Duggars by the Dozen - General Discussion - Part 9

[IReallyAmHopewell]

If Derick had really planned to be an SBC missionary, he wouldn't have taken that job at Walmart. He's very recently back from the mission field as it is. For all the talk of missionary work, I am pretty darn certain Derick knew that by marrying Jill he was giving up being an SBC missionary.

Just another thing the Duggars pay lip service to, but don't actually follow through.

Ofc Derick could surprise me by figuring out a different way to go out as a missionary. SBC certainly does not own the mission field, there are alternatives. I just really kind of doubt it, the support from SBC Mission Board is reliable and secure. I can't see him going out and living on the edge off donations from Christians in the US. Or securing some kind of employment in another country in order to proselytize there? Meh. Dubious IMO.

Starting a marriage in the mission field would be HARD. Maybe they are simply putting away money to do this? Plus, Hello? his mom has cancer. I imagine he'd like to be nearby. Why give up a chance to bankroll their financial security--ESPECIALLY if they want to some day serve in the mission field.

[CorruptionInc.]

Now the Duggar / Bates Tumblr is saying Jessa is pregnant, but the mods are asking for proof.

Most likely she is because of who she is; but we still don't know yet.

God help me I think that people spread with Jill, Anna and Jessa all pregnant at the same time will be a thing.

[singsingsing]

Anyone can get on one of these blogs and make an anonymous comment. I wouldn't say "most likely" she is: she definitely could be, but she's only been married a month. Most likely if she IS pregnant, she wouldn't even know yet.

[808s&Heartbreak]

This is something that just popped up in my head the other day, but what if these guys that seek to date duggar daughters have underlying control issues and that's why they go for these spineless fundie women. Think about it, Derrick is a guy that's had much exposure to the world, interacts with all sorts of people, but can't find a nice girl considering how nice he is? Maybe he's been in relationships where he tried to be in control but no woman would ever put up with it. Someone like that would go after an abitionless spineless woman that is taught to cater to her mans every need and want, I.e. female Duggars. The best comparison I can make is that guys that seek fundie/duggar women that aren't brought up in that lifestyle are like Stepford husbands, want a woman that can never overshadow and make him feel like less of a man but want a generic wife.

I get that Jill had ambitions buuut they've been tossed until she can't have kids anymore, let's be real.

[fabkiwi06]

Love your username, 808s&Heartbreak.

I've thought about this too... and it makes sense. But... I have to give JB a little bit of credit here. I do think he cares about his daughters and I think he is looking for the guys swinging TOO far in the controlling direction. There can still only be one headship... and that headship is Jim Bob Duggar.

I think that your average controlling douchebag would be put out by JB's massive list of rules and regulations. He wouldn't have any control in the courtship... that would be a major turnoff.

In this case... I think the courtship actually would serve it's purpose. It would weed out the guys who wanted to be top dog. JB loves to have pissing races and he loves to win... if you want to marry his daughter... you better let him win ALL THE TIME.

I also don't think Derek is a control freak. I think he's probably a very religious, shy guy who had trouble relating to us Nike women because of our rock and roll music and tight mini skirts. The appeal of a Duggar girl is less about a personal servant and more about the shared love of God and the Lord's work IMO.

[singsingsing]

I agree that people with control issues are attracted to fundamentalism. Totally agree. Although not all those who convert to fundamentalism have psychological issues, in general it does attract people who are insecure, mentally unstable, anxious, depressed... and so on.

But I'm not sure what you mean about Derick being unable to find a nice girl. He did find a nice girl. He married her. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. It's not like he was 40 and claimed to have never had a girlfriend and that no girls were good enough for him. We don't even know that he never had a girlfriend before Jill... and he's 25. He's really young. I could be totally wrong but Derick really does not strike me as a control freak in any sense. I think he's more at risk of being controlled by Jill than the other way around to be honest.

[VelociRapture]

This is something that just popped up in my head the other day, but what if these guys that seek to date duggar daughters have underlying control issues and that's why they go for these spineless fundie women. Think about it, Derrick is a guy that's had much exposure to the world, interacts with all sorts of people, but can't find a nice girl considering how nice he is? Maybe he's been in relationships where he tried to be in control but no woman would ever put up with it. Someone like that would go after an abitionless spineless woman that is taught to cater to her mans every need and want, I.e. female Duggars. The best comparison I can make is that guys that seek fundie/duggar women that aren't brought up in that lifestyle are like Stepford husbands, want a woman that can never overshadow and make him feel like less of a man but want a generic wife.

