to cut him some slack! He's like King David!

(Unlike Biden who can never be forgiven in any context for disagreeing with evangelicals on one issue, despite having been a never divorced practicing Catholic his entire life.)

[formergothardite]

9 hours ago, Audrey2 said:

This is why I prefer to worship at a church that uses the lectionary, or a series of Bible readings that covers most of the Bible in a 3 or 4 year period, as opposed to the churches where the pastor preaches on whatever he (most of the time a he) is "led" to preach on, which happens to be long series on 4-6 topics.

I feel like it would be a lot harder to come up with  topic and then claim there are bunches of verses to support what the pastor is saying if the pastor has to stick to using an entire passage of the Bible instead of just being able to pull verses from lots of places without context. 

Exodus 23:26 in context is part of a passage that says that God was sending an angel before them to bring them to their promised land and not to provoke the angel. If they obeyed they would reach the promised land and life will improve for them, verse 26 is just one of the verses saying all the good things that will happen if they listen to the angel. 

Alyssa's pastor doesn't give that context at all. He claims the verse says God is the taker of life, and that it is wrong for any individual to take their own life or the life of another. 

 

[Angelface]

On her IG, Alyssa has posted pictures of Allie and Lexi “doing school”. It is so sad to see these little girls doing worksheets, listening to recorded lessons etc but all on their own. Such a lonely experience when they could be mixing with other children, learning through play and learning to socialise. Why are fundies so fearful and so weak in their faith that they are unable to allow real school for their children? If they really believe all that they profess surely they should be strong enough in their beliefs to withstand the modern equivalent of “the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” and stay on their interpretation of “the straight and narrow”. It truly baffles me that they are incapable of interacting with the world whilst not being of the world and, to me, their beliefs seem so fragile as if unable to withstand secular logic. 

[ophelia]

They could at least consider a Christian school so that the girls would have a chance for social interaction. Although I could really see that happening in the future since Alyssa seems to hate homeschooling.

[formergothardite]

Her pastor really seems to push the idea that children need to be kept from anything "worldly" because if they are exposed they are going to leave the faith. While she might eventually cave and go to a Christian school, I also think she is right now living in an environment where her head is being filled with all sorts of stories about the awful things that will happen if she doesn't "protect" her children and how it will be going against God to expose her kids to anything outside their little bubble. It seems she views propping them in front of a screen to watch a classroom as a way to teach them while not having to teach them while also keeping them safe at home. 

[BeccaGrim]

Well to be fair a whole lot of kids (including my own) are for the first time ever doing school from home because our Covid numbers are still so high. LOL. Alyssa's kids won't go back though and mine will...

[nausicaa]

8 hours ago, BeccaGrim said:

Well to be fair a whole lot of kids (including my own) are for the first time ever doing school from home because our Covid numbers are still so high. LOL. Alyssa's kids won't go back though and mine will...

Considering she doesn't have to also hold down an income earning job, she could also make it you know...fun and hands on.

I don't have an issue with homeschooling--or the people who have to leave their kids in front of the computer right now while they work from home. But Alyssa considers it her job to be a homeschooling SAHM, so she should actually try and do a good job with hands on crafts and activities and giving her children individualized attention. 

[JordynDarby5]

5 minutes ago, nausicaa said:

Considering she doesn't have to also hold down an income earning job, she could also make it you know...fun and hands on.

I don't have an issue with homeschooling--or the people who have to leave their kids in front of the computer right now while they work from home. But Alyssa considers it her job to be a homeschooling SAHM, so she should actually try and do a good job with hands on crafts and activities and giving her children individualized attention. 

I agree. Its her job to home school. But all she does is sit them in front of the TV or listening to recorded lessons. That's it. That's a crappy excuse for homeschooling. Crafts would be fun and they could learn things. Make the lessons fun. But she doesn't. And what exactly is she doing while their having their boring lessons? 

[EmiSue]

I'm homeschooling my kindergartener this year because of the pandemic and I'm by no means "good" at it, but we try. We read a lot, we do workbooks that have fun illustrations, we do a Zoom art class weekly with a friend of mine who's an art teacher, and we do hands-on things like nature walks educational board games. I know Alyssa's pregnant and all, but since this is her long-term plan she needs more than videos. 

[llucie]

Just watched her new youtube video. A brief recap if someone is interested and doesnt want to watch it: She mentions she used to take her sister Addallee, who wears hearing aids,  to her audiologist apointments (of course she did and not mother of the year Kelly). For that reason she was more aware of clues of hearing loss and how important it is an early intervention. She noticed instances when Allie doesnt seem to hear well. They took her to the audiologist. They said she has a minor hearing loss in one ear, but so minor they actually dont think it is necessary to do anything about it. They need to bring Allie in a year again to check if it got better.

