Lori Alexander 16: Protecting Men's Jobs from the Assaults of Women

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

The comments on Lori "breast is is best" doodle have turned into the SAHM vs. women who have to work kertuffle.  One comment calls Lori out for being judgmental and Lori fires back she's just teaching the Word. Oh yeah she was most definitely being judge-y, (she had that tone). 

There is the usual claptrap from Lori about just stay home (even single mothers and widows) and God will provide,  The fan girls chime in about how God has opened up sooooo many financial opportunities since they returned home. But even if He hadn't living on/ below the poverty line is so terrific, why they could cut back more and live on even less.

There are heart warming anecdotes from women whose husbands work 2 jobs/ 80+ hours a week so mom can be home and how this is all so so so wonderful.  Lori is bursting with joy about these families -- 'cause the husbands are being "providers".  Never mind that if they are working 80+ hours a week they never see their children and quite possibly are working themselves to death.

The thing that chapped my lips though was this statement from a woman who worked when her husband was laid off (of course she says working was a very, very bad thing).  Bolding mine:

"When my husband was laid off for the winter, I worked 40-50 hour weeks to keep up with the bills (I got paid less rightfully than he did)."

Really?  Rightfully paid  less?  Rightfully!!  Really? Really? This is asinine because the only reason to be paid less than a man is if the job you do would be also be paid less if a man did it.

[TeddyBonkers]

In Lori's mind, there's absolutely no room for God leading a woman to work outside of the home. Even Ken allows for this: (comment taken from Lori's blog post "Why Do I Hate Women So Much-A Woman Asks")

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Lori does come across as cookie cutter for women, and it is possible that outside of what is clearly taught in God’s Word, you and many other Christian women like you may have the freedom to choose a part-time to full time career. But in order for you to make such a choice as a Believer you must first go to God’s Word and wrestle with what it says, then go to your Lord and ask Him how He wants you to live your life. If you are under the Lordship of Christ you have no personal choice on these matters, but must follow the conviction God gives to you by His Word and your personal prayers.

 

[louisa05]

24 minutes ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

The comments on Lori "breast is is best" doodle have turned into the SAHM vs. women who have to work kertuffle.  One comment calls Lori out for being judgmental and Lori fires back she's just teaching the Word. Oh yeah she was most definitely being judge-y, (she had that tone). 

There is the usual claptrap from Lori about just stay home (even single mothers and widows) and God will provide,  The fan girls chime in about how God has opened up sooooo many financial opportunities since they returned home. But even if He hadn't living on/ below the poverty line is so terrific, why they could cut back more and live on even less.

There are heart warming anecdotes from women whose husbands work 2 jobs/ 80+ hours a week so mom can be home and how this is all so so so wonderful.  Lori is bursting with joy about these families -- 'cause the husbands are being "providers".  Never mind that if they are working 80+ hours a week they never see their children and quite possibly are working themselves to death.

The thing that chapped my lips though was this statement from a woman who worked when her husband was laid off (of course she says working was a very, very bad thing).  Bolding mine:

"When my husband was laid off for the winter, I worked 40-50 hour weeks to keep up with the bills (I got paid less rightfully than he did)."

Really?  Rightfully paid  less?  Rightfully!!  Really? Really? This is asinine because the only reason to be paid less than a man is if the job you do would be also be paid less if a man did it.

My favorite was the woman who told about how she went back to work and her marriage was immediately about to fail, the nanny was drunk tweeting about her kids and she was sexually harassed at work. So then she quit and all was well. 

Why do I think that story was either totally made up or greatly exaggerated? 

[Red Jumper]

@Red Hair, Black Dress

If i could i would upvote this eleventy times.

Just to add: she mught get rightfully paid less if her husband worked 80 hours while she "only" 50.

I don't know enough about the us but here 40 hours = full-time (for some areas it is more than full-time) How on earth is it legal to work 80 hours per week? This is like the industrial revolution way of treating humans: there sure will be another poor soul to replace this wage slave.

[louisa05]

2 minutes ago, Red Jumper said:

If i could i would upvote this eleventy times.

Just to add: she mught get rightfully paid less if her husband worked 80 hours while she "only" 50.

I don't know enough about the us but here 40 hours = full-time (for some areas it is more than full-time) How on earth is it legal to work 80 hours per week? This is like the industrial revolution way of treating humans: there sure will be another poor soul to replace this wage slave.