I get that Jill had ambitions buuut they've been tossed until she can't have kids anymore, let's be real.

It's possible. I think it's a little sad that every guy who shows interest in these girls is going to be viewed this way though. Maybe Ben and Derick were honestly just looking for a nice young woman to fall in love with and they just happened to fall for a Duggar. I haven't seen or heard anything to indicate that either of these guys have control issues - we see only a small portion of their lives, but all signs seem to indicate that they love their wives very much and respect them as individuals.

[alba]

I can't see a control freak going for a woman like Jessa. She's very devout, but she's also highly opinionated. I think it's clear that Ben respects her if only because I don't think she'd marry someone who didn't.

Similarly, I don't think it's odd that Derick was still single at 24. Plenty of people are.

Honestly, I don't see men who want to be in control going for fundie daughters in general, for the simple reason that I think their fathers were attracted to fundamentalism because *they* like control. Jim Boob is a good example, as is Steve Maxwell, of a fundie father who controls the courtship and engagement and, seemingly, has a long reach right into the marriage. A similarly controlling man wouldn't go for a father-in-law like that.

[HarleyQuinn]

I definitely agree with Fundamentalism attracting controlling guys, but at the same time, Boob is the one that always needs to be in control. So an overly controlling dude might not put up with that at first.

Thinking about this makes me hate Boob more though.

[ILoveJellybeans]

I haven't seen any evidence that any of the guys who married Duggar daughters are control freaks. In fact, I think the one that wears the pants is Jessa.

[MrsYoungie]

Anyone can get on one of these blogs and make an anonymous comment. I wouldn't say "most likely" she is: she definitely could be, but she's only been married a month. Most likely if she IS pregnant, she wouldn't even know yet.

Duggar girls/women buy pregnancy tests at Bulk Barn. They seem to take a test every day. They would know the second the sperm met the egg.

For comparison - I have purchased 3 pregnancy tests in my life. I had 2 children. With the second one (6 years after the first) I knew I was pregnant, but the first test was inconclusive as it was too early. The second test a week or so later confirmed it.

Why would one take a test before they have even missed a period? Freaking pregnancy fetishists.

[Coconut Flan]

Many of the current tests are reliable before missing a period. The birthing boards are full of women testing 8 days after ovulation. I know one young woman whose OB asked her to test beginning 6 days after ovulation because of a history of miscarriages and told her to call immediately upon getting a positive result.

I don't know if what appears to many to be testing frenzy is a product of impatience, culture, or simply cheap early tests. The Dollar Tree tests are apparently very reliable.

[bluebird]

Same here..I do not think Derrick and Ben are control freaks but I do think Jill and Jessa are. Those guys may be the HEADships but their wives are the necks ( My Big Fat Greek Wedding,lol). I think Jill is probably a control freak about everything and then some and Jessa is controlling in regards to her personal happiness and comfort. Derrick will give in, not make waves and go with the flow. Ben will try as he will to make his princess happy and not minding much and will be one well trained puppy dog.

[808s&Heartbreak]

This is gonna sound awful. Actually this would make a good movie plot.

Anyways, what if everything we thought about the duggars was wrong. What if the whole Christian thing were a front to pull in people interested in their wholesome lives. What if they(specifically Michelle and/or Jim bob) were part of some dark cult and that was the purpose of having all those children but the kids didn't know. Super Rosemary's baby-ish except without the taking of the kids.

Freaky scenario, would be a great movie though.

[calimojo]

How wrong is that? I mean behind the smiling Happy Christian pictures, there is a lot of darkness in what they believe. Women are to be submissive, Gays are evil, government is evil unless it works to their advantage, mission create superfamilies to populate children who will then go on and do the same thing, Training camps using militia based teaching like Alert Academy, Training programs that put young women into situations where they can be molested and brainwashed, Mind control of the children, instilled fear and distrust of outsiders, and so on.