 

[Bluebirdbluebell]

Congressman Dan Webster, John's father, is extremely in favor of homeschooling politically. So that's another reason to keep homeschooling. 

[ophelia]

6 hours ago, llucie said:

Just watched her new youtube video. A brief recap if someone is interested and doesnt want to watch it: She mentions she used to take her sister Addallee, who wears hearing aids,  to her audiologist apointments (of course she did and not mother of the year Kelly). For that reason she was more aware of clues of hearing loss and how important it is an early intervention. She noticed instances when Allie doesnt seem to hear well. They took her to the audiologist. They said she has a minor hearing loss in one ear, but so minor they actually dont think it is necessary to do anything about it. They need to bring Allie in a year again to check if it got better.

 

I'm glad that they took Allie to see an audiologist and seem to take that serious. Poor Addie though - the Bateses house was always described as a really loud and chaotic place. It must be hard to live there with an hearing impairment.

[AussieKrissy]

8 hours ago, llucie said:

Just watched her new youtube video. A brief recap if someone is interested and doesnt want to watch it: She mentions she used to take her sister Addallee, who wears hearing aids,  to her audiologist apointments (of course she did and not mother of the year Kelly). For that reason she was more aware of clues of hearing loss and how important it is an early intervention. She noticed instances when Allie doesnt seem to hear well. They took her to the audiologist. They said she has a minor hearing loss in one ear, but so minor they actually dont think it is necessary to do anything about it. They need to bring Allie in a year again to check if it got better.

 

Finally a benefit of elder Bates crappy parenting. Alyssa did actually learn something that could/did benefit her child. I mean Allie is all good, but had she not of been, at least Alyssa was on it. Bout the only thing I can see is on the ball with. 

2 hours ago, ophelia said:

I'm glad that they took Allie to see an audiologist and seem to take that serious. Poor Addie though - the Bateses house was always described as a really loud and chaotic place. It must be hard to live there with an hearing impairment.

I hope she could turn them off and get some peace. My nephew has cochlear implant. Took them off and slept great... lol

[JMO]

Alyssa also posted about taking at least one of the girls to a chiropractor.  I never understood the supposed benefits of taking young children to get adjusted.  I think it was Zoey that was pictured.

[freethemall]

4 hours ago, JMO said:

Alyssa also posted about taking at least one of the girls to a chiropractor.  I never understood the supposed benefits of taking young children to get adjusted.  I think it was Zoey that was pictured.

It's supposed to help with sleep issues, ear infections, other stuff for kids.

[Lgirlrocks]

I wish Alyssa would at least to co op with her kids. I hated being home schooled. My last year being home schooled, 8th grade, my mom enrolled us in a co op. I loved it. Felt like I was in real school. All the home school parents pitched in. It was only once a week but so much fun. 

[Melissa1977]

Can Allie have minor hearing issues due to the prolongate use of headphones for "school"?

Their cute clasroom depresses me. Nothing looks like a primary school there. The tables facing a wall, the headphones... It's a room for a college student!

[SorenaJ]

I just saw the picture of Allie's classroom, and just. No. She can't reach the floor! Is she going to sit on a chair all day without being able to reach the floor? What the heck! 

I seriously hope poor Allie is not a kinaesthetic or tactile learner, because then she is going to have a miserable time the next 13 years with that bullshit curriculum. 

Also why are they schooling Lexi? She is 3! 3-year olds should not be schooled at all. They should be out making mudcakes and climbing trees, not stuck in a literally colourless room without being able to reach the floor! 

Free those poor girls. That just broke my heart. 

[formergothardite]

Part 3 of how Christians should handle politics.

Before the service there is a children's choir. It doesn't look like Alyssa's children are a part of it, but maybe they are too young? One of the children is wearing a mask, the rest are right on top of each other with no masks. 

The pastor starts off by telling everyone to grab their hymnals. He goes into a rant about how he doesn't want people fall into singing like it is just repetition. He wants it to be real, authentic. God deserves their best. If they fall into a rut there is just no point. Since they just got finished singing a bunch of hymns this seems a bit on the passive aggressive side. 

The greatest need of our nation right now is for Christians to stand up for what they believe. I'm assuming he doesn't mean standing up against a president who pays off a porn star or takes the Lord's name in vain on a regular basis. 

There are so many people standing in vocal opposition to God that Christians need to stand for Jesus. This pastor really does live in an alternative world. He is going to read a hymn now and at the last verse people need to stand up for Jesus, hopefully with a different attitude than if they had just sung the song a normal way. The hymn is Stand Up, Stand Up For Jesus. 

