OMG, possible fundie in my backyard! Worth going?

[polecat]

22 minutes ago, samira_catlover said:

We kin haz links, plz???

>>ETA - this may be the first time the rescue ferrets have been asked to carry anti-nausea stuff.  They usually carry booze!<<

@Palimpsest: Number one, I don't think there's enough booze in the DC greater metro area to do the job! Anyway, I kinda LIKE my liver reasonably intact---those services this am were tough enough on my stomach.

 

 

 

I really thought I added a link, but I guess I didn't. Keep eyeball bleach handy. It's gross. (Also, check out the guy in the upper left. I think the poor man isn't sure what to do or where to look.)

 

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And eta: The reason no one got up and smacked him in his smarmy, filthy face and broke his shaft over his head is because even admitting you knew full well what he was doing was the same as saying you had a dirty mind. You'd have been castigated until the end of time for being a pervert while he'd have gotten off (literally!) because of COURSE he was innocent and so sin-free that such a thing NEVER crossed his mind. (GOD I hated the hypocrisy of that world).

[CyborgKin]

I'd send some of my anti-nausea meds, except I might need them myself.

[refugee]

From the original description, I was guessing Dave Ramsey. Then when I heard of the Hyles Anderson connection I shuddered. Stay safe.

That college really messed up some relations of mine.

[smittykins]

It's a good thing I'm not going.  I don't think I could stomach that without copious amounts of booze, and I don't even drink(family history of alcoholism).

[Palimpsest]

1 hour ago, samira_catlover said:

We kin haz links, plz???

>>ETA - this may be the first time the rescue ferrets have been asked to carry anti-nausea stuff.  They usually carry booze!<<

@Palimpsest: Number one, I don't think there's enough booze in the DC greater metro area to do the job! Anyway, I kinda LIKE my liver reasonably intact---those services this am were tough enough on my stomach.

My thoughts are with you as you undertake this dangerous assignment.

[warriorblade8857]

3 hours ago, samira_catlover said:

Hillary Clinton has GOT to be a total wimpy wuss: she had only 956,573 miles of travel as Secretary of State...over 4 years. Dr. Anderson said he typically does over 3 million miles a year.   Someone help me check my math!---3,000,000 divided by 350 (days a year: you've GOT to have a little time off), comes out as 8571.429 miles/day.  The air distance between NYC and Honolulu is 4959.39 miles;  NY to Vientiane, Laos is just under 8400 miles. Seems like you'd be LIVING on the airplane.... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/hillary-clinton-traveled-956-733-miles-during-her-time-as-secretary-of-state/272656/

That's complete bull. According to Wikipedia, commercial flights cruise along at a top speed 546-575 mph... which calculates to a 14.29-15 hour flight a day (not including slower speeds at take-off and landing). Basically, he's claiming to spend at least 18 hours of every single day of the year commuting. Not even commercial pilots or flight attendants fly that much. He is a lying liar.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_(aeronautics)

[gibbsgirls]

Hey Everyone,

@samira_catlover and I have returned from listening to this blowhard. It is late, and I am tired from listening to Dr. Anderson's drivel. First off he talks faster then anyone I know, so it was tough keeping up with my notes.  Plus, had so many rabbit trails and tangents that, I don't think, there was a ever a complete, concise thought.

There were  38 people in attendance that included 1 child; 2 teens; 1 pastor; 6 visitors (3 being men from a local Roman Catholic parish; I thought the pastor's eyes were going to bug out when they introduced themselves.)

Before Russell Anderson spoke, the pastor of the church lead us in singing, prayer and gave some brief announcements. One of which was sermon topic for the next few Sundays - Baptist History - It's Bloody History.  He stated (his words, not mine) that the Baptists were the only denomination to be hunted down, beaten and killed because of their beliefs.  OMFG! I almost stood up and said, "Bull shit!" and walked out. But as a subservient woman without my headship accompanying me, I kept my mouth shut.

My first impression of RA was that he likes to hear himself talk and likes to pat himself on the back. If he said, "I'm just an uneducated coal miner, but with the mind of Christ," once, he said it a dozen times. Also, "I have a business mind," quite a bit. Oy.

