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John Shrader 17: Boring Poems and I know it was you, Fredo

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Petronella
10 hours ago, formergothardite said:

 That video of them singing with hand motions gave me flashbacks to my teen years having to do that and hating it. 

I resolved as an adult that I’m done with hand motions. I won’t do ‘em, can’t make me.

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Palimpsest
2 hours ago, Petronella said:

I resolved as an adult that I’m done with hand motions. I won’t do ‘em, can’t make me.

I don't think those are mere hand motions.  It looks like bad ASL.

Zambian Sign Language is not necessarily the same as ASL.  Just saying.

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Howl
14 hours ago, Carol said:

Sounds like Bro John has a huge man-crush on Bro Ted!

Should we be worried?? 🤔

The whole "lying on a concrete floor praying together" thing has me a little concerned, mainly because it's so over the top. 

Has Bro. Ted out-Shradered Bro John? 

Bro. Ted is significant because he seems to be one of the few people (or the only person) that John considers to be a theologically pure peer.  

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Lillymuffin
On 5/20/2019 at 6:19 AM, Palimpsest said:

I don't think those are mere hand motions.  It looks like bad ASL.

Zambian Sign Language is not necessarily the same as ASL.  Just saying.

Those are (basically, sloppily) the ASL lyrics to Jesus Loves Me. I wondered why they were teaching them to Zambian children, too. 

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45 minutes ago, Lillymuffin said:

Those are (basically, sloppily) the ASL lyrics to Jesus Loves Me. I wondered why they were teaching them to Zambian children, too. 

They probably call this "ministering to the Deaf" because Esther knows the ASL signs for "Yes", "Bible" and "love."  This is what it is supposed to look like when done properly. 

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And, Johnny, we are still awaiting photos of the 50!!!111!!! men you got at your conference.  Surely Enoch or Timothy could have taken a couple of pictures of the vast crowd.

Pictures or it didn't happen.  :penguin-no:

 

 

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formergothardite

I would be surprised if the children were deaf. 

3 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

And, Johnny, we are still awaiting photos of the 50!!!111!!! men you got at your conference.  Surely Enoch or Timothy could have taken a couple of pictures of the vast crowd.

Bro. Ted's pictures did not show 50 men! I suspect John might be stretching the truth. 

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Embellishing for Jesus. What a noble and dignified way to live. 

If we can spot these lies so easily I don’t understand how people can still support him financially. 

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59 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

I would be surprised if the children were deaf. 

Bro. Ted's pictures did not show 50 men! I suspect John might be stretching the truth. 

I'd put money on them not being Deaf but the humpers don't know that.

John doesn't merely stretch the truth.  He twists and yanks it until it screams.  We have caught him in so many lies.

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On 5/20/2019 at 12:35 PM, Howl said:

 

Bro. Ted is significant because he seems to be one of the few people (or the only person) that John considers to be a theologically pure peer.  

For now... I’ve run in to lots of Christians who fall out on doctrine and leGalism... some people, and John is one of them, cannot help themselves but to look for differences that make them look better, more Christian, more holy, etc... 

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And don't forget that John and Rea had a positive Biblically Correct Bromance until they fell out.  He gets crushes quite frequently, but as soon as a Bro. sees through him and tells him off they become the Wrong Sort of Baptist,

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formergothardite

Speaking of Rea, he is back in America for a bit. His 17 year old will be leaving Zambia to stay in America to go to Bible college. Rea went knocking on doors in Salem, Oregon and claims he found people who had never heard about salvation. I think those people were mocking him. He has six faithful men who can preach while he is in America. 

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Georgiana

John "Cotton Hill" Shrader: he saved fiddy men!

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DarkAnts
6 hours ago, formergothardite said:

Speaking of Rea, he is back in America for a bit. His 17 year old will be leaving Zambia to stay in America to go to Bible college. Rea went knocking on doors in Salem, Oregon and claims he found people who had never heard about salvation. I think those people were mocking him. He has six faithful men who can preach while he is in America. 

He was in my town and I missed him?!!  I can say with certainty that folks here know about salvation.

