UPDATED: Josh Duggar Part 13 - No longer missing, Still a Jerk

[Georgiana]

53 minutes ago, sawasdee said:

I feel sorry for all of them.  I don't think Josh was a porn addict - I think he was a fairly normal 20 something who had never been allowed to have usually accepted outlets, and was curious as hell about what was out there.  He was married off to someone he barely knew, and basically told to breed.

Anna was in almost the same boat - married to a guy she knew damn all about and told to reproduce. Both of them have been denied agency in their own lives, and the truly sad thing is they are now bringing a third generation into this clusterfuck.

All I can say, is I don't like any of them, but my reaction is  - poor sods.

I agree.  I dated a man that was a WONDERFUL person.  Really great.  But sexually, we were as incompatible as possible, and eventually I found that even though I really cared about this guy, I couldn't deny that I had needs that he really wasn't meeting.  

I had the ability to end it and find a more compatible partner.  Josh and Anna don't.  I feel for them both.

[Queen Of Hearts]

What happened to Jill's old McMansion?  Maybe Josh and family will move in there? Or the Dowell St. house?

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, quiverofdoubt said:

"professional"  = a church elder or someone similar. another gothardite for sure. who helps josh rid himself of satan. in no way is he getting legit secular therapy. it'll just be a continuation of jesus jail.  if he gets any at all.  that message was for sure to appease the public. 

I concur with this guess.  

But I will say that even if he just has to go to pray therapy, the effect in the short run will not be bad.  Josh's rehab included a lot of guilt and re-indoctrination, but it also has offered him hope of reintegration into his society.  

I think that long term the counseling he and Anna will get Is not going to do much good, but in the short run it may help Josh and Anna reconnect on some level.  Especially if they really believe it will work, it may draw them closer, at least initially.

We shouldn't expect a big crisis or new scandal from Josh soon.  If he made it through prayer prison, he can make it on parole.

[quiverofdoubt]

1 minute ago, EmCatlyn said:

I concur with this guess.  

But I will say that even if he just has to go to pray therapy, the effect in the short run will not be bad.  Josh's rehab included a lot of guilt and re-indoctrination, but it also has offered him hope of reintegration into his society.  

I think that long term the counseling he and Anna will get Is not going to do much good, but in the short run it may help Josh and Anna reconnect on some level.  Especially if they really believe it will work, it may draw them closer, at least initially.

We shouldn't expect a big crisis or new scandal from Josh soon.  If he made it through prayer prison, he can make it on parole.

I do believe anna's "counseling" will mostly involve guilt.  Look at how they handle rape/molestation victims.  Not friendly to women.  I feel for her, no women should be psychologically abused like that. I agree if they keep the "therapy's" and prayer/belief system consistent, at least they can try to go on as normal, and reconnect through those beliefs.  Though I'm not really sure how much josh believes any more- i think it depends on how well he was re-programmed in the last six months.

I don't expect a big scandal from him right away. If nothing else he probably learned a lesson in not getting caught.

[QuiverDance]

And the blame/abuse game is so insidious because it is couched in concern and prayerful holiness.  It makes me sick. 

[Quivering Uterus]

I'm only guessing, but yes, when the newness (if you can call it that ) is going to wear off. He won't be saxy anymore, and she may feel more and more repulsed.

 

That and "re-hab hangover" is a biotch. - All fun and games, fav foods etc., for the first few days, and then...shizzle's about to be no fun and terribly real.

[Jana814]

1 hour ago, biblelandjunkie said:

I am confused I guess...doesn't Jess & Ben live in Grandma Marys house?   

I think she has several homes that she rents out. 

[EmCatlyn]

2 minutes ago, quiverofdoubt said:

I do believe anna's "counseling" will mostly involve guilt.  Look at how they handle rape/molestation victims.  Not friendly to women.  I feel for her, no women should be psychologically abused like that. I agree if they keep the "therapy's" and prayer/belief system consistent, at least they can try to go on as normal, and reconnect through those beliefs.  Though I'm not really sure how much josh believes any more- i think it depends on how well he was re-programmed in the last six months.