Most U.S. states have no limitations on mandatory overtime. So many people work much more than a 40 hour week. My husband typically works about 55 hours a week as overtime is required. 

At his previous job in manufacturing, the company had multiple recalls and had to replace product one year. They required employees to work seven days a week for four months and did not allow sick leave or vacation during that time. Most employees were only given one day off every 20 days during that time and some were given none. Several were fired because they got sick and could not continue. There is no law in our state or 47 others to stop a company from doing that. People missed family events, their own kids' graduations, weddings, etc... Management could have cared less. 

[Loveday]

1 minute ago, louisa05 said:

My favorite was the woman who told about how she went back to work and her marriage was immediately about to fail, the nanny was drunk tweeting about her kids and she was sexually harassed at work. So then she quit and all was well. 

Why do I think that story was either totally made up or greatly exaggerated? 

Because it probably was. It fits in too patly with Lori's agenda to be anything but totally made up. I've noticed that Lori's leghumpers fall all over themselves to one-up each other in the holier-than-thou-so-I'll-be-Lori's-favorite department. I should try it with her and see what happens. How's this:

 You left your job to stay home with your kids and even though things are tight, you're making it with your husband's job while you shill a little Plexus on the side? Pfft, that's nothing. I never HAD to work, my husband has three jobs and even though we're still struggling and never have a vacation or a single meal out and we live in a two bedroom apartment with our six kids and I drag our laundry across town--in our broken-down, 40 year old Pinto wagon-- to the laundromat and then hang all the diapers to dry on lines strung across the living room because we don't really use the living room since we don't have a TV because cable is bad and This Is Us is evil and even the commercial for Beauty and the Beast will taint my  children's minds forever, we wouldn't have it any other way because submission, and besides, Proverbs 31 doesn't say anything about me going out my front door (except to the laundromat!). I win, Lori likes me best! 

 

Ugh, maybe not.

 

 

[Red Jumper]

@louisa05

Omg this is hell. I think fundies are right Satan exists (but not like they think)

i am in paradise here. Some of us do have overtime including contracts. But there are limits - which apply everyone from low skilled bluecollar to senior management. Short-term limits are higher but then you are paid for extra free time afterwards (extra paid day off or extra paid vacational leave).

[louisa05]

6 minutes ago, Red Jumper said:

@louisa05

Omg this is hell. I think fundies are right Satan exists (but not like they think)

i am in paradise here. Some of us do have overtime including contracts. But there are limits - which apply everyone from low skilled bluecollar to senior management. Short-term limits are higher but then you are paid for extra free time afterwards (extra paid day off or extra paid vacational leave).

Laws require employees who are paid an hourly wage to be paid time and a half for hours over 40 per week (1.5 their hourly rate). There are plenty of exemptions to that rule, though. And people paid an annual salary get no overtime pay and are typically expected to work overtime hours.

My husband did get paid the time and half for working seven days a week that time--so he brought home a lot of extra money. But it still wasn't worth it. Most people around us just acted like it was so great that he was making extra money that we should not complain because that is the ethics about work in much of this country. He was on second shift then (3 to 11 p.m) which meant that we could not go out or see friends or family at all. I did. But without him. 

[Chocolatedefrauded]

So the Nottheast just got a blizzard. My area got 2 feet of snow. Everyone is expected to help shovel and learn to use a snowblower. I bet Lori could not cope. It is not fair to expect men to do all the work. Who wants their man to have a heart attack?

i joke that it is date night when my hubby and I shovel together late at night. It is quiet, no interruptions and we can talk. He knows that I can handle it when he can't be here, like the Thanksgiving he was 3,000 miles away and I learned to snowblow cause we got 16 inches of snow. I'm only about 5"2 but I just read the instructions & talked to my hubby. Bingo, job done! I was not going to be housebound with a kid until he got home.

 Helpless Lori would be calling the National Guard for help!

[Red Jumper]

27 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

There are plenty of exemptions to that rule, though. [...]