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On 2/4/2019 at 8:52 PM, Aine said:

I'm also a proud beagle Mama. My girl likes to play with bugs by chasing them or gently touching them with her paw. I found her out in the woods close to death. The vet thinks she'd been out for months, she was emaciated and had almost no hair left on her due to scrub rash (cuts and scabs and inflammation from the brush), the almost 70 engorged ticks that were removed from her and some had skin growing over the top, and when I got her in my car she lost control of her bowels and all that came out was blood and hundreds of live worms. Getting her in my car wasn't hard though- she approached me and was the most trusting and gentle thing from the beginning. She was definitely someone's poorly treated hunting dog though- she is gun trained and her tail was docked at the height of a 'beagle coop' that some hunters keep their dogs in around here :(

I have since had a number of incidents that illustrated the trauma of her life before me but one that was less traumatic and more surprising was this one. Like I said, she's so gentle and trusting but also very calm and patient with cats and dogs of various levels of anxiousness and things. She also loves kids and she's amazing with my best friend's now 18-month-old. They are best friends. But I had her off leash in an open area designed for dogs to be off-leash in my previous apartment complex last Spring and my ex-housemate's HUGE and rambunctious but anxious and uncoordinated dog went for the toy I'd thrown and I guess startled a baby bird out of its nest? It fell from a very low branch and was walking and flapping it's wings that had only the tiniest bit of feathering on them and squawking for it's mom. My housemate's dog was interested but freaked out by this little one, kind of dancing around it and then hiding behind the tree trunk. I was trying to work out what to do with it to get it to safety and stop my housemate's dog from accidentally stomping on it when my little beagle, 4 months after I found her and still building up her strength, suddenly appeared out of no where so so so quickly and scooped this baby bird up in her mouth whole with its little legs sticking out of it's mouth. She was holding it gently in her mouth. She looked at me so proud, tail wagging, and I screamed in horror and she dropped it at my feet and sat, tail wagging, looking at me.

I scooped her up and the other dog followed me inside. I went back outside and put baby bird back in the nest and the Mama was back by then. I hope it didn't die from shock- I never saw a body. But back inside, my little beagle was crying and too scared to come near me and trying to get back outside. I realized later after some other incidents where she couldn't chase a rabbit or something due to being on a leash and other things that she was terrified I would punish her for not 'getting' the bird and she likely only ever got any love or reinforcement for catching what she chased. 😰

My little girl is a quirky little thing but she's so amazing and with the things she's seen me through the past 14 months, I believe she saved my life. I never understood people being all about one dog breed as I've had mutts all my life that I adored- but I really get the love for beagles now. They're all funny and quirky in their own ways but they all have such wonderful temperaments and their stubbornness/intelligence/sociability and so much more makes them so special.

One my favorite of my girl's quirks is that her months of eating grass to survive has made her something of a 'grass connoisseur'. She has a couple favorite types of grass and when she's a patch of those specific types that is super green and not trodden on and tall, she wants to have at it every time. I can spot them now before she even sees them and try and steer her away because she gets constipated when she eats as much as she does when she finds it. I know dogs eat grass when they have an upset stomach but these instances are very much her seeing her favorite 'tasty' kind of grass and having a snack for old time's sake 😅

Sorry for being off topic- I just love meeting other people who love or loved their quirky little beagles like I love mine :) 

Obviously, John is still deluded and an idiot and Esther's condescending "Good job" to Boyd blowing out his candles is difficult to listen to 🙄

aww your poor baby.  I'm glad you found each other!  Dogs are so forgiving, we don't really deserve them.  

I love me some beagles.  They are such derpy dogs :)   I have 2 close friends that have beagles so I get my beagle fix that way.  I love them, but I couldn't take the baying (and I'm sure my neighbors are at their limit with the dogs we have now).

Your story reminded me of an incident when Teq was probably around 1 year old.  For some reason, our dogs will rarely "drop" for my husband.  They will immediately drop for me, so I'm used to him carrying a dog to me and me having them drop whatever they have.