I don't expect a big scandal from him right away. If nothing else he probably learned a lesson in not getting caught.

Totally agree that their counseling is not friendly to women, but I think they have already done the "guilt" part on Anna.  Josh's counseling has also focused on guilt (in his case because he is guilty). What they most need now, which either religious or secular therapy could give them, is guidance communicating and dealing with each other.  Let's hope the get it.

In addition, Anna needs to be told that it is ok not to trust Josh (and Duggar statements  on the show promos suggest she will be told that). Josh needs to be told that Anna is doing the right thing when she follows instructions from others and restricts his access to the Internet or whatever. And both of them need to be reinforced in their commitment to working together to get past this stage in their relationship.  

Someone I cared about deeply was in rehab some years ago.  It took a couple of years for everyone connected to relax around this person and for him/her to trust us again.  With or without therapy, it will take time.  

[nickelodeon]

How come they swap houses so much in this fam? Moving is such a pain in the glutes, I can't see how they do it seemingly every other week.

[Mela99]

I give TLC a week before they're shipping a primetime special for him to blubber and beg forgiveness from his wife and family. 

[EmCatlyn]

3 minutes ago, Mela99 said:

I give TLC a week before they're shipping a primetime special for him to blubber and beg forgiveness from his wife and family. 

Oh, I think they will take longer than a week.  Maybe a whole two weeks? 

[Coy Koi]

5 hours ago, withaj said:

I'm really tired of this speculation. At any rate, Anna's intervals between pregnancies indicate she doesn't have the hyper-fertility to conceive immediately.

I don't think the intervals between her pregnancies necessarily tell us much about her fertility. We know Josh didn't want a billion kids, so he could have been limiting sex with her. Now, if he's watched carefully enough that he can have no other sexual outlet, it's possible that could change. (I'm not sure he would have the self-control to avoid sex with a woman sleeping next to him, even with all his extracurricular activities, but I think it's a possibility.)

[Denim Jumper]

1 hour ago, sawasdee said:

I feel sorry for all of them.  I don't think Josh was a porn addict - I think he was a fairly normal 20 something who had never been allowed to have usually accepted outlets, and was curious as hell about what was out there.  He was married off to someone he barely knew, and basically told to breed.

Anna was in almost the same boat - married to a guy she knew damn all about and told to reproduce. Both of them have been denied agency in their own lives, and the truly sad thing is they are now bringing a third generation into this clusterfuck.

All I can say, is I don't like any of them, but my reaction is  - poor sods.

Added to that, Josh probably had some very unrealistic expectations of much lovin' he'd still be getting after they had a few babies. By the time he was old enough to be aware of the fact that his parents were having sweet sweet fellowship whenever the mood struck JB (probably daily, as JB had nothing else to do all day anyway), there were already enough J'slaves to take care of the littles while Michelle had to lay back and think of Arkansas.

Josh and Anna, on the other hand, found themselves having to live like the rest of us do: just the two of them on their own, outnumbered by very young children and the relentless responsibilities that accompany them. It's a hell of a lot harder to get some on the regular when there is no Grandma or Auntie nearby to babysit now and then. My husband and I collectively refer to our children as The Cockblockers, because even now that they're a getting older, it's still tough to get some "adult nap time" because there is always someone awake, or crying, or puking, or knocking on our door telling us that we are "being inappropriate". We're able to laugh it off (and wake each other up in the middle of the night if need be) because our foundation is a lot stronger than Josh and Anna's. But, for a young man who essentially got married so he could have sex... what else is there during those dry spells?

[Jingerbread]

Oh boy. http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-leaves-rehab

[Carol]

I know this is going against the majority thinking here, but I see some steeliness in Anna now that I hadn't acknowledged before.  Her face looks different...more resolve and a new, "don't fuck with me, Josh" attitude.  I think that if he continues to screw up she will put her children first and ask him to leave.  Unfortunately her eyes have been opened abruptly, and I suspect she'll discover her love for her children supersedes her love for Josh.  JMO.