But it still wasn't worth it. [...]

 that is the ethics about work in much of this country

our work ethics is radically different. our countries does fine. next goal our politicians proclaimed to have the best (happiness+standard of living) life of all countries in the world. We don't want to be great, we want heaven here-and-now so to speak. I am unsure how we want measure, but i like the goal.

and i still think you are poor soul living in hell. i only hope that rather sooner than later that will change for you (so ok, not eternal hell, just temporarily uberawfull-inhuman)

 

eta: now i'll get some real us-fastfood for a change to boost the us - thinking of you -no blessings ;-)

[louisa05]

3 minutes ago, Red Jumper said:

our work ethics is radically different. our countries does fine. next goal our politicians proclaimed to have the best (happiness+standard of living) life of all countries in the world. We don't want to be great, we want heaven here-and-now so to speak. I am unsure how we want measure, but i like the goal.

and i still think you are poor soul living in hell. i only hope that rather sooner than later that will change for you (so ok, not eternal hell, just temporarily uberawfull-inhuman)

Weirdly enough, husband's current 50 hour weeks don't bother us. I know that sounds weird. But ten hours is not much spread over five days or sometimes six (with three hours Saturday morning) and the extra money helps us make ends meet. Of course, this is after he worked in the previous job with the 4 months of 7 day weeks and constantly changing hours and shifts--rotating 12 hour days for awhile (he would work 2 days, have 2 off then work 3, then the days switched the next week) or there was a period of 3 12hour days followed by an 8 hour day, and at one point, rotating working nights one week and days the next. Now he works day time hours, Monday through Friday with 3 or 4 hours on a Saturday once in awhile. Even if it is ten hour days, it is all better than the last job. 

I guess it is all relative to what you are used to. 

I was a teacher when I worked full time. Teachers are on salary. Most work 50-70 hours a week with no extra pay. And those hours are expected. Once in awhile, there is free time off, but for most it doesn't compensate for the extra time put in. We had to be at school for 16 hours of evening parent teacher conferences each year and got one 8 hour day off in return. And on that day, they would all but force us to "volunteer" to help run a track meet. So there you go. 

[TeddyBonkers]

28 minutes ago, Chocolatedefrauded said:

 

 Helpless Lori would be calling the National Guard for help!

She'd be scandalized when a FEMALE National Guard troop arrived! 

[December]

2 hours ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

"When my husband was laid off for the winter, I worked 40-50 hour weeks to keep up with the bills (I got paid less rightfully than he did)."

Really?  Rightfully paid  less?  Rightfully!!  Really? Really? This is asinine because the only reason to be paid less than a man is if the job you do would be also be paid less if a man did it.

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Many of the arguments I've read from women who oppose wage equality seem to involve a combination of believing that 1) women are putting in less effort and/or doing a lower quality of work then men, and 2) wage inequality incentivizes one-income households with the "proper" role of the man as the sole breadwinner and the woman as a SAHM. If that's someone's world view, I guess it wouldn't really sound asinine. If you live in a world where it's not socially and economically the same as the 1950s was (at least for middle-class, white families in America), it's a bit harder to buy into. 

[Hane]

1 hour ago, Chocolatedefrauded said:

So the Nottheast just got a blizzard. My area got 2 feet of snow. Everyone is expected to help shovel and learn to use a snowblower. I bet Lori could not cope. It is not fair to expect men to do all the work. Who wants their man to have a heart attack?

i joke that it is date night when my hubby and I shovel together late at night. It is quiet, no interruptions and we can talk. He knows that I can handle it when he can't be here, like the Thanksgiving he was 3,000 miles away and I learned to snowblow cause we got 16 inches of snow. I'm only about 5"2 but I just read the instructions & talked to my hubby. Bingo, job done! I was not going to be housebound with a kid until he got home.

 Helpless Lori would be calling the National Guard for help!

You are a tougher woman than I am! I'm a single gal with a big, steep driveway, so I pay my Peerless Plowman and don't whine about it, Lori.

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Mban says:

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March 15, 2017 at 7:24 am

Hi Lori,

I’ve been following your blog and bought our book as well, and trying to apply Godly principles of submission in my marriage. My question is this – what about women in the medical field? I am a stay at home mom/homemaker, but I have quite a few relatives including my mom and sister who are nurses. My husband thinks the medical field is not for women since they can be exposed to naked men, or inappropriate behavior by men. But, he does not like for me to be treated by men- only women, unless it is an extreme situation or there are no women specialists available. I’ve tried to gently let him see that this thinking contradicts himself, but he just says, let the unchristian women work in the medical field.

The argument here is not if women should work outside the home period, it’s if her husband does want her to work, what is an appropriate field, and to him, the medical field (besides things like dentistry and eye care) should be off limits to Christians (even men since they will come in contact with exposed women). Every woman I’ve talked to that is a nurse or in the medical field says they see the patients as their job, nothing more, and in most cases they do not even have time to realize what they are looking at if it is an exposed man. My guess is that it also has to do with the differences with men and women, men being more visual and vulnerable to serial sin, so I think that is why he thinks women would react the same.

