Josh Duggar Admits to Molestation Rumors - Part 2

[drivingmishcrazy]

I could see Jessa doing it, if she was one of the victims, especially if she developed a "get tough or die" attitude and especially if Ben learned about it and wasn't going to let Josh get off totally scot-free, whether by exposing him or kicking the shit out of him, which he wouldn't do that and risk going to jail for assault and leave his pregnant wife vulnerable, so they decided to do this together.

BUT

I could also see JD doing it, possibly at Jana's request/with her permission, if she was one of the victims. JD seems to be a more caring/protective brother, and especially if his twin was one of the girls hurt? Could be a reason to finally make Josh answer for what he did.

Could Joseph had a hand in leaking it? He and Jinger seem close, so what if Jinger became more and more dejected after Jessa got married and confided to him something to the effect of not being able to take it anymore? Could Jinger requested the report and then had Joe tip someone off to it?

Then again maybe it's none of these. Unless someone breaks ranks and decides to tell their side of the story, we may never know what exactly happened, who was involved, and how it got on a tabloid reporter's desk.

[sisterwives]

I do think it's a possibility that Josh Duggar is a sociopath, or at the very least, a narcissist who only is out for himself, and will step on anyone to get in his way. Now, 6 year old siblings might play Doctor, but it's not a normal thing at all for a teenager to molest a child, and certainly not your sisters. Last I checked, incestual sexual abuse is not a traditional "family value." The most disturbing thing is that Anna married him knowing that about him, and even has had children with him that he could potentially abuse since often, child abusers start out by molesting when they're teenagers.

About him potentially abusing more -- I agree that is a huge concern. I think the people saying that this happened "so long ago" don't realize that this kind of abuse doesn't just go away, not for the victims or the predator. Like you said offenders start when they are teenagers and sexual abuse is hardly ever about sex. it's about the power trip that comes along with it. I don't believe those incidents detailed were the first or the last.

Josh is the oldest male child in a culture that praises men as superior, the protector, the authority and juxtaposes females as the enemy, the temptress, Eve. this is very important to note. This sounds like a power trip on his part. the fact that he did it again and again even after getting sent away several times speaks volumes of what entitlement he felt he had. And that entitlement doesn't go away with a hard labor camp. If anything, it just festered as resentment on Josh's part, which is even more dangerous.

[MisUndrstd]

I could see Jessa doing it, if she was one of the victims, especially if she developed a "get tough or die" attitude and especially if Ben learned about it and wasn't going to let Josh get off totally scot-free, whether by exposing him or kicking the shit out of him, which he wouldn't do that and risk going to jail for assault and leave his pregnant wife vulnerable, so they decided to do this together.

BUT

I could also see JD doing it, possibly at Jana's request/with her permission, if she was one of the victims. JD seems to be a more caring/protective brother, and especially if his twin was one of the girls hurt? Could be a reason to finally make Josh answer for what he did.

Could Joseph had a hand in leaking it? He and Jinger seem close, so what if Jinger became more and more dejected after Jessa got married and confided to him something to the effect of not being able to take it anymore? Could Jinger requested the report and then had Joe tip someone off to it?

Then again maybe it's none of these. Unless someone breaks ranks and decides to tell their side of the story, we may never know what exactly happened, who was involved, and how it got on a tabloid reporter's desk.

This is just speculation but it could have also been a leak in the police department? In Touch starts snooping around looking for a story because of internet rumors, they contact someone in the PD who is willing to slide a few documents to them. I mean it may not be likely but it is a remote possibility.

[Jessa's Side Eye]

Who was Josh in a courtship with before Anna? I'm reading other sites saying that she was the one who wrote the original letter that was placed inside the book.

[TrisPrior]

I haven't known what to say all day in regards to this news or what I would even post. I just can't get over the fact that this happened to the girls and in less than a year or two, they were filming regularly for Discovery (the specials) or TLC. They have been in the spotlight this entire time having to cope and deal with that. I can't even imagine having to go through something like that not in the spotlight, let alone having the world know who you are and be on TV the entire time you are growing up. What is even more upsetting about this is that JB and Michelle knew - and still went ahead with the TV show. Still put their children out there for the world.