It takes him forever to read this since he keeps stopping to rant. Christians are soldier. Got to remember they are soldiers for Jesus. Got to go out there and act like soldiers. He is just so looking forward to the day when his foes are all destroyed. Put on the armor of God because this is a battle and they are soldiers. 

They sing the hymn and they are finally done with this. He tells people just imagine what heaven is going to be like.

He claims that it used to be that people always looked to the church for answers when there were problems. That this is the first time in our nation that political leaders wouldn't turn to the church for answers. That is literally not true at all, but he is concocting an entirely fictional world and these people are believing it is reality. He weirdly claims that going all the way back to the Old Testament people would turn to God's word, which he seems to be meaning the Bible. His words are "They would turn to the truth of the Bible."  Does he think that they were carting around a KJV Bible back then? 

He is very frustrated that no longer does the government look to the church for answers. He goes into another rant and it really seems like he is pissed off about losing power. That he wants churches(the right kind of churches) to have control over the government. He claims there are way too many churches that don't teach what is right. Churches are compromising. Still assuming he isn't meaning compromising their morals by backing a guy who is on his third wife and lies non-stop. Think he is meaning the be nice to gay people sort of churches. 

He is reviewing the last two weeks now so I'm going to skip forward.

We are 43 minutes into the service and he is just now saying that he is going to get into the sermon soon.  

He wants people to think of a secular world view and then the biblical world view. He gives them the answers, apparently he doesn't trust people to come up with their own versions of secular and biblical world views. 

Secular world view - no God. Biblical world view - there is a God. This shows these views directly oppose each other. 

Secular world view - God didn't create man Biblical world view - God did create man. 

Secular world view - evolution . Biblical world view - God created everything. 

Secular world view - humans can do whatever they want. Biblical world view - must obey the Bible. 

Secular world view - there is no right and wrong. Biblical world view - God is narrow minded(not a good selling point)

Secular world view - men get to determine what is right Biblical world view - man can discover what God says is right. 

The world claims that Christians are intolerant. But basically be proud of being intolerant. 

And we are now finally getting to the actual sermon. I'm going to come back to the sermon, possibly another day, because it looks like I got a good bit of this service left. For those interested in Bible verses, none have been mentioned so far. At home at least I can take breaks, I can't even imagine sitting through this or having children sit through this like Alyssa said her kids do(did?). 

 

[lumpentheologie]

I'm shocked and horrified at the way Alyssa is teasing Allie's hearing loss for clicks.  I mean I guess this is the Bates family we're talking about, but it's such a violation of Allie's privacy. Health details are private until the person who has them chooses to share. God knows what Allie will think about this (and whatever other personal details her mother spills to the public) when she's an adult. She's a person, not a zoo exhibit. 

 

[indianabones]

3 hours ago, lumpentheologie said:

I'm shocked and horrified at the way Alyssa is teasing Allie's hearing loss for clicks.  I mean I guess this is the Bates family we're talking about, but it's such a violation of Allie's privacy. Health details are private until the person who has them chooses to share. God knows what Allie will think about this (and whatever other personal details her mother spills to the public) when she's an adult. She's a person, not a zoo exhibit. 

 

I guess growing up with an exploited childhood/adolescence normalizes doing it to your own children for some people.

One of the things that really bugs me about Alyssa's videos (that people have discussed on here before) is that I've never seen her children eating fresh fruit or vegetables. She'll serve them a grilled cheese and doritos for lunch. In that video she made them cinnamon rolls from a can for breakfast. When they want a snack, they get offered junk food. How hard is it to buy baby carrots or cherry tomatoes or berries or a banana for your kids to snack on? They obviously have access to a grocery store that sells produce, and Alyssa and John even grew some vegetables in their yard this summer. I wonder what her pediatrician has said to her about the kids' diets?

[Jackie3]

13 hours ago, SorenaJ said:

I just saw the picture of Allie's classroom, and just. No. She can't reach the floor! Is she going to sit on a chair all day without being able to reach the floor? What the heck! 

I seriously hope poor Allie is not a kinaesthetic or tactile learner, because then she is going to have a miserable time the next 13 years with that bullshit curriculum. 

Also why are they schooling Lexi? She is 3! 3-year olds should not be schooled at all. They should be out making mudcakes and climbing trees, not stuck in a literally colourless room without being able to reach the floor! 

Free those poor girls. That just broke my heart. 

She is also schooling 2-year old Zoey. She has a little cubicle and a computer with headset, too.