Any thoughts on this?

 

Right, let those heathen "throw away" women become doctors. That is the tone that has. Sounds like she just has a controlling husband.  Its the sexual repression again too. Assuming that if you see a naked man or woman you must automatically make it sexual.

Lori's response:

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March 15, 2017 at 8:53 am

I have never pondered this before. I had a male OB-GYN deliver all four of my babies and I honestly didn’t think much about it. My doctor was an older man who delivered many babies. In the olden days, it was midwives who delivered the babies and they didn’t need years of schooling and exorbitant costs of medical school in order to deliver babies like they do today. My Grandmother and many of my aunts had the same woman deliver all of their babies in their homes.

I am not trying to tell all women and men how they are to live their lives. I teach younger women who love the Lord and His ways what the Word commands I teach them. Godly women should want to be married, bear children, and guide the home. Their desires shouldn’t be for medical degrees or any other type of career that keeps them from being able to marry, have children at a younger age and stay home with them full time.

God wants a family; a family who loves Him and wants to live their lives the way He has told them to do so. He wants a remnant who aren’t afraid to go against the culture’s norms and live godly lives.

 

Never pondered it? LOL. As we all know I am sure she has woman doctor and nurses for all her medical conditions. 

[Koala]

Reader:

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How do you deal with those holier than thou people?? 

Deal with them?  Are you kidding me right now?  Lori is the queen of them all. 

 

 

[Showtunesgirl]

Today's post and comments are just *SMH*. 

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I am not trying to tell all women and men how they are to live their lives. I teach younger women who love the Lord and His ways what the Word commands I teach them. Godly women should want to be married, bear children, and guide the home. Their desires shouldn’t be for medical degrees or any other type of career that keeps them from being able to marry, have children at a younger age and stay home with them full time.

The implications, of course, are that 1) only ungodly women wouldn't want their lives dictated by Lori and 2) unmarried women with careers have no one to blame but themselves if they want to be wives and mothers. The problem with the first is obvious, and the problem I have with the second is that a desire for something doesn't necessarily bring that something into fruition. A godly young woman could very well have the desire to be married, have kids, and be a SAHM, but if God has decided He has other purposes for her life, does her desire change His mind? No, it doesn't. I know there's a whole post on the old blog about how if a young woman isn't married but wants to be, then she's doing a bunch of things wrong, including not being thin/pretty enough, which UGHHHH. I also don't know of any degree or career that would keep a woman from having a family. With some career paths it can be more challenging to fulfill the model that Lori has proclaimed for women, but nowhere in Scripture does it say women have to marry young, have children at a younger age, or stay at home full time. Yeah, she likes to quote 1 Timothy 5 about marrying, bearing children, and managing households, but CONTEXT Lori. Again, that passage addresses younger WIDOWS, so women who were ALREADY MARRIED, not young women in general!

[louisa05]

I'd like to ask Lori about this little bit from Paul in Corinthians, but I'm completely blocked from commenting on FB or the blog now: 

"Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do."

 

[Koala]

6 minutes ago, Showtunesgirl said:

 I know there's a whole post on the old blog about how if a young woman isn't married but wants to be, then she's doing a bunch of things wrong, including not being thin/pretty enough, which UGHHHH. 

Sure is.  

Lori Alexander (she opens with the following quote):

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Christian women need to be told the truth about men ~

Men are attracted to youth and looks. This is normal. Men are not evil, base or perverted for being attracted to youth and beauty. Young Christian girl, if you are not getting approached or asked out, it’s probably because you’re not attractive enough, you’re not nice enough or you’re not available enough. You need to work on this. You need to lose weight, grow your hair out, wear nice clothes and some decent makeup. You might be a b****, and if you are, you need to be nicer. If you really want to find a man and marry, then you need to get serious about it while you’re young. 

She continues:

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There are so many beautiful women who would love to be married but are heavy and out of shape.  I posted that first paragraph which was written by a man to try and persuade young women who are looking for a husband to begin eating healthy, working out, join Weight Watchers, whatever it takes to look better. 