I just can't understand it. There are no words. :angry-banghead:

[FreeSiah]

Who was Josh in a courtship with before Anna? I'm reading other sites saying that she was the one who wrote the original letter that was placed inside the book.

What letter is this?

[Jessa's Side Eye]

The letter mentioned in the police report about what Josh had done. it was placed in a book and then lent out to someone else.

[sisterwives]

What letter is this?

This is the letter mentioned in the police report -- there was a letter that had been written by someone (Jchelle and Jim Bob did not identify them) detailing the abuse and placed inside a book. That book was traded between church members and the letter was found inside then sent to Oprah's production team. As a result their interview with her was cancelled and her team got the cops involved.

[Janes Heir]

I do believe it was an Oprah special that she or a specialist said something along the lines of

'When it comes to being abused, you can really only answer yes or I don't know because the mind often blocks out traumatic memories'

Possibly when she did the Trudi Chase interview.

This is something that started "ringing" wrong with me in my fundie upbringing quite early: We'd be warned against "secular psychology" which makes people have "false" memories about childhood abuse. Maybe because I'm an empathizer, something about that felt wrong even before I'd extensively examined the problems of fundie logic.

Just caught up on the thread. I'm sorry to say the news didn't surprise me. While there are less messed up people who believe fundie gender norms, if someone a male has a creepy tendency this culture does everything it can to enable him.

[Eatingintheprayercloset]

I think the victim who wasn't a J'slave leaked this. The Duggar girls wouldn't want all this bad publicity for their family. Maybe it was a Holt girl and is having a harder time dealing with it? At least, outwardly.

[Mandysue]

I don't think it was an unmarried J-slave because they can not go any where ny themselves. Would Jana want to take her buddy group on a field trip to the courthouse?

I looking at the married women and the in-laws.

Ben's parents leaking it so Ben and Jessa have an excuse to move closer to them.

Dan leaking it because Derrick is pissed but he can't leak it.

The Seewalds just being over all of it and wanting the protect their grandchild.

[silverspoons]

I only found on petition on Credo about cancelling the show and it seems to be fizzling. Are there any other petitions out there? I just remember after the robocall, Jim Bob challenged people to try and cancel the show because he said it ill never happen. He rambled on about being the number #1 show and no petition will take him down.

I would love the kids to get all the TLC money and the house and see Jim Nob live off all his rental income or cell towers since he was SO successful before TLC. Maybe Jim Bob and Michelle can move into Ben's old shanty, I mean the guesthouse.

[NotAnIncubator]

About him potentially abusing more -- I agree that is a huge concern. I think the people saying that this happened "so long ago" don't realize that this kind of abuse doesn't just go away, not for the victims or the predator. Like you said offenders start when they are teenagers and sexual abuse is hardly ever about sex. it's about the power trip that comes along with it. I don't believe those incidents detailed were the first or the last.

Josh is the oldest male child in a culture that praises men as superior, the protector, the authority and juxtaposes females as the enemy, the temptress, Eve. this is very important to note. This sounds like a power trip on his part. the fact that he did it again and again even after getting sent away several times speaks volumes of what entitlement he felt he had. And that entitlement doesn't go away with a hard labor camp. If anything, it just festered as resentment on Josh's part, which is even more dangerous.

Even one of the victims living inside the house said on the police report that she did not feel safe in the house and didn't entirely trust him. And considering there are 5 victims we're aware of, it's best not to trust.

[jerichojones]

The thing that makes me doubt it was one of the girls, especially one of the ones at home, is that I don't know whether they would know that they can do that. They've been so sheltered in some ways, and they may have had more exposure to the rest of the world than others with their religious convictions, but they're still pretty clueless when it comes to the real world. They are by no means dumb, but we may know that we are entitled to request the records or whatever because we have lived in the real world and have seen TV shows and movies and read newspapers and all of that. I worry they may not have that world knowledge. Heck, I'm a law student and if I were in that situation, I'd still have to look up the procedure for getting access to certain documents if it were me. How restricted is their access to information?

[Jessa's Side Eye]

I wonder who was 61 when Harpo were notified? In Touch says that the email came from a 61 year old female, who they can't identify...Grandma Duggar? Would she have been 61 back then?

[miffy]

I wonder who was 61 when Harpo were notified? In Touch says that the email came from a 61 year old female, who they can't identify...Grandma Duggar? Would she have been 61 back then?

