Jill, Derick and Israel- Part 17

[Four is Enough]

10 hours ago, ClaraOswin said:

I guess you didn't see my post where I said what Izzy is doing isn't out of the ordinary (in other words, "completely natural."

Personally, I am all about bumpers on sharp edges though. I've known way too many kids with ER visits and stitches. Obviously they can't be avoided completely because shit happens. But I'm sure as hell going to try my best to keep stitches (and scars) away. 

I probably did see your post, but I remember reading a lot of "OMG" type posts, too.

I guess I grew up in a different time. My parents and extended family didn't swaddle the house when a baby was there, and we all survived. Yes, my brother fell off the fence, twice, and broke his arm, twice, and I fell and broke my front teeth off, running, but... it was chalked up to "normal kid stuff" and I think that's the way a lot of parents still feel. You just can't prevent everything. 

Mark me, (get the Outlander reference?) I'm not arguing with you.  I am always amazed at the way kids play hard, climb on everything, fall, and still manage to stay intact most of the time.

[VelociRapture]

@MayMay1123They may still have the bumbo around due to lack of storage. If I remember correctly, they didn't have a ton of extra room like in the McMansion. Plus, like others said, if they have people coming to "fellowship" or visit with very young children it may be good to have it available.

Besides, they're likely going to have more kids at some point. They probably don't want to get rid of it completely for that reason.

6 hours ago, SportsgalAnnie said:

yes and it also looked like he had a full diaper. remember when some of us thought Jessa wouldn't be as good a mom as she is? I think she could give Jill a few pointers 

As @Bad Wolfsaid, it looks like a cloth diaper and a diaper cover over it. Those are much bulkier than disposables are.

It does make me a bit sad to see all the comparing between these young mothers to be honest - mostly because my sister and I will have kids 11 months apart in age and I would hate to have people comparing us in that way. 

Both Jill and Jessa seem to love their sons a great deal in my opinion - they may do things a bit differently, but that doesn't mean one is better than the other.

[HarleyQuinn]

I bet the minute after Tweedle Dumb snapped that photo, the bumbo tipped over and Israel smacked his head on the counter. Those things aren't weighed down. 

Kids do dangerous things, my son grabbed a knife out of the dishwasher once when I was unloading and took off running with it. (Well, he got about a step before I grabbed him and took it away) but I have a huge pet peeve of people taking pictures of kids doing things like that. A girl on my facebook wall was remodeling her house and had nails lying around, and her daughter grabbed them and put them in her snack bowl, and she took a photo of it like "lol, she had cheerios when I walked away and now has nails!" 

[LadyCrow1313]

47 minutes ago, Four is Enough said:

I probably did see your post, but I remember reading a lot of "OMG" type posts, too.

I guess I grew up in a different time. My parents and extended family didn't swaddle the house when a baby was there, and we all survived. Yes, my brother fell off the fence, twice, and broke his arm, twice, and I fell and broke my front teeth off, running, but... it was chalked up to "normal kid stuff" and I think that's the way a lot of parents still feel. You just can't prevent everything. 

Mark me, (get the Outlander reference?) I'm not arguing with you.  I am always amazed at the way kids play hard, climb on everything, fall, and still manage to stay intact most of the time.

Kids are amazingly resilient. When my niece was about 2 or so, she tripped on the rug in her house & smacked her head against the radiator. She went to the hospital, but luckily didn't need any stitches. She's almost 19 now, & still has a small scar on her hairline (& will crack jokes about it).

[AlysonRR]

20 hours ago, AuntCloud said:

In a better world the number of unwanted pregnancies (not the same as unplanned!) is almost nil because of better access to contraception, better sex education, and an entire cultural switch where respect to women as human beings is a given. 

If the only reason for being anti-abortion is "the babies", the pro-life contingent would have jumped on board the better access and better contraception band wagon.

They won't, though, because that's not the only reason. Control of women (ie., lack of respect for them as human beings) is their main issue. That's what keeps abortion as a major divisive topic.

19 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

Mr. Collins was ordained Church of England but he represents the repressive, unimaginative, wants-easy-answers Christian which we find among many fundies

Mr Collins even had a Gothard, in the person of Lady Catherine de Bourg, telling him what to believe on every topic...

[Incognito22]

For me it's not the act itself.  Children do crazy dangerous things. It's the fact that instead of stopping him she snaps a picture and then on top of that sees nothing wrong with posting it.  There is just a disconnect there.  I feel bad for her in a way. I think she's just so over the moon with having her own life and family and wants to show it off but has zero clue what is socially acceptable.  If you're dumb enough to post a picture of your child in a scenario that looks dangerous be prepared to get back lash.  

[nastyhobbitses]

1 hour ago, LadyCrow1313 said:

Kids are amazingly resilient. When my niece was about 2 or so, she tripped on the rug in her house & smacked her head against the radiator. She went to the hospital, but luckily didn't need any stitches. She's almost 19 now, & still has a small scar on her hairline (& will crack jokes about it).