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Now that you realize gluttony is indeed a sin, you are filled with the Holy Spirit who gives you self-control, and your husband probably would love for you to be in shape {Some men like some meat on their women. You must ask him how much meat he likes!}

 

[Hisey]

Wow, the comments today are just so misogynistic. Women are climbing all over each other to say how bad and weak their sex is. That Mrs. Kelly Dibble (nice name, hon!) is a piece of work.

It was great to hear from Trey today. I'm amazed he has the time from his alpha-male life to comment on a women's blog. Apparently --this will come as a shock--he's had conflicts with women in the workplace and has even been spoken to by HR! The stupid gals have the gall to think he's rude, but really he just talks how men talk.

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

Who is this Mrs. Kelly Dibble?  Was she on drugs today with all her postings? Take it down a notch please.

 Poor Trey, being all butt hurt because some woman admonished him to say "please" and "thank you"  Was he raised by wolves? Didn't his parents teach him manners or are godly men exempt from polite manners? Trey it's not about women's feelz or emotions, it's about decency.

My parents taught me that please and thank you were the magic words and that no one, no one, was exempt from manners ever, in any situation.

In the work world this is so true.  Being in management I find that if I ask for something with please and then say thank you it goes a long, long way.  I get requests handled by staff before other managers because i ask nicely and I'm appreciative of what people do.  At the end of a project I always publicly thank and praise my team for job well-done, acknowledging they are rock stars and I can't do my job without their expertise. That's how I get people to go that extra little bit when I need it. Everything I say is true -- the difference is I say it and most male managers never do.

In my admittedly anecdotal experience, hardly any of the men I work with (in a fairly male-heavy industry) know or use "please" and "thank you". 

[EowynW]

e: people making a big deal out of men working

I  have never understood this either. Everyone should work hard and pull their share because bills have to be paid and a house has to stay running.  Both Mr EowynW and I were brought up in fundie families. My family believed that crap about the man needing to work two even 3 jobs if need be to keep the wife at home.  The first few months of being married were not easy for us because we both moved (me partway across the  state), he was brand new in a demanding job and we had both moved out of our parents' places. (please don't hate, we were just trying to "live right" in the only way we knew how according to what we had been taught.) But thankfully we had 20 years of friendship to build on so we made it. Anyway, one of the biggest struggles we faced was Mr. Eowyn W honestly believing that because he was shouldering most of the financial burden and providing, that made him a "good" husband. Don't get me wrong, he is a FANTASTIC HUSBAND, but at first he thought hardworking = good husband = meeting all my needs when I would rather have him there emotionally for me than always focusing on making money to pay the bills. Once we worked through that, things got soooooo much better. I finally had to have a sit down and tell him I didn't care if we both had to work at walmart full time to make it work, that I married him for WHO HE IS and the lovely person that is HIM not because of what he could provide. This really lifted a burden for him and for me. He was honestly thinking it was all on him and he was afraid I wouldn't work if need be. Stupid fundie raising and ideas. I am now happily working two part time jobs to fill in the gaps  in addition to running our beloved little "funny farm" and garden.  but he knows that I will drop everything in a second and find a full time job if need be. He has better earning potential and I am struggling with adrenal fatigue so he would rather carry the main load, but I help out every way I can.

re: the verse about Sarah calling Abraham lord

Remember a couple of weeks ago when someone brought that verse up to Lori and she dismissed it saying it wasn't relevant? Well I was reading on a post on Sheila's blog a couple of days ago and found Lori in the comments arguing with her using that SAME VERSE to try to prove her version of submission. haha!!!!!

 

re: Lori's midwife comment

THAT MADE ME SO ANGRY. My Mom runs a very successful and busy midwifery practice. She went through several years of education, hands on training, apprenticing, paperwork, seminars, workshops, delivered TONS of babies under her educator,  etc etc etc and had to take the state exam. She is fully licensed and has done everything correctly and that took time and money. She observes the complaint hearings at the capital to learn more. She works closely with OBGYNs and has one who writes her standing orders. She is quick to transport at the first hint of something going wrong and she is respected in her profession. Midwifery isn't some hillbilly way of doing things anymore. And you should never ever ever ever let someone who is untrained care for you or your baby. UGH! There were many talented midwives in days gone by, but that wisdom has now been put into the education of future midwives with hands on training and bookwork.