Just because they use the "Umbrella" of Christianity doesn't make it less dark.

Now, do I think the Duggars personally are "Purposed" to lead a dark cult? No, honestly I do think they are fairly sincere in what they believe. I think they are guilty of not using their head or using critical thinking skills to really understand what they are doing.

I think they are intellectually superficial people. If Gothard says "This is how it should be", then they say OK, and then do it. I don't think they ever say "Why?". And if they do go a step further and ask why, and Gothard says "Because it says so in the bible", again, I think they would say 'Well, if it says so in the bible, then ok"

I guess in other words, I think the Duggars are being used by ATI, Gothard etc and they aren't smart enough to fully see that. Yet at the same time, they are savvy enough to at least make some money while doing it, and they have learned from watching others in their group bend some rules to fit needs, and justify it with warped interpretations of the bible and doctrines, so they have done that as well.

[CorruptionInc.]

Why would one take a test before they have even missed a period? Freaking pregnancy fetishists.

Because they are nut bags and babies are their equivalent to crack.

[FJismyheadship]

stacischoff.blogspot.com/2005/10/whats-wrong-with-jim-bob-and-michelle.html

From the comments section:

I don't know the Duggar family personally, only through close friends, and I know enough that if you'd read the Bible and see how many children the women had back then and God told them to instead of society, we'd all be better off. If I could, I would do what the Duggars are doing, letting God be in control of every aspect of their lives like they are and by raising godly children, this world will be a better place. The Bible says to be fruitful and multiply. God is the only one who can make us conceive. Don't judge others because when you die, you will be judged by God. Also, if you were in the limelight, you'd take whatever came your way, and don't deny it, we're all human and that's just the way God designed us. I look up to the Duggar family and pray daily my daughters find a godly man like Jim Bob. God will only give you as much as you can handle, and children are blessings and He will provide. At least this family has no debt, can any of us say that? I can't and I think it's wonderful! I'm 38 and praying that God blesses us with as many more children as possible after 14 years of sterilization that we caused ourselves, but had reversed almost 2 years ago. Thank you Duggar family for showing us we sinned by cutting off the seed God planted in us. We're also a homeschooling family and our children socialize as much, if not more than any public schooled children, and also have better morals. Done the public school thing for 8 years, I want my children to have an education, not to be told what to do or how to do it for 7 hours a day, 13+ years of their lives. Go Jim Bob, Michelle and family! We love you and are blessed by your great witness!

[Fluffypaws]

Wow. That comment is something else. I was gonna respond to it, but decided not to thinking it was to aggressive. Does she deserve the Free Jinger leghumper award? Lol

[alba]

Wow. That comment is something else. I was gonna respond to it, but decided not to thinking it was to aggressive. Does she deserve the Free Jinger leghumper award? Lol

She sounds a lot like the kids in their talking heads, repeating the same tired justifications: no debt, homeschooled children get better socialisation, etc.

[JHeathen]

stacischoff.blogspot.com/2005/10/whats-wrong-with-jim-bob-and-michelle.html

From the comments section:

I don't know the Duggar family personally, only through close friends, and I know enough that if you'd read the Bible and see how many children the women had back then and God told them to instead of society, we'd all be better off. If I could, I would do what the Duggars are doing, letting God be in control of every aspect of their lives like they are and by raising godly children, this world will be a better place. The Bible says to be fruitful and multiply. God is the only one who can make us conceive. Don't judge others because when you die, you will be judged by God. Also, if you were in the limelight, you'd take whatever came your way, and don't deny it, we're all human and that's just the way God designed us. I look up to the Duggar family and pray daily my daughters find a godly man like Jim Bob. God will only give you as much as you can handle, and children are blessings and He will provide. At least this family has no debt, can any of us say that? I can't and I think it's wonderful! I'm 38 and praying that God blesses us with as many more children as possible after 14 years of sterilization that we caused ourselves, but had reversed almost 2 years ago. Thank you Duggar family for showing us we sinned by cutting off the seed God planted in us. We're also a homeschooling family and our children socialize as much, if not more than any public schooled children, and also have better morals. Done the public school thing for 8 years, I want my children to have an education, not to be told what to do or how to do it for 7 hours a day, 13+ years of their lives. Go Jim Bob, Michelle and family! We love you and are blessed by your great witness!