One day he brought Teq into the bedroom where I was napping and woke me up telling me Teq had something in her mouth that she brought in from outside and she absolutely would not drop it for him.   I groggily put my hand out and before I even said drop she opened her mouth and out popped a fledgling robin, a bit soggy, but completely unhurt.   She was SO proud of herself LOL.

My husband took the bird that was a bit confused but didn't seem any the worse for wear out and put it on the other side of the fence where Teq couldn't keep "fetching" it.    When he checked later it was gone so I hope another animal didn't get it.  At least we know it didn't die from shock where he put it.

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Aine
8 minutes ago, Curious said:

aww your poor baby.  I'm glad you found each other!  Dogs are so forgiving, we don't really deserve them.  

I love me some beagles.  They are such derpy dogs :)   I have 2 close friends that have beagles so I get my beagle fix that way.  I love them, but I couldn't take the baying (and I'm sure my neighbors are at their limit with the dogs we have now).

Awww...Teq sounds so sweet! I feel bad for them when they're so proud and as their human parents we're all, "NOPE!" Even if it is needed.

Thankfully my Ruth isn't reactive to things outside and doesn't bay excessively. She'll back up my housemate's Dalmatian if she starts barking from a front window, even if she has no idea what she is backing up or barking at. Mostly I get the howling out of excitement or wanting to play or go outside. She makes the most wide variety of sounds that I've ever heard from a dog to communicate things or get attention but they aren't all loud and she's not reactive to loud noises.

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To date, the two dogs I have at the moment have dismally failed to catch a bunny, a chipmunk, or a bird.  Not for lack of trying with the bunnies.  Unlike my other sighthounds who could grab birds on the wing and chipmunks off the ground.  They they would look at me sadly because grabbing them meant they broke that particular squeaky toy.

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John is on the road again.  With Boyd.  I really hope he is paying Bro. Boyd.

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Bro. Boyd and I are in Southern Province right now, we met yesterday with a group that has been contacted through the receiving of our Gospel tracts!

For offer six hours these dear people sat there, sometimes even in the sun, listening to the glorious gospel of Christ, as we revealed the Righteousness of God to them.

Six hours!

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For all but two (one of whom had come visited us in Kafue a few weeks ago), they had NEVER been shown from the Bible about the Righteousness of God. They were trusting in their own righteous good works and their baptism to obtain eternal salvation.

Miserable sinners.

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It took over six hours because we have made a dramatic shift in our witnessing approach. When we look at a verse, we have started asking questions to see if the ones being witnessed to understand what the verse is saying. We had to re-read most of the verses yesterday, sometimes up to five or six times.

Five or 6 times. :(

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The precious people here in Zambia have not been taught to listen proactively and critically, as the religions, churches, and spiritual "leaders" want people that just "swallow and follow" (hey, that's good, never heard that said that succinctly before)

Not very good at all.

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Some asked great questions, and, although no one professed Christ, they were clearly shown from the Scriptures that man's righteousness is as "filthy rags" (Is. 64:6) and that we cannot DO anything or ADD anything to Christ's finished work at Calvary by His precious shed blood and resurrection!

I thought you'd quit that quick conversion stuff, Johnny.

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We also met a precious Baptist pastor that was invited to that meeting. He was the ONE there that understood and was trusting in the Righteousness of God only through Christ for his salvation.

He has passed through some deep waters and trials and we will be spending Friday night and Saturday morning with him getting to know him and seeking to be an encouragement to him.

Run, precious pastor, run!

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Today we met with another group further South, also as a result of the Gospel tracts. By the time most of you will be reading this, we will have been teaching for several hours, but would still covet your prayers, then tonight meeting with Mr. Kelvin, also about Salvation!

 He'll be exhausted!

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I also want to thank the Lord for my precious wife Esther who support and laborers so faithfully with me. She is meeting with her ladies discipleship group right now. Please pray for more faithful ladies as well.

Thanks for your fervant prayers friends,

Bro. John
Zambia

(For some reason this failed to post this morning, we just finished about four hours with this second group)

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.  He mentioned Esther and her ladies.  I think Esther has converted more ladies than John has men, but they don't count.  I wonder whether the matching skirts on Esther's ladies are bribes.