• He's a healer - woman wanted him to pray for her to have a baby; he would, but with conditions (raise baby in church 5x a week; 9 months 7 days woman has a baby boy
• Paid to open 10 Bible colleges (always refers to them as "my colleges."
• Helped a friend build a church that is worth $5million now
• Has bought 100's of buses for churches to "bring in the poor."
• Purchases groceries for "the poor." Accompanies local pastor while delivering said groceries to present the Gospel to the "poor mothers."
• God "allows" him "to make money to feed the poor." ("The poor" has to hear a Gospel presentation before the groceries are given out.)
• He compared himself to a medical doctor. He helps relieve people's suffering (by "saving" people though the Gospel; he prolongs/enhances life since the people are now "saved" and will have eternal life; and he "delivers babies" since these people are "born again and having a second birth."

He believes that every time you meet a person it is a "divine appointment." When the airline desk clerk asked about his reservation he turned it into his "reservation in heaven" and did she have a "reservation in heaven too."  He also cornered his cabin steward on a cruise every morning to preach to him that being Catholic is not good enough. When the cabin steward mentioned that his own brother was a priest, RA said he was a priest too quoting 1Peter 2:9.

When his business office mail payments for sends out bills he includes tracts. "Use every avenue you have to share the Gospel."

He seems to be a big developer of housing properties.  He not so fundy that he won't take a loan from a bank. He said that he presents is plans/ideas for development and the bank will back him. "I don't have any of my own money invested," was his statement.  When his property has appreciated enough and someone wants to buy it from him, he first gives the property to a church/worthy group and then, technically they sell it. They get the profit, he gets HUGE tax write offs. He threw out "I made $2.? million last year and had $7.? million in tax write offs."

Only real financial advice that seem to be applicable to the average person was instead of have a traditional will have your money/assets/home in a revocable trust. Because all attorneys are dishonest and greedy and probate takes years. I agree about the trust, not about the attorneys and probate. 

There is more to add, but I'm tired. Will post more tomorrow. Hopefully, @samira_catlover can throw her .02 in. We had such a fun time.

 

Edited for grammar. I'm sure there are more errors and riffles too. But I don't care right now.

[16strong]

Thanks for the outreach! This nutjob sounds like Elmer Gantry.

[samira_catlover]

43 minutes ago, 16strong said:

Thanks for the outreach! This nutjob sounds like Elmer Gantry.

Gantry was a blessed, well-spoken, articulate and well-learned saint in comparison..... we're back safe, but I'd be SOOO happy if someone could put a Rescue Ferret on late assignment with a triple dose of stomach-soothing medications. (Already had concentrated sugar, ice cream, and ginger ale!)

[EyeQueue]

7 hours ago, polecat said:

I really thought I added a link, but I guess I didn't. Keep eyeball bleach handy. It's gross. (Also, check out the guy in the upper left. I think the poor man isn't sure what to do or where to look.)

 

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And eta: The reason no one got up and smacked him in his smarmy, filthy face and broke his shaft over his head is because even admitting you knew full well what he was doing was the same as saying you had a dirty mind. You'd have been castigated until the end of time for being a pervert while he'd have gotten off (literally!) because of COURSE he was innocent and so sin-free that such a thing NEVER crossed his mind. (GOD I hated the hypocrisy of that world).

OK, WTF is he even talking about if he's not talking about masturbating?!?

How to polish a shaft? Is that even a thing? I don't get it.

[MarblesMom]

I lasted about 20 seconds into the video and "noped out."  So odd.

[molecule]

I watched it with the sound off...yikes.

[VanillaBean]

That. Was. Awesome.

[EyeQueue]

Seriously. Those of you who watched the whole thing, what was he talking about? STDs? What? I'm baffled.

[ALM7]

8 hours ago, polecat said:

I really thought I added a link, but I guess I didn't. Keep eyeball bleach handy. It's gross. (Also, check out the guy in the upper left. I think the poor man isn't sure what to do or where to look.)

 

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And eta: The reason no one got up and smacked him in his smarmy, filthy face and broke his shaft over his head is because even admitting you knew full well what he was doing was the same as saying you had a dirty mind. You'd have been castigated until the end of time for being a pervert while he'd have gotten off (literally!) because of COURSE he was innocent and so sin-free that such a thing NEVER crossed his mind. (GOD I hated the hypocrisy of that world).

I'm speechless.  

To bolded: Why on earth is this tolerated, I don't understand the mind-set, what makes them this way to begin with?

I turned on the volume while viewing the video, my SO walked by and said, is that porn or something.  Blushing, I explained it's a preacher and he is polishing something.  She said...hummm okay, then laughed.  I told her to look at it, it really is a preacher!  She said, well even more reason to be an atheist.  

[polecat]

6 hours ago, EyeQueue said:

OK, WTF is he even talking about if he's not talking about masturbating?!?

How to polish a shaft? Is that even a thing? I don't get it.