Interesting. You've got the judgy, micromanaging god, and the judgy we're-better-than-the-average-family poster. The wanting to live debt-free and have more kids, while already actually being in debt. Homeschooling the kids but not telling them what to do (?). And the person is too stupid to realize the point of the Quiverfull Movement/army for jeezus, yet is supposedly smart enough to be homeschooling their own kids. And taking the kids away from their social support systems. Oy vey.

[FJismyheadship]

More fun comments

Anonymous said...

As a thirteen year old girl, I am apolled at some of the things you say. I am a Christian, and go to a public school in order to spread the word of the Lord. The Duggars are a great inspiration to me, and I have learned how to raise my children when I grow up. In the Duggar's decision to homeschool, I think they are very wise. Public schooling isn't that bad, but comparing my education to my friends who are homeschooled, I know which is correct. My parents put me in public school thinking that I could teach those around me, and they would do the educational part, but there is so many precautions that I have to take preaching in a school building, that it isn't even worth it. I wish that I could wear the full length dresses like the Duggar girls, but that is not even an option in my school setting. The Duggar's are not a cult, but they are an amazing example of Christ.

I will pray for all those who have judged the Duggar's or anyone else, and I hope that you may one day see the Truth of Jesus. I'm sorry that it is blinded in your vision. I also pray that you find God before judgement day, when he will judge your actions. No one's perfect, and as a thirteen year old young woman growing up in the Northeast, it's harder than you think, and the real world IS that bad.

You folks just don't get it.

Take a look at our society and tell me what's good about it? Teenage pregnancies at an all time high. Kids killing each other at school. Our local schools that are considered to be "great" have police on campus all day long.

Kids are on drugs. Parents are in debt up to their eyeballs. There is no respect for anyone in our country any longer.

If you haven't read your Bible in a while I dare you to look up 2 Timothy 3 and tell me what you read. It is a description of America as it currently is.

Everything is all about me, me, me, me. Don't even bother me about you because you don't matter. What makes me happy matters. If your rights get in the way of my rights then you must be wrong. We tip toe around everything afraid to offend people while offending everyone all the time. Just get in your car and try to drive somewhere. Because I waited at an intersection yesterday becasue the cars were sticking out into the intersection and it is not legal to pull into an intersection unless you can clear it and I do not wish to be the car in the middle of the intersection when the light turns red, some guy in his big pick up honked at me and I mean he just laid on the horn expecting me to go through the light to nowhere. I just waited. When the cars finally moved and there was enough room for one more car, I went. As it turns out, we missed the next light anyway so all his honking made no difference except to punish me for obeying the law.

My point is. Our society is pathetic. What we were founded on has been crushed by liberalists wanting to allow homosexuals the right to marriage, allow people to murder children and most recently allow a man to starve his wife to death because he didn't want her any longer. How sick is that?

We are homeschoolers and we know many families like the Duggers. It was not their idea to do the show. They were approached and agreed. They are not parading their family around for any reason. They simply believe God's plan for us is different than what the secular world has decided it is. In fact, our secular world is trying to remove God from anything and everything.

The Duggers children have learned responsibility and you can be sure they will not go around getting married and divorced and leaving children without fathers. These children know the value of hard work and they are more responsible now than any public schooled child regardless of his parental upbringing.

And you believe sending children off for someone else to raise shows them more love than staying home with them and being with them all day? You are very confused about love.

Look back a few years and see what our society was like. We were agricultural and the children had to work all day on the farm. Even my mother was raised on a farm and as the oldset of 8 she talks about all the hard work she had to do and that she had to stand on a chair to cook. What the Duggers are doing is going back to a simpler time when our country knew that hard work would produce responsible people. Instead, look at all our pampered brats in the world who can't even stay married because they can't learn to get along with someone else.

If you folks would put down your judgementalism for 5 minutes and examine the Duggers lifestyle and some of our American history, I think you would realize what they are doing is right. Their children will be blessed far beyond what the spoiled brats in our country will ever receive.

