Baby Vuolo Is a Girl

[Ivycoveredtower]

1 minute ago, NakedKnees said:

I can't believe I'm saying it: but I actually really like Michelle's outfit. Bold polka dots are sort of surprising on her. It's not far off from something I'd wear.

I'd  wear that dress if it was black and I'd snap up that jacket in a second. 

[Snarkangel Gabriel]

Angel Jr has a long name on birth certificate but always goes by diminutive. I agree on not having nicknames on birth certificates - gives a grown up option and keeps shorter options open. I have a friend called Minnie now - used to be Jess - has always been Jessamine!

On “gender reveal” I really don’t mind. I found out (haemophilia carrier so a girl would have been less of a worry although Angel Jr was actually clear in the end!) but I do agree that we go too far on the gender specific presents. 

[ItsMeY'all]

I love using nicknames, but if someone wants to use one as the actual name I guess it just doesn't bother me. I babysat for a "Dave," not David. My uncle is "Larry," not Lawerence, his brother is "Michael," not Mike, and my hubby's uncle is "Steve." Harry isn't Henry or Harrison, he is Harry. Our grandmothers both reasoned if you liked the one name more and planned to call the child by that name, why should you name them something else. I have a family member that legally changed his name from Christopher to Chris. He figured since he only used the long version on forms he might as well change it. Guess we are just related to a lot of very utilitarian people.  

[SportsgalAnnie]

I don't know why but the Name Rosemary is something I see them going with. 

[Snarkangel Gabriel]

Another thing - since people have referred to Jane Austen in terms of the name Lydia I have to add one of my favourite JA quotes which I used when people said finding out the sex of Angel Jr. “spolied the surprise”

”Surprises are foolish things. The pleasure is not enhanced and the inconvenience is often considerable.” Mr. Knightley in Emma.

[SassyPants]

5 hours ago, Mama Mia said:

I think the impact of knowing the sex of the baby before hand , and the impact on gender divided everything is interesting. 

 

I had my children throughout the 80’s. With my oldest ultrasounds were not an option ( at least not in my town, for optional reasons ) ,I didn’t know anyone who knew the sex of the baby before hand. A few of my mom’s friends, and friends moms were having babies at the same time and might know due to amino, but that’s it. 

All the baby shower gifts, decorations, strollers, cribs, baby  toys etc were gender neutral. All of it. After the baby was born you would get cute little dresses or boy outfits. But 90% of a newborns equipment could be for a boy or a girl. Even once you had the baby- and began purchasing items - most toys were more gender neutral than they are now. There were legos. Everyone played with them. They weren’t a “ boy” toy. 

By the end of the 80’s - early 90’s probably half my friends knew the sex ahead of time ( I didn’t. They gave one 12 week scan with youngest kid, that’s it unless there were problems or you paid extra ) .

And you started to see the creep towards pink covered strollers, rose covered swings, pink and purple LEGO sets, separate big wheel colors..etc.etc..... they are pretty, I like them. I LIKE girly and princesses and all of that. BUT I think it has maybe contributed to the idea that EVERYTHING has to be “boy” or “girl” or consciously ( generally expensively ) “ gender neutral”. Instead of just stuff for babies and kids to use and play with.

And once you start out with all sex typed items - you accept continuing that way. Don’t get me wrong, I think people who want to know ahead of time - great. Most people do. And I love shopping for fluffy tiny dresses ! But the impact is interesting 

 

Even disposable diapers- in 1987 when I had my first, they were all white, but by 1990, when I had my second, the diapers were pink and blue.

I do not "get" while someone would buy a pink stroller or carseat- Navy blue, ok, but PINK?  FWIW, I wouldn't buy a lime green or mustard yellow car seat or stroller either.

[VelociRapture]

My brother is Jack. Not Jackson. Not Jonathon. Not John. 

To be fair, my brother picked the name Jack for himself when he came out as Trans a few years ago. So it was his decision to use a nickname as his legal name. 

I don’t think Kate as a legal first name is bad at all though. Yeah, it started as a nickname, but I think it doesn’t have that “cutesy” factor - usually an “-ie” sound at the end of the name - that bugs a lot of people about female nickname first names. It sounds like it could be a perfectly professional name to me. There are some other names that started as nicknames that seem pretty reasonable as first names too, like Ella, Etta, Mae, Elsa, Molly (I’m pretty sure this started as a nickname), Sadie, Nell, and Thea.

(And for the record, I haven’t and wouldn’t choose cutesy names for my kids, but I normally don’t judge others who do pick those names. Naming a child can be deeply personal for a lot of parents, so I try to reserve judgement for that reason. I wouldn’t vocally oppose a name unless it was something really bad, like the family we’ve discussed before who named their kids Adolph Hitler, Eva Braun, and Aryan Nation.)

[Jana814]

One of my clients has a daughter named Ally. I asked once if her legal named was Alison it’s not. (I went to school with an Alison but we called her Ali). 