 

The sermon was based on a verse in Isaiah about polishing an arrow. But he is definitely deliberately referring to masturbation just to be provocative. Turning the sound off -- his facial expressions and gestures are unmistakable. And just to squick you out even more -- that was at a *youth conference*. The man is utterly debauched.

The whole innocence thing was just so overdone. My mom would do that all the time. Someone would refer to something, anything benign, like, say, Elton John, and she'd say, "Oh, I have NO idea who that even IS." Because, you know, she was just that removed from the world and everything in it. Ah, fundyism. It's grand.

 

@samira_catlover and @gibbsgirls -- you two are brave for going without your headships! No, really, thanks for putting yourselves out there and sitting in on all this nonsense for the team!

[Gobsmacked]

13 hours ago, polecat said:

I really thought I added a link, but I guess I didn't. Keep eyeball bleach handy. It's gross. (Also, check out the guy in the upper left. I think the poor man isn't sure what to do or where to look.)

 

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And eta: The reason no one got up and smacked him in his smarmy, filthy face and broke his shaft over his head is because even admitting you knew full well what he was doing was the same as saying you had a dirty mind. You'd have been castigated until the end of time for being a pervert while he'd have gotten off (literally!) because of COURSE he was innocent and so sin-free that such a thing NEVER crossed his mind. (GOD I hated the hypocrisy of that world).

I have just listened to the video with the picture off. It sounds so creepy. In fact it could be part of a story line from criminal minds. that man is way beyond bonkers.

I would love to know what a good psychiatrist could tell us about that man. Sorry I can't type his name. Don't want my phone sullied.

No words except yuk and double yuk.

PS

if any one borrows the rescue ferrets for this rabbit hole, please let them wear headphones with nice music. Don't want them to hear him.

[Palimpsest]

My hat is off to you both @samira_catlover and @gibbsgirls!  Thank you so much

15 hours ago, samira_catlover said:

More tasty tidbits!

• Hillary Clinton has GOT to be a total wimpy wuss: she had only 956,573 miles of travel as Secretary of State...over 4 years. Dr. Anderson said he typically does over 3 million miles a year.   Someone help me check my math!---3,000,000 divided by 350 (days a year: you've GOT to have a little time off), comes out as 8571.429 miles/day.  The air distance between NYC and Honolulu is 4959.39 miles;  NY to Vientiane, Laos is just under 8400 miles. Seems like you'd be LIVING on the airplane.... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/hillary-clinton-traveled-956-733-miles-during-her-time-as-secretary-of-state/272656/
•  The 11 am was modestly attended--maybe 50-60 people (rather than the 30 or so earlier; church holds maybe 100 in my guess).  Since it's Mother's Day in the US, of course he had to make appropriate comments.  Proverbs 31? Mary's willingness to submit to God's will? Righteous and pious mothers like Hannah, Jochebed, Elizabeth?----naaaahhhh. Lots of talk about being obedient to God and how David and Solomon were blessed as a result.
• Oh, and while praising mommies for all the work they had done for years--we found out that if Mom gave you one set of clean clothes every day, by the time you were 10, she'd have provided over 11,000 changes for you. [sic] He repeated this...twice.

He's not very good at arithmetic and very good at exaggeration!  I'm surprised he has been so successful in business.

Is this an IFB Church?  I'd like to check out their webpage.  I wonder what their average attendance is.

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• The 2 presentations were somewhat different.  Ten am was in place of Sunday School, and there was a LOT more talk about money and how God had blessed him and stuff.

This is very prosperity theology.

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• They're supporting over 250 "Bible scholars" in full-time evangelism (sounds like a good 40-hr week or more) in Mexico (about 83% Roman Catholic, 8% Protestant)  and in the Philippines (about 87% RC, 3% Protestant). Despite this formidable opposition, those students are averaging over 4,000 people saved per DAY. Say a 250-day work year (to allow for their own studies, travel time, chores, etc.)---that comes to a million people saved per year---those kids are averaging 4,000 converts EACH per year. Grifter John Shrader must be soooooooo jealous.

Using your estimation of a 250 day work year - that is 16 people a day.  Not only John Shrader will be green with envy - I think he might have managed 16 people in 2 years - but I think the Dillards have been left in the dust too.  How long has he been supporting all these Bible scholars?

Come to think of it - perhaps this guy bought John Shrader the famous disappearing plane!

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• He also said Mexico City was the largest in the world in terms of people. According to the 2007 stats, it's actually 5th (17.4 million).  Tokyo/Yokohama is nearly twice as big at 33.2 million, followed by New York Metro, Sao Paulo, Seoul/Inchon. http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-population-125.html  SOTDRT geography fail, maybe?