Yeah, I don't have a huge issue with Izzy climbing and exploring; it's more what he can reach and get into that freaks me out. A kid can figure out "I should move my stepstool/improperly used Bumbo seat closer to what I want to reach next time" if he falls over. There's not often a next time/lesson learned if the kid decides to explore what Clorox tastes like.

[Mercer]

I really try not to be too hard on parents in general, but while some cuts, bruises, and scrapes are a normal part of growing up, a traumatic brain injury is not, and that is very much a possibility in the picture if Izzy loses his balance and hits his head on the counter/fridge/tile floor.

I don't blame the parents that Izzy got into that position. Kids will be kids. That could happen to anyone.

I do blame them for thinking that the appropriate response was to pause to take a picture rather than making safeguarding their child their immediate priority. I'm sure they're good parents overall, but in my opinion this particular situation was extremely poor judgment, and while I'm glad it turned out okay, it ended well because they were lucky rather than because they handled it right.

[VelociRapture]

1 hour ago, AlysonRR said:

If the only reason for being anti-abortion is "the babies", the pro-life contingent would have jumped on board the better access and better contraception band wagon.

They won't, though, because that's not the only reason. Control of women (ie., lack of respect for them as human beings) is their main issue. That's what keeps abortion as a major divisive topic.

I think this is a very important distinction between the militant pro-lifers and those who just don't like the idea of abortion for whatever reason. Some posters - like @ClaraOswin- have said they're probably more conservative on this issue than most of us are... Yet we still see them supporting access to birth control, better sex Ed curriculums, and women's right to decide in most hypothetical scenarios. As you correctly pointed out, that isn't the case for Gothard or people like him. And the difference absolutely comes down to whether someone wants to control women or not.

@Incognito22I think you make a fair point about Jill's social media use. To be fair though, she didn't post this specific photo - whoever runs the account for the Duggar family did. It's entirely possible she sent it via email or text privately and someone (possibly Jana, who I believe has the password for Internet access) thought it was cute to share publicly. Or she could have given them the OK to post it too.

[Gobbles]

I know this is different, but I also took a picture first when I found my dog (size of a Border-Collie) on top of the kitchen table in search for a sunspot. Obviously she was not allowed to that at all, but we were all gone and she just loves the sun. I still remember when I walked into the kitchen and I started laughing, quickly took a picture and after that told her to come down. 

My parents did not baby proof either and I have never hurt myself seriously or broken anything. The only scars I have are on my knees from falling while running outside and on my forehead from running into a door frame. They did baby proof the power outlets but not the stove or anything. My Mum said that she supervised me and if not put me into "baby cage" (that thing with walls around and a place to play in the middle - "Laufstall" in German).

[AnnaRuk09]

4 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

@Incognito22I think you make a fair point about Jill's social media use. To be fair though, she didn't post this specific photo - whoever runs the account for the Duggar family did. It's entirely possible she sent it via email or text privately and someone (possibly Jana, who I believe has the password for Internet access) thought it was cute to share publicly. Or she could have given them the OK to post it too.

I have always wondered who posts for the Duggar Facebook account. Surely Jana is not the only one with the internet password anymore. Maybe a while ago when everyone was a lot younger but now probably most of the oldest kids have access. As to who posts, I think it's mostly Joy and Jinger since there are a lot of selfies of them doing stuff along with ma and pa. But I'm sure some of the other older kids post every now and then. 

[Mercer]

5 minutes ago, Gobbles said:

I know this is different, but I also took a picture first when I found my dog (size of a Border-Collie) on top of the kitchen table in search for a sunspot. Obviously she was not allowed to that at all, but we were all gone and she just loves the sun. I still remember when I walked into the kitchen and I started laughing, quickly took a picture and after that told her to come down. 

In my opinion that is completely different. Your dog was misbehaving but it doesn't sound like she was in any immediate danger. Izzy was potentially a split second away from what could have been a serious injury... and the parents chose to use that split second to grab the camera rather than grab their child out of harm's way.

[Edhelfin]

2 hours ago, Incognito22 said:

For me it's not the act itself.  Children do crazy dangerous things. It's the fact that instead of stopping him she snaps a picture and then on top of that sees nothing wrong with posting it.  There is just a disconnect there.  I feel bad for her in a way. I think she's just so over the moon with having her own life and family and wants to show it off but has zero clue what is socially acceptable.  If you're dumb enough to post a picture of your child in a scenario that looks dangerous be prepared to get back lash.  

Taking a photo of the 'scene' and whoring it on the internet is more important for these people. Also she probably thought 'this will be a good middle finger to those who love to criticize us - quick, where is my phone?!'. Hope the potty is not full of pee.