[CoveredInBees]

27 minutes ago, nickelodeon said:

How come they swap houses so much in this fam? Moving is such a pain in the glutes, I can't see how they do it seemingly every other week.

They've been conditioned to have no belongings so everything is interchangeable.... clothes, houses, money. 

It's all one big cult, kneel down and praise Jim Bob.

[Sundaymorning]

49 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

I concur with this guess.  

But I will say that even if he just has to go to pray therapy, the effect in the short run will not be bad.  Josh's rehab included a lot of guilt and re-indoctrination, but it also has offered him hope of reintegration into his society.  

I think that long term the counseling he and Anna will get Is not going to do much good, but in the short run it may help Josh and Anna reconnect on some level.  Especially if they really believe it will work, it may draw them closer, at least initially.

We shouldn't expect a big crisis or new scandal from Josh soon.  If he made it through prayer prison, he can make it on parole.

I agree that the whole public backlash of the scandal and the "rehab" might have scared Joshley enough behave for a while and toe the line. But the question is: for how long?

The basic problems and reasons, which lead to Joshley's appalling actions, most likely weren't even discussed in "rehab" and certainly won't go away magically. Even if Josh is now able to ignore them and push them away, they remain, and once the daily grind sets in, they will probably reappear on the surface.

[ElegantMajesticPearls]

1 hour ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

What happened to Jill's old McMansion?  Maybe Josh and family will move in there? Or the Dowell St. house?

IIRC that house was (is?) on the market as a commercial property

[CharityBear]

35 minutes ago, nickelodeon said:

How come they swap houses so much in this fam? Moving is such a pain in the glutes, I can't see how they do it seemingly every other week.

It's a pain for us normal people because we have jobs and lives. The Duggar lives are so boring that they probably look forward to moving people's shit from one house to another every other week. 

[doubleT]

Even though he is scum, I do hope that Josh has learned some useful "tools" in his time away from his family at the Christian rehab place and that he can be the husband and dad that he needs to be.   I only hope for this for the sake of Anna and the M kids.  I hope Smugs realizes what all he put at risk with his cheating and looking at porn.   (Even though I think he knew that Anna would not leave him.  Ug.) 

[lascuba]

33 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

Oh, I think they will take longer than a week.  Maybe a whole two weeks? 

Nah, it's going to be the big season finale, clips of which they'll tease viewers with all season.

[wotdancer]

43 minutes ago, nickelodeon said:

How come they swap houses so much in this fam? Moving is such a pain in the glutes, I can't see how they do it seemingly every other week.

They also have eleventy spawn slaves to move it all!

[vienna]

25 minutes ago, Carol said:

I know this is going against the majority thinking here, but I see some steeliness in Anna now that I hadn't acknowledged before.  Her face looks different...more resolve and a new, "don't fuck with me, Josh" attitude.  I think that if he continues to screw up she will put her children first and ask him to leave.  Unfortunately her eyes have been opened abruptly, and I suspect she'll discover her love for her children supersedes her love for Josh.  JMO.

Anna will always put her kid´s needs before her own. The Problem is that she believes that staying with Josh is the best for her Kids. I fear that no matter how bad Josh treats her, this believe (Divores = Horror for Kids) won´t go away.

[EmCatlyn]

14 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Nah, it's going to be the big season finale, clips of which they'll tease viewers with all season.

Right. But they will start filming in ... two weeks?  

[ClaraOswin]

3 hours ago, ljohnson2006 said:

Professional counseling. The Duggars don't believe in that. Smugs will go back to the same person he went to the first time.

I could see he and Anna getting couples counseling from that could that's been on the show before. The Hogans, I believe. They were annoying and kind of dumb, IMO.

1 hour ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

What happened to Jill's old McMansion?  Maybe Josh and family will move in there? Or the Dowell St. house?

A while back it was for sale as a commercial property. Not sure if it ever sold though.