UPDATED: Josh Duggar Part 13 - No longer missing, Still a Jerk

[Sundaymorning]

20 minutes ago, doubleT said:

Even though he is scum, I do hope that Josh has learned some useful "tools" in his time away from his family at the Christian rehab place and that he can be the husband and dad that he needs to be.   I only hope for this for the sake of Anna and the M kids.  I hope Smugs realizes what all he put at risk with his cheating and looking at porn.   (Even though I think he knew that Anna would not leave him.  Ug.) 

I highly doubt that. Maybe if he went to a legit rehab, then yes. But this cult-brainwashing program? No way, we can be glad if he didn't learn any new harmful stuff. For him to learn any useful "tools", which would truly benefit his wife and his children (and not only him), they would basically have to revise their whole ideology. I really don't see that happening anytime soon.

[hollywood]

Ugh. Douche canoe.

[iweartanktops]

I don't expect any kind of long term or genuine change from Josh. In my experience, when one leaves home for any type of rehabilitation* even when they are actually committed to change, returning to their original environment doesn't often end with success.

In mainstream society and legitimate rehab, often the individual's family receives some therapy as well. I see these families as a puzzle. When one piece is removed, and undergoes changes, that piece is now shaped differently. When you try to put the piece back into the puzzle, it doesn't fit any longer, unless the other pieces have changed, too. 

I'm not sure if I'm expressing my thoughts well or not, but basically, even in the best of circumstances, returning home can be extremely difficult. In Josh's situation, we aren't even sure if he believes any what he's been taught the last several months (not to mention, his entire life). If he's truly returning home to attempt to toe the line, I don't think it's going to work for long. 

This entire situation is terribly sad. Anna would be better off with someone who shares her values and truly loves her. Josh would benefit from leaving and living the life he desires, openly. 

*using the term loosely regarding RU

[ksgranola1]

The Smugger's won't fit in GM Mary's little house. If they don't move into the pool house, I'm sure they will move into the house they bought in Rogers.If there was a tenant, I'm sure they had time to give them notice, so it should be available.

I think A/J use NFP. Just from little things she's said. She might have had a complication w/her pregnancy w/Meredith that meant she had to abstain. At any rate, hopefully they will slow the baby train down until they get some time under their belt.

[quiverofdoubt]

8 minutes ago, Sundaymorning said:

I highly doubt that. Maybe if he went to a legit rehab, then yes. But this cult-brainwashing program? No way, we can be glad if he didn't learn any new harmful stuff. For him to learn any useful "tools", which would truly benefit his wife and his children (and not only him), they would basically have to revise their whole ideology. I really don't see that happening anytime soon.

From the stories at recovering grace i'm thinking there are only two clear cut options after 6 months of indoctrination.  either it worked, and josh is back in the gothard fold, repenting to jesus and ready to be a respectable gothard man again.  OR he's lost his beliefs, realizes the place is hogwash and abusive and not in any way healthy or normal, and is faking his way through.  I don't think you can have a middle ground where you kind of believe the teachings, you kind of take on the mentality. I think he's either faking it till he can grab a chance to make a break and change his ideology entirely, or he's back in the fold.  

It all depends on how effective the program was, and how much the secular world made an impact on josh.  I'm thinking the program will win.

[Jana814]

1 hour ago, vienna said:

Anna will always put her kid´s needs before her own. The Problem is that she believes that staying with Josh is the best for her Kids. I fear that no matter how bad Josh treats her, this believe (Divores = Horror for Kids) won´t go away.

She will also put Josh's needs before her own. I'm sure she has done it before.  

[QuiverDance]

1 hour ago, nickelodeon said:

How come they swap houses so much in this fam? Moving is such a pain in the glutes, I can't see how they do it seemingly every other week.

Built in slave labor.

[hollywood]

Well, it won't be long now before we get a photo someone took of him from far away while he is in the yard. Eventually he has to go outside and join Bin as JB's yard bitch.

[luv2laugh]

After the scandal broke with he Duggars, it was funny to think about their return but now, it's not funny anymore. This is kind of like Trump. At first, when Trump announced he was running, it was all fun and games, but now it's not funny anymore, it's serious and scary.... the same with the return of the Duggars.

[Sweet Fellowship]

I wonder what this "professional counselling" Smugs is having now he's out of Jesus jail? I don't believe for one moment that he's seeing a legit therapist. Knowing the Duggars, it could be good ol' fashioned praying about it and having Josh do some yard work with Bin Bob.

[Glasgowghirl]

As much as I hate what Josh did, I hope for the sake of his wife and kids. He can find work and away to support them.

[SassyPants]

1 hour ago, ksgranola1 said:

The Smugger's won't fit in GM Mary's little house. If they don't move into the pool house, I'm sure they will move into the house they bought in Rogers.If there was a tenant, I'm sure they had time to give them notice, so it should be available.

I think A/J use NFP. Just from little things she's said. She might have had a complication w/her pregnancy w/Meredith that meant she had to abstain. At any rate, hopefully they will slow the baby train down until they get some time under their belt.

What house in Rodgers?

I know the Smuggars had purchased a home in Sloccum Springs (in Jan 2015,IIRC) and then sold it right before the AM scandal was relieved last August.

 

[Buzzard]

14 minutes ago, Glasgowghirl said:

As much as I hate what Josh did, I hope for the sake of his wife and kids. He can find work and away to support them.