[VelociRapture]

14 minutes ago, SportsgalAnnie said:

I don't know why but the Name Rosemerry is something I see them going with. 

Fixed that for you. Go bold or go home JinJer! 

[ItsMeY'all]

24 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

@Georgiana I'm with you to some extent, especially when it comes to really obviously diminutive nicknames used as first names (like Molly, Maggie, Ellie, etc.) - but then there are actual names that sound (arguably, I guess) just as diminutive - like Kelly, Stacey, Lily or Daisy. 

I'm also not sure I understand the issue with the name Kate. It doesn't strike me as a silly or frivolous name. Yes, it's generally a nickname for Katherine (or maybe Katelyn), but 'Kate' is very old, established and familiar, and I can't imagine many people having any issue with a 'President Kate'. 

Wait, Molly is a nickname? Hubby and I are both surprised and now guessing what "proper" name it is short for before pulling up Google.

Seems like over time nicknames often become common primary names. Kate seems to be headed that way. I also know a few that are Eliza and a Lila and I don't think too many nowdays would assume their given names to be Elizabeth and Delilah but 100 years ago it would have been a different story. But Molly...hmmmm. I had no idea. Learn something new every day!  I'm into genealogy...hubby and I both have women going back 200 years with Molly/ie as their legal birth name in our lines. I wonderthe history as to if it started out as a nickname or a "proper" name? 

[TeddyBonkers]

2 minutes ago, ItsMeY'all said:

Wait, Molly is a nickname? Hubby and I are both surprised and now guessing what "proper" name it is short for before pulling up Google.

Seems like over time nicknames often become common primary names. Kate seems to be headed that way. I also know a few that are Eliza and a Lila and I don't think too many nowdays would assume their given names to be Elizabeth and Delilah but 100 years ago it would have been a different story. But Molly...hmmmm. I had no idea. Learn something new every day!  I'm into genealogy...hubby and I both have women going back 200 years with Molly/ie as their legal birth name in our lines. I wonderthe history as to if it started out as a nickname or a "proper" name? 

Amalia. (At least it is in our family tree.)

If anyone is going to have a girl, I'm glad it's Jinger.

[metheglyn]

19 minutes ago, ItsMeY'all said:

Wait, Molly is a nickname? Hubby and I are both surprised and now guessing what "proper" name it is short for before pulling up Google.

Seems like over time nicknames often become common primary names. Kate seems to be headed that way. I also know a few that are Eliza and a Lila and I don't think too many nowdays would assume their given names to be Elizabeth and Delilah but 100 years ago it would have been a different story. But Molly...hmmmm. I had no idea. Learn something new every day!  I'm into genealogy...hubby and I both have women going back 200 years with Molly/ie as their legal birth name in our lines. I wonderthe history as to if it started out as a nickname or a "proper" name? 

Molly is an old nickname for Mary AND for Margaret.

That at least makes somewhat more sense than Peggy being a nickname for Margaret...the weirdness of rhyming names, (Peggy rhymes with Meggy) apparently! I do like "Daisy" as a nickname for Margaret though, since Marguerite is the french word for a Daisy.

[VineHeart137]

I really don't care for "nicknames" used as given names (although I don't think Kate is that bad) but I normally don't think twice about it on other people's kids. The one exception is Lexi Mae. I think my eye twitches slightly every time I read that name. Even throwing in an E to make it Lexie would have made it more appealing to me. But hey, not my kid.

[JessaBlessa]

My grandmother's name was Mary Ann and they called her Molly. 

[HideousGreenShirt]

1 hour ago, Ivycoveredtower said:

here are a few pictures from the reveal party TLC has more.

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Michelle's outfit is much better than usual but I hate the way JB is clutching at her. It seems that he's always grabbing her arm, like he's holding her upright/pointed at the camera. Hostage-y.

[tabitha2]

To be fair Jeremy is holding Jinger not much different.

[TatiFish9]

22 hours ago, seashell1025 said:

I wanted it so badly to be a boy, but I had a sinking suspicion from the start that it was a girl (and I promise that's not hindsight bias )  I do like to hope and assume that the restrictions on this girl growing up will be less than what Jinger had and that their brood of children is smaller/she doesn't become a sister mom.  

On a happier note however, Jinger looks fantastic! I know its also early, but she doesn't seem to be carrying as big as her other sisters, but obviously each woman carries children differently. Either way, she looks great! 

I must admit Jeremy and Jinger still intrigue me the most. As Austin pointed out, you can take the girl out of AR...

But does that me she is liberated? It 'll be interesting to see where Jinger aligns with her parents/ siblings and where she takes a more modern, Vuolo approach - especially in parenting.

Also, Jinger reminds me of Alyssa Bates in that they are two stylish mommas. They always look glowing, fashionable and healthy while pregnant. Totally agree with you there!