He stinks at geography as well as maths. Did you notice anyone rolling their eyes or was the congregation lapping up every word?

[Palimpsest]

I'm glad you two had fun together.  It's always a great to have someone with you to keep hold of your sanity.

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There were  38 people in attendance that included 1 child; 2 teens; 1 pastor; 6 visitors (3 being men from a local Roman Catholic parish; I thought the pastor's eyes were going to bug out when they introduced themselves.)

This is hilarious! I wonder if they'd heard about the earlier service. Did they make you all introduce yourselves?  I hate that.

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Before Russell Anderson spoke, the pastor of the church lead us in singing, prayer and gave some brief announcements. One of which was sermon topic for the next few Sundays - Baptist History - It's Bloody History.  He stated (his words, not mine) that the Baptists were the only denomination to be hunted down, beaten and killed because of their beliefs.  OMFG! I almost stood up and said, "Bull shit!" and walked out. But as a subservient woman without my headship accompanying me, I kept my mouth shut.

This sounds like the Trail of Blood (J.M.Carroll) myth.  John Shrader is very into that stuff too.

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My first impression of RA was that he likes to hear himself talk and likes to pat himself on the back. If he said, "I'm just an uneducated coal miner, but with the mind of Christ," once, he said it a dozen times. Also, "I have a business mind," quite a bit. Oy.

He's ... not very modest ... is he?

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• He's a healer - woman wanted him to pray for her to have a baby; he would, but with conditions (raise baby in church 5x a week; 9 months 7 days woman has a baby boy
• Paid to open 10 Bible colleges (always refers to them as "my colleges."
• Helped a friend build a church that is worth $5million now
• Has bought 100's of buses for churches to "bring in the poor."
• Purchases groceries for "the poor." Accompanies local pastor while delivering said groceries to present the Gospel to the "poor mothers."
• God "allows" him "to make money to feed the poor." ("The poor" has to hear a Gospel presentation before the groceries are given out.)
• He compared himself to a medical doctor. He helps relieve people's suffering (by "saving" people though the Gospel; he prolongs/enhances life since the people are now "saved" and will have eternal life; and he "delivers babies" since these people are "born again and having a second birth."

He believes that every time you meet a person it is a "divine appointment."

Actually, "mind of Christ" nothing.  He seems to believe that he is Christ!

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When his business office mail payments for sends out bills he includes tracts. "Use every avenue you have to share the Gospel."

I think of this as "Dead Tree Theology."  Perhaps he could hire David Rodrigues?

 

8 hours ago, gibbsgirls said:

He seems to be a big developer of housing properties.  He not so fundy that he won't take a loan from a bank. He said that he presents is plans/ideas for development and the bank will back him. "I don't have any of my own money invested," was his statement.  When his property has appreciated enough and someone wants to buy it from him, he first gives the property to a church/worthy group and then, technically they sell it. They get the profit, he gets HUGE tax write offs. He threw out "I made $2.? million last year and had $7.? million in tax write offs."

Only real financial advice that seem to be applicable to the average person was instead of have a traditional will have your money/assets/home in a revocable trust. Because all attorneys are dishonest and greedy and probate takes years. I agree about the trust, not about the attorneys and probate. 

There is more to add, but I'm tired. Will post more tomorrow. Hopefully, @samira_catlover can throw her .02 in. We had such a fun time.

Edited for grammar. I'm sure there are more errors and riffles too. But I don't care right now.

The "Debt Free" Fundyism comes through the Jim Sammon seminars that are big with IBLP/ATI types, many IFB, and the Maxwells.  Not all Fundies believe in living debt free and, in fact, it is probably an impossible goal for most.

This guy sounds like an utter asshole!  Thanks so much for going and taking the time to write up your thoughts so well and comprehensively.

 

[polecat]

1 hour ago, polecat said:

The sermon was based on a verse in Isaiah about polishing an arrow. But he is definitely deliberately referring to masturbation just to be provocative. Turning the sound off -- his facial expressions and gestures are unmistakable. And just to squick you out even more -- that was at a *youth conference*. The man is utterly debauched.

The whole innocence thing was just so overdone. My mom would do that all the time. Someone would refer to something, anything benign, like, say, Elton John, and she'd say, "Oh, I have NO idea who that even IS." Because, you know, she was just that removed from the world and everything in it. Ah, fundyism. It's grand.