He has a way to support them, its called "TLC."  The Duggars are a brand and, like the 3 musketeers, are "all for one, one for all."  They will support him and his family and I'm quite sure the leg humpers will be sending "love offerings" in no time. 

[Catholic and NOT 'ebil']

The tension has got to be beyond thick at the TTH. Can't make me believe it was a joyous homecoming. Poor Sierra Jo probably didn't even get to throw another joke of a party, much as she no doubt wanted to. 

Anna has got to be sick to her stomach! She may say all of the 'right things,' act the 'right way,' and physically not recoil at the sight of Smuggs but there isn't a doubt in my mind that no amount of brainwashing can rid her of the feeling deep in her soul that she deserves better than the treatment she has and is receiving from Josh and the Duggars. Anna may push those feelings deeper and attempt to ignore them but those thoughts will remain, imho. 

 

[anotherone]

I still don't understand what he is supposedly in counseling for.  So it was for having an affair?  Then both spouses should be in marriage counseling.  Is it to try to suppress natural desires?  If you have an affair typically you're just a jerk, not necessarily needing rehab.  Now most likely he is damaged, but not because he had an affair,  it was long before that. I just think it's so weird that there is rehab for having an affair.  Especially for someone from his background, you'd think it was a long time coming.  Also, the way JB brushed off incest because it was common, how come they didn't brush off affairs because it was common in their circles?  I thought all those fundie leaders had affairs.

[ClaraOswin]

1 minute ago, anotherone said:

I still don't understand what he is supposedly in counseling for.  So it was for having an affair?  Then both spouses should be in marriage counseling.  Is it to try to suppress natural desires?  If you have an affair typically you're just a jerk, not necessarily needing rehab.  Now most likely he is damaged, but not because he had an affair,  it was long before that. I just think it's so weird that there is rehab for having an affair.  Especially for someone from his background, you'd think it was a long time coming.  Also, the way JB brushed off incest because it was common, how come they didn't brush off affairs because it was common in their circles?  I thought all those fundie leaders had affairs.

I think part of it is that he has a "porn addiction." Though I wouldn't be surprised if his "addiction" is just some occasional porn watching.

[Hera]

He went to rehab to get re-brainwashed because clearly his programming had a glitch.  

I suppose we'll see how well it worked.  I personally have my doubts.  If 20-odd years of JB and M couldn't do it, I don't think 6 months of RU can, especially now that the "goal" of getting married and having a quiver clearly didn't do it for him. 

[CorruptionInc.]

4 minutes ago, ClaraOswin said:

I think part of it is that he has a "porn addiction." Though I wouldn't be surprised if his "addiction" is just some occasional porn watching.

Not to mention (as long as it does not involve minors) is perfectly normal for men and women to watch from time to time!!

[devoutjedi]

So, the Pig has been released from the PrayPen. Bummer.

[Chickenbutt]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the dude that married Jessa and Ben do some premarital counseling with them? Maybe he is the "counselor" that Josh will be seeing. I can also see Anna being drug to couples counseling, just to make her aware of reinforce her "duties" so this doesn't happen again.

[ClaraOswin]

I still think if they do couples counseling...they'll go to these two http://www.noblecall.org/

[Howl]

On 3/3/2016 at 11:16 PM, Hera said:

How unfortunate to be the child conceived during a conjugal visit while your father was in Prayhab (TM) for having at least 1 dating site profile and 2 cheating site profiles, one with a money back guarantee! 

Oh, please, please please make In Prayhab (TM) a post count! 

[Cleopatra7]

Since we live in a world where video game addiction is a thing (there are state rehab facilities in China for video game addiction and there have even been cases of parents neglecting their youg children to death because they were too busy playing online games), I can see how porn addiction could be real. Howrver, I don't think Josh and all the fundie men who claim to be addicted to porn really are; when you define "lusting in your heart" as adultery, it's hard to have a healthy view of sex. In the case of Josh, he married too young, for the wrong reasons, and possibly even to the wrong woman. I think he saw marriage as a way to have sex in the way God wants, not as a serious lifetime commitment that entails being an adult and not always getting your own way. It's also clear that Josh is simply a jerk, and Bible study and manual labor isn't going to change that. The fact that he got an AM account so early in the marriage suggests that he got bored of Anna quickly. I don't think RU, his parents, or Anna will/have addressed that fact. If Josh just fundamentally wants to have sex with people who aren't Anna, Jesus Rehab isn't going to fix that.

[Sundaymorning]

54 minutes ago, CorruptionInc. said:

Not to mention (as long as it does not involve minors) is perfectly normal for men and women to watch from time to time!!

The irony is that Joshgate contains a mix of different things:

Normal behaviour, like watching porn (as long as it's among consenting adults)

Classic douche bag behaviour which isn't rehab-worthy, like cheating on his wife

Really serious issues which stem from an abusive cult-upbringing, like a completely twisted mindset regarding basically all important life matters including marriage and the role of women in general

And for which of these three things did they send Joshley to prayhab (TM) for? Mainly for his "porn addiction" and a bit for cheating.

Congrats Duggars, you really know what's important!!!

 

[JenniferJuniper]

1 hour ago, Hera said:

He went to rehab to get re-brainwashed because clearly his programming had a glitch.   

That, plus the fact that the family needed him out of the way while they worked on the brand.    Now they ever so conveniently "release" him just days before the new show is to start which guarantees more publicity for them.  Can't get much more manipulative than that.

I don't even think the Duggars are really even fundie anymore.  They're just Reality Show Whores,  no different than the Roloffs or the Sister Wives.