 

 

[neurogirl]

19 hours ago, Pete Pickles said:

 I doubt they’ll choose it but I’d pick the name Capri. It’s Italian for Jeremy, ~*uNiQuE*~ for Jinger, and cute enough to be the name of the first preshus speshul Duggar daughter’s daughter.

Capri was the pop-star alter-ego name I gave myself in third grade! My friends found out in high school and of course that became my "stripper/porn-star" name. I'd have a very different reaction to a Duggar/Vuolo daughter named Capri! 

[VelociRapture]

1 hour ago, ItsMeY'all said:

Wait, Molly is a nickname? Hubby and I are both surprised and now guessing what "proper" name it is short for before pulling up Google.

Seems like over time nicknames often become common primary names. Kate seems to be headed that way. I also know a few that are Eliza and a Lila and I don't think too many nowdays would assume their given names to be Elizabeth and Delilah but 100 years ago it would have been a different story. But Molly...hmmmm. I had no idea. Learn something new every day!  I'm into genealogy...hubby and I both have women going back 200 years with Molly/ie as their legal birth name in our lines. I wonderthe history as to if it started out as a nickname or a "proper" name? 

I want to say Molly started as a nickname in Medieval Europe. It’s been used as a first name for so long now that I don’t think it should really count as a nickname first name though. I think it’s a relatively normal and respectable first name to have.

[Sky with diamonds]

I don't mind the nickname of my name. My beloved Uncles used to call me it. I miss it actually. 

[albanuadh_1]

1 hour ago, metheglyn said:

That at least makes somewhat more sense than Peggy being a nickname for Margaret...the weirdness of rhyming names, (Peggy rhymes with Meggy) apparently! I do like "Daisy" as a nickname for Margaret though, since Marguerite is the french word for a Daisy.

Margaret = Peigi or Mairead in Scots Gaelic.

[singsingsing]

1 hour ago, ItsMeY'all said:

Wait, Molly is a nickname? Hubby and I are both surprised and now guessing what "proper" name it is short for before pulling up Google.

Seems like over time nicknames often become common primary names. Kate seems to be headed that way. I also know a few that are Eliza and a Lila and I don't think too many nowdays would assume their given names to be Elizabeth and Delilah but 100 years ago it would have been a different story. But Molly...hmmmm. I had no idea. Learn something new every day!  I'm into genealogy...hubby and I both have women going back 200 years with Molly/ie as their legal birth name in our lines. I wonderthe history as to if it started out as a nickname or a "proper" name? 

Yep, Molly is generally a nickname for Mary. But people have been giving their kids nicknames as first names for a long, long time, so I'm not surprised at all that you have ancestors named Molly 200+ years ago! There are also many names that today are considered complete, formal names in their own right that got their start as nicknames: Emma, Alison, Colin and Elliot are a few examples.

Sorry, guys... bring up the topic of names and I totally geek out! 

[Iamtheway]

I think stores and brands really push the gendered clothes and toys. That is after all an excellent way to sell more stuff. We didn't find out the sex (I was a 100% sure it was a boy though and was right). We still managed to buy lots of stuff before Miniway was born and I still try to be gender neutral when it comes to his clothes and toys. He loves colours, all of them, and he likes to play with all kinds of stuff. Shopkins are a resent obbsession of his. I have also made sure we have lots of books with strong female leads.

I have never had a nickname and have never understood why people would name their kid one thing even though they plan to call them something else from the beginning. But I guess it's just a common practice in other countries. Mr Way is from one of those countries and there is not one person in his family that is called by their actual birthname, all nicknames, all the way, except for Mr Way. He has a name with lots of nickname options as well (I don't like any of them) so it's really weird that he is just his name.

Miniway has a name that doesn't have any obvious nicknames so it will be interesting to see what his friends call him when he's a bit older. One of the reasons we liked the name is actually that there are no nicknames for it.

I see my name has been suggested for baby Vuolo a couple of times. I've always liked it and if they chose it I hope she turns out just like me.

[Satan'sFortress]

On 4/9/2018 at 7:55 PM, TatiFish9 said:

I was so sure Jeremy Jr. was on the way.

Jeramee??  Jeramie??

6 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

There are also many names that today are considered complete, formal names in their own right that got their start as nicknames: Emma, Alison, Colin and Elliot are a few examples.

Not to "out myself" too much--but 3 out of 4 of those are names in my family.  Spooky!!

[Million Children For Jesus]

I’m usually not a fan of most nicknames as names, or jean jackets, but Michelle does look nice in that polka dot and jean jacket outfit. Jeremy’s mom looks very nice, too. Jeremy’s dad seems very personable. I wonder what hateful beliefs they harbor that resulted in the creation of Jeremy. I wouldn’t have immediately guessed that about them. FJ has really opened up my eyes to how much some Christian denominations really hate Catholics.

ETA: italicized words. I often, but not always, prefer a formal name over a nickname as a given name, and some nicknames I like as given names, but as a rule, nicknames as given names aren’t my jam