 

@samira_catlover and @gibbsgirls -- you two are brave for going without your headships! No, really, thanks for putting yourselves out there and sitting in on all this nonsense for the team!

 

Oh, and quoting my own post for a somewhat recent example of this! I'm not sure if anyone remembers the rapey vodka ad from a few years ago. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/25/belvedere-vodka-rape-ad_n_1377975.html I posted about it on Facebook, and one of my fundy friends posted back that he'd never had taken it that way, something about the mind of Christ thinking no evil. Okay, dude.This is probably why so many child molesters and abusers in the church get away with it. It's easier to turn a blind eye because all these holier-than-thou types are busy turning a blind eye and "thinking no evil." It's only us worldly types who see evil around every corner. 

 

(Sorry for sort of thread-jacking here.)

 

[samira_catlover]

Whoops, sorry@albanuadh_1 (excuse me?--are you Gaelic)---quote function messed up, please stand down.

I was disappointed there wasn't more solid info on responsible financial stewardship---expected the parable of the talents. There was no mentioning about the importance of checking to make sure your charities are solid and transparent (luvvzzzz you lots, Charity Navigator!), or day-by-day tips on multiplying your charity money. (Like "coupon insanely, and all the money you save goes to a food bank"). Heck, from reading Michelle Singletary in WaPost (Color of Money), it seems a lot of people don't realize how fast you can reduce interest by paying even a couple extra dollars on mortgages. Even references on cool make-your-own-cheaper-and-better sites would have been great for folks that can't handle hundreds of thousands worth of rental properties.

Don't recall in any of the three services General Prayer for the people of the world (for healing, compassion, peace, freedom, knowledge, etc.). Think they might have been a little scared of the "J" word. (No, not "Jesus"---"Justice".) Announcements about Bible study and soul-winning and learning history, but nothing for social action. (Although, to be fair, it's a smallish congregation---guess the church seats maybe 100--and they've apparently been doing a lot of renovation work, so the parish might be a little overstrained in terms of providing hands for stream cleanup or Christmas in April projects.)

But we DID get a Pwem read to us, which my BFF Google has obligingly provided: "Walk a Little Plainer, Daddy". Why this showed up on MOTHER'S Day is wayyy beyond me, but please enjoy:

Walk A Little Plainer,
Daddy

Walk a little plainer, Daddy,
Said a little boy so frail.
I'm following in your footsteps,
And I don't want to fail.
Sometimes your steps are very plain,
Sometimes they are hard to see,
So walk a little plainer, Daddy,
For you are leading me.

I know that once you walked this way
Many years ago,
And what you did along the way,
I'd really like to know.
For sometimes when I am tempted,
I don't know what to do.
So walk a little plainer, Daddy,
For I must follow you.

Someday when I'm grown up,
You are like I want to be.
Then I will have a little boy,
Who will want to follow me.
And I would want to lead him right,
And help him to be true.
So walk a little plainer, Daddy.
For we must follow you.

Author Unknown

[Baabaablacksheep]

Speaking of Jack Schaap - not only is he a oervert who had sex with a minor, now new allegations that he may have been part of a Ponzi scheme. http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/first-baptist-church-sued-in-investment-scheme/article_069b4bf9-21d7-5995-a11f-0ddc7de34f0c.html

[quiversR4hunting]

12 hours ago, gibbsgirls said:

(3 being men from a local Roman Catholic parish; I thought the pastor's eyes were going to bug out when they introduced themselves.)

Thank you @gibbsgirls & @samira_catlover for covering this event for all of us!

I really, really want to know what the local Catholic men thought about it. I wonder if they have a blog (doubt it, doesn't seem like mainstream Catholic's blog specifically about religion, or I am not looking in the right places) and will do a recap. I also wonder what prompted them to attend the shin dig.

[samira_catlover]

The men indicated they were active in Knights of Columbus and had been able to raise something like 40K USD with bingo; think they said something like we're always looking for more ways to help fundraise or stretch money. Considering the pamphlet rack in the lobby had a booklet that seemed to be anti-lottery, I suspect the bingo mention caused a bit of heartburn....

[quiversR4hunting]

5 minutes ago, samira_catlover said:

The men indicated they were active in Knights of Columbus and had been able to raise something like 40K USD with bingo; think they said something like we're always looking for more ways to help fundraise or stretch money. Considering the pamphlet rack in the lobby had a booklet that seemed to be anti-lottery, I suspect the bingo mention caused a bit of heartburn....

love it!

As for heart-burn- I bet the speaker will describe it as "the devil burning inside their chests"