re: single fat girls

This always hurts me. I didn't get married until age 29. I was always stocky, but as an adult I really put on the weight. It turned out I did have a slow thyroid and adrenal fatigue. I remember sobbing when I finally found out it wasn't all my fault. I did turn to food more than I should have to numb the pain of being a SAHD with very little to look forward to in life, but most of the problem was that my poor endocrine system was wonky and has been sensitive since birth!!! My parents, however, still pushed me to get thin to attract boys. I remember overhearing my Dad tell my Mom when I was 27 that I'd "never get a husband if I kept letting myself go like this". I cried for a solid day over that. I brought it up to  my mom and she basically told me to hush that my Dad had a point. I remember when Mr EW was taking longer than they wanted to "make it a official" and my Mom suggested that I should work harder to lose weight since that could be what would help him decide to go ahead and head the relationship towards marriage. Oh gosh, typing all of this brings tears to my eyes. Anyway, he fell in love with fatty me, married fatty me, makes love with fatty me, and says I'm so so hot and sexy even though I'm currently at my heaviest weight ever. God has been so good to me and the love of my husband is really helping me to heal of many of the hurts of my upbringing.

[louisa05]

After reading those comments about the horrors of women in the workplace, I recalled reading a story last week about how workplaces are most successful with a balance of genders. I'm sure that would make Lori and her fan club absolutely insane with rage. Link: 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/03/10/too-many-men-too-many-women-workplace-could-hurt-profits/98976050/

[onemama]

3 hours ago, AlwaysDiscerning said:

I had a male OB-GYN deliver all four of my babies and I honestly didn’t think much about it. My doctor was an older man who delivered many babies.

Don't you know that the only man who should ever look at your nether regions is your husband, Lori? A truly "godly woman" gives birth at home, in her bathtub, not in a hospital with a man peering between her legs.  I should send you a copy of "The Way Home". You've still got much to learn. 

2 hours ago, Koala said:

There are so many beautiful women who would love to be married but are heavy and out of shape.  I posted that first paragraph which was written by a man to try and persuade young women who are looking for a husband to begin eating healthy, working out, join Weight Watchers, whatever it takes to look better. 

I'm speechless... Lori, you are so disgusting! 

1 hour ago, EowynW said:

My parents, however, still pushed me to get thin to attract boys. I remember overhearing my Dad tell my Mom when I was 27 that I'd "never get a husband if I kept letting myself go like this". I cried for a solid day over that. I brought it up to  my mom and she basically told me to hush that my Dad had a point

I'm so sorry you wen through that! I've struggled for most of my life with my weight and my build, but my family never told me I should lose weight to attract a man. My husband fell in love with me at my heaviest (non-pregnant). I gain easily and have a hard time losing. I also have a sweet tooth and crave sweet stuff when I'm stressed, anxious or depressed.  I gained a lot of weight when my first relationship ended, and now, as I try to navigate through some difficulties in my marriage, I'm struggling to "just eat healthy".  I know it would be the best thing I could do for myself, but it's hard. It really is a vicious cycle.  Lori thinks that struggling with food is worse than being the bitch that she is. Well, let her live with herself. 

[Imrlgoddess]

It always catches me when I find people who say women dominated workplaces are messy. I'm not saying we can't be catty & that there aren't ones who make trouble but male dominated environments aren't so different. I've held a handful of jobs being the only female present. There was just as much competition & many fights--like for real fights. One shop I was in, it was nothing for the men to get into an argument over a job & literally go out into the scrap yard & fight it out. The rule was: do it on lunch or after work & don't hurt each other to the point that someone has to go & explain themselves to the occupational doctor. 

I can't speak for office type situations because (ironically) my work history is all logistical. Air craft hangars, industrial engine repair & supply, warehousing, & the last one was a machine shop. A former friend of mine who was in banking for a decade asked me one day if we had "problem solving" where I worked, I laughed & told her no.  Problem solving in the oil field is being called in to the boss' office with the one you disagreed, being yelled at for about 15 minutes, told to scratch your ass, get happy, & go back to work. 

Yes it takes a thick skin to work with rough men. There have been plenty times when the jokes probably should have been reported, but you learn to pick your battles & fight fire with fire. I'm the only woman I know from the Louisiana oil industry that's been fussed at for sexual harassment. I was good at my job, kept them on their toes, & made plenty of money.

I notice Lori & crew never give credence to the men who wish they could be home more with their babies. That's one thing I heard a lot with the offshore men, they missed a lot of birthdays, concerts, & firsts bc they were gone so much. But I guess "real" men... command men... Don't worry about their wives children.