She was born in 1941, so yes in 2002 she was 61.

Also there is a Michelle's oldest sister is around the same age.

[Mandysue]

I wonder who was 61 when Harpo were notified? In Touch says that the email came from a 61 year old female, who they can't identify...Grandma Duggar? Would she have been 61 back then?

I swear I'm going to bed after this....

What about someone in Michelle's family. Does she have a sister or brother that would have been that age?

[Jinderella]

Could ave been Jill and Jessa together, or Jill and Derick. I already had a feeling something was up between Jill and her family. She isn't visiting them all that often, after her son was born, she stopped by their house on her way home, but didn't even leave the car, she was only there for a very short amount of time during Erica's interview and sitting very much apart rom the others, there was the preview of the "big step" that didn't seem to be good news for her parents and yesterday Derick posted a picture on instagram of JB holding Israel for the first time after more than a month. That's really strange. Didn't JB visit te hospital after the C-section? For me that points to Jill and Derick distancing from the Duggars.

But yesterday, when the Duggars must have known the shit was going to hit, Jill posted a picture of her and Jessa on Instagram. They didn't appear to be close in the past. If they where looking for comfort, wouldn't Jessa have gone to comfort Jinger? Maybe Jill and Jessa did this together?

A few people here mentioned Jana must be a victim because of her behavior. I think her behavior could very well be that of the only non-victim. I have a friend that is from a family of 4 boys and he was the only one not molested by their pastor. He told me it made him feel like an outsider between the siblings and the one even to ugly/unworthy to be molested (from a kids perspective, of course this changed with aging). Still his live is as much affected as that of his siblings, he is still single and very insecure.

Jana may have been safe because of JD, but she may feel quilt for not being able to protect her young sisters. She may feel she can't let something like that happen again and will keep her little sisters close until all boys are gone. Even if not touched, she can be a victim too.

How could the girls ever trust a brother again if the oldest off them (the role model) violated them by touching their breast before they even had breasts? How could this poor girls ever feel secure if they "defrauded" their own brother before they had someting to defraud with? Puberty must have been so hard. We are blaming Josh here and we should, but he now lost his job, his future... JB and M are to blame just as much, but will they pay? I doubt...

[Jessa's Side Eye]

I have no idea about Michelle's family. I know very little about them, I don't even know if she has parents living does she?

[isarhenne]

I can't believe none of persons responsable for the abuse (Josh, JB, Michelle, all the other adults who knew about it) are facing charges or being arrested right now. Why is there nothing happening?

All the minors should immidiately be removed from JB's and M's house. Where is CPS when you need them?

[Jessa's Side Eye]

In Touch Weekly said they requested the documents under the freedom of information act. They wouldn't have needed anyone of the Duggar girls permission for that would they?

[lilpapaya]

She was born in 1941, so yes in 2002 she was 61.

Also there is a Michelle's oldest sister is around the same age.

I believe the email was sent in 2006 though? Making her 65 at the time.

[sisterwives]

In Touch Weekly said they requested the documents under the freedom of information act. They wouldn't have needed anyone of the Duggar girls permission for that would they?

Is it possible to get such a report under a FOIA though? I'm seeing mixed answers on whether this is possible. What would it take for someone to request a molestation report as a totally unrelated party?

[lilpapaya]

Or you never know, perhaps InTouch employees were digging through here and all of the Duggar rumours. But that still doesn't explain how they would have known there was a police report. No rumour (at least no rumour on FJ, from what I've seen, I know the original sources did) implied anything criminal.

I don't see how someone at FRC could have known, and I really don't see how a competitor for office could have known.

I distinctly remember one of the original sources of this rumor specifically said to check the Springdale police reports if we didn't believe her. It's much too late at night for me to go looking for it now, took me hours to catch up with this thread. But yeah. I think FJ rumors hit the tabloids and someone made the freedom of information request for the reports. None of us ever thought to do it back then.

[FreeSiah]

In Touch Weekly said they requested the documents under the freedom of information act. They wouldn't have needed anyone of the Duggar girls permission for that would they?

Since Josh and the victims were minors there should be no way they got those reports without permission. They either knew about the leak beforehand or someone gave them that information. They could be lying to protect the identity of whoever gave them the reports.