Several photos of a small group of menfolk hanging on John's every word.

We have another update post too.  Back in a bit.

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He's really targeting the Southern Province.

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Second Day of Southern Province Preaching Points Trip

Mr. Enoch, the man sitting in the chair to the left next to the whiteboard received our Gospel tracts, and contacted me about a month ago wanting to know more about being born again. He invited his wife and friends and neighbors also, and the group listened intently for around four hours. I was grateful for Bro. Boyd helping with translation to make sure everything was extremely clear. This group also was as Romans 10:3 describes, "...ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness..."

 

I hope Boyd was telling the group about  the cell phone John gave him.  Don't count on that belonging to you, Boyd dear.  If you cross Johnny he'll claim you stole it.

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Again, no professions of faith, but the expecting lady in the middle of the picture wearing a white shirt that listened VERY intently, reading the verses along with us.

Expecting dinner?  Looks like she's pregnant.  Or, if you must use Victorian euphemisms, John, she's an expectant mother.  

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Also, the three young men on the right continued listening carefully for hours while sitting in the hot direct sun after the shade moved. All glory to the Lamb, the Gospel Seed of Biblical salvation ONLY through Christ's Blood and Righteousness was carefully and clearly planted, so we praise the Living God of Heaven for this!

Poor things. Why not move everyone into the shade, you twit?  

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The second picture is my new friend Mr. Kelvin Sota.

Run Mr. Kelvin!

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We met him a couple months ago, and though he was invited as a student in 9th grade to an Independent Baptist church being planted by a Missionary around 25 years ago, he was never individually dealt with, went through their "baptism class," was baptized, joined the church, and was with them for the next three years. After several years, he's now been in Southern Province for 16 years, but he still identified himself with them.

"Dealt with" is an unfortunate choice of words.  But that Independent Baptist Church was not nearly as good as Johnny's.  

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As I shared in a previous post, when I simply and carefully questioned him while witnessing to him, he told me he was trusting in that baptism and his good works to save him.

He's unsaved.

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We had the glorious privilege of spending over four hours together with him last night, with more than three of them spent in sharing the glorious truth of the Righteousness of God!

Only three of them?

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When we finished going through the Scriptures, Mr. Kelvin thanked us and with gravity and seriousness said, "Now the onus is upon me to digest what I've heard, and respond to it."

Vomit it up fast, Mr. Kelvin!  John is a charlatan preaching a twisted version of Christianity.  You can't trust him not to exploit you.

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Please pray with us for Mr. Kelvin Sota, the group with Enoch, and the first group from Wednesday, that God will do what we cannot do, to open their blinded minds and hearts, and bring "godly sorrow" that "worketh repentance unto salvation..." (II Cor. 7:10).

Praying that they will all flee.

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We meet with another small group this morning until noon, then will be headed back North about two hours to meet with pastor Arthur to see how we can encourage this brother. He is one of literally only five people in my five years here that answered my questions about his salvation testimony with answers that he was trusting in Christ alone as his righteousness.

Funny that you have never mentioned Bro Arthur before then. 

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Keep praying, we will keep planting and watering, and waiting upon God to give the increase,

Bro. John and Bro. Boyd
Southern Province, Zambia

 

Send more money!  We need an increase!

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We meet with another small group this morning until noon, then will be headed back North about two hours to meet with pastor Arthur to see how we can encourage this brother. He is one of literally only five people in my five years here that answered my questions about his salvation testimony with answers that he was trusting in Christ alone as his righteousness.


So John is saying that there have been only 5 real converts in 5 years? Because to me, that seems to be what he is claiming. What a terrible return in terms of time and money.





So John is saying that there have been only 5 real converts in 5 years? Because to me, that seems to be what he is claiming. What a terrible return in terms of time and money.
Never mind. I reread. It could mean that he has found only 5 true Christians in his travels, they might not necessarily be his converts. 5 years of living there and he has met only 5 true Christians - that very much seems in keeping with John.

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