 

 

[Buzzard]

1 hour ago, VelociRapture said:

@Incognito22I think you make a fair point about Jill's social media use. To be fair though, she didn't post this specific photo - whoever runs the account for the Duggar family did. It's entirely possible she sent it via email or text privately and someone (possibly Jana, who I believe has the password for Internet access) thought it was cute to share publicly. Or she could have given them the OK to post it too.

We also have to remember how amazingly stunted they are.  They have no frame of reference for how things read on the internet, especially considering that they are only allowed the keys to the holy kingdom once they're partially sold off to their new headship.  It isnt like they've been tweeting since they were 13... 

[jacduggar]

Not sure if it's been discussed (only seeing speculation on how bad of parents Jill and Derick are) but Ben and Jessa are definitely back in El Salvador. Jill posted a photo to Instagram and they can be seen in the background. Must be filming. 

[lascuba]

5 hours ago, AlysonRR said:

If the only reason for being anti-abortion is "the babies", the pro-life contingent would have jumped on board the better access and better contraception band wagon.

They won't, though, because that's not the only reason. Control of women (ie., lack of respect for them as human beings) is their main issue. That's what keeps abortion as a major divisive topic.

Mr Collins even had a Gothard, in the person of Lady Catherine de Bourg, telling him what to believe on every topic...

That, and/or they'd be total socialists who fight for guaranteed housing, food, education, etc. for all. Don't tell me you care about abortion because "IT'S A LIFE!!!11!!!!!" and then bitch about taxes and boot straps.

[Mercer]

5 hours ago, AlysonRR said:

If the only reason for being anti-abortion is "the babies", the pro-life contingent would have jumped on board the better access and better contraception band wagon.

They would also be protesting heavily against the fertility industry, which is responsible for the creation, destruction, disposal, transfer with no significant hope of success, and/or indefinite storage of a vast number of embryos every year. You do occasionally hear peeps of concern about that from anti-choice groups, but it's very muted and rare, nowhere near the level of anger and rhetoric it would inspire if they were being truly consistent. But it's 1.) putting women in their "God-given role" of being mothers, and 2.) primarily limited to families with at least some financial means rather than the very poor, so those embryos just don't matter like pregnancies terminated by abortion do.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Just saw on Instagram that Derick's brother, Dan, just proposed to his girlfriend. She's a cute gal who is a Christian and wears shorts. This is a different girlfriend than the one we saw on the show, I don't think they've been together very long. 

[Arix]

21 minutes ago, NotALoserLikeYou said:

Just saw on Instagram that Derick's brother, Dan, just proposed to his girlfriend. She's a cute gal who is a Christian and wears shorts. This is a different girlfriend than the one we saw on the show, I don't think they've been together very long. 

Probably proposed so they can do the sex.

[SnazzyNazzy]

9 minutes ago, Arix said:

Probably proposed so they can do the sex.

Oh noes, not the sex.

[marmalade]

They've spent the week traversing Highway 1 in CA. I don't think they had chaperones, and likely didn't have separate hotel rooms (or would the Eagle Scout make her sleep in a separate tent)? 

The first pics I see of them together on either Instagram is at Christmas, at HER family's place. So, they had to be together for at least a few months for Dan to be welcomed to that gathering. But, how much longer? He did his baptism in late winter/early spring 2015; the old gf was long gone. From her insta, looks like he got himself a Cousin Amy type, but maybe minus the ducklips and booze.  If I were to hazard a guess, I'd go mainstream Southern Baptist, in his case, finding religion when his mother was healed (by Jesus, not doctors, of course).

[nastyhobbitses]

3 hours ago, NotALoserLikeYou said:

Just saw on Instagram that Derick's brother, Dan, just proposed to his girlfriend. She's a cute gal who is a Christian and wears shorts. This is a different girlfriend than the one we saw on the show, I don't think they've been together very long. 

I really want to watch Jill deal with a wedding that features BARE SHOULDERS and maybe DANCING. It would be like attending a Roman orgy.

[Purrl]

1 hour ago, marmalade said:

They've spent the week traversing Highway 1 in CA. I don't think they had chaperones, and likely didn't have separate hotel rooms (or would the Eagle Scout make her sleep in a separate tent)? 

<snip>

Am I the only one that always reads CA as Central America now instead of California???

[Ungodly Grandma]

On 7/14/2016 at 11:55 AM, Buzzard said:

Because you never know when a poor brown woman will appear seeking Jebus!  You have to be prepared to support her little blessing while you god bother!

If the Dillards didn't have a bumbo tp give her, she might have an abortion! They'll save a life!

[Ungodly Grandma]

On 7/14/2016 at 4:24 PM, VelociRapture said:

 

Alright, so I'm not good at snipping, or not this early in my day, sorry.

This is all sad, losing the hope is a blow. But what I picked out was, on Saturday your second trimester starts. It's Saturday, and this means a milestone for you! Very good, hope you are feeling well.