Who wants to break that one down and add their own commentary? Someone more eloquently than myself? (Keep in mind, this was from 2005)

I have 4 kids, ranging in age from 27 to 18. My husband and I decided after our 4th that we had enough and opted for sterilization, which we both PROFOUNDLY regreted almost as soon as the procedure was done. We prayed that the Lord would somehow "undo" the choice we had made, but He didn't. I've watched every show the Duggars have done and I LOVE THEM!! Watching their family, seeing the peace they have, the joy, the community, the obvious love they have for each other, the awesome work ethic that their parents are instilling in each of the children, the lack of disrespect so prevalent in todays American families, and most of all the absolute TRUST they have in God to provide EVERYTHING is so refreshing!!!! I so respect and appreciate this family for their dedication to raising children/citizens who will go out into the world striving to make it a better place for everyone they come in contact with!! Betsy

I think this woman is saying birth control is why so many women can't have kids, and fertility drugs are why we have autism.

Stephanie said...

Hi,

I am the mother of 4 beautiful children. We are expecting a surprise son in the fall. Neither my husband nor I believe in sterilization. However, we are learning NFP (Natural Family Planning). We do not want to "populate the world" but we will love any child that is created by our union. As you can see NFP is not 100% effective.

First, let's look at our society: After the 60's, we began really touting working Mom's. You were not anything unless you were a successful career woman. You would have to be ignorant not to choose your career first before marriage and family. So, there we went...down the path of later marriages, co-habitation, beginning our families in our mid to late 30's. All the while, women were using the birth control pill, preventing pregnancy...well those who were the "smart" ones. The latter were having abortions.

Now, here we are in the midst of a crisis. How many couples do you know that "can't" get pregnant? A large number of women who feverishly want to be Mommies are turning to fertility treatments and fertility drugs. Once successful, our multiple birth rate increases dramatically. As do our complications in pregnancy, premature birth, and cesarian births.

Now, in the last 10 years...mind you since all of these "miracle" drugs...the rise in autistic children has multiplied... we are now seeing autism in 1 out of 160 births. We also have more emotionally disturbed children, children with ADD, and ADHD. Some people boast that the rates have only increased because now we "screen" for these illnesses. Why you may choose to believe this jargon is beyond me. How many autistic kids did you have in your school? neighborhood? community? when you were growing up? Were they just not all "identified" then? HMMMMM? Why could this be? I would love to see the statistics of unplanned teenage pregnancies...how many of those children are identified as autistic? As for ADD and ADHD, my opinion and it is an opinion I have concluded due to observation: direct correllation between TV/video game over-stimulation and the lack of other stimulation from an early age.

People claim that the Dugger's are mis-guided. That they are manipulating their children into caregivers, not giving them a fair life. Not letting their girls dress "cute". Well, I will tell you, I have seen a lot of those "cutely" dressed girls, with shorts up their butts, and cleavage exposed to the world from a very early age. I am not saying, let's go back to the 50's. But, lets have some substance. Large families depend on each other to help out. My kids have chores. They do what they can to help. I will not criticize the duggers, but I will happily criticize a society that passes judgement on a fully functioning family that is healthy and normal by all standards. A people that turn a blind eye to thier own parenting or lack there of. "Go watch TV! I am busy! We are eating out tonight..everynight! Oh you want an I-pod or x-box? Let me put that on my credit card!" GIVE ME A BREAK!

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!

[gustava]

Blithering idiot. Every cliche and stereotype she can think of.....

[CorruptionInc.]

God help me those comments are horrible, and they were written 9 years ago. The way the world has changed would not impress these people at all.

I'm all for same sex marriage; who cares if people have sex before marriage? You've got to try before you buy sometimes, like cars. Who cares if same sex people wish to have children?

It is absolutely NOT our right to withold basic human rights from other people just because they're different. If these people were actually any bit Christian like they preach they are, they would accept EVERYONE.

[808s&Heartbreak]

I think a lot of those duggar kids have a lot of potential in their interests and I hope they don't waste it. For example, either Jedediah or Jeremiah (maybe both) have shown interest in making little videos and filming. It would be pretty cool if they were given the opportunity to study cinematography or film and that way they would be able to contribute to Christian or family films, I.e. Things the family would actually watch. Although considering Josh got hired to a lobbyist group without any degree, maybe they will shadow someone in the industry and learn the tricks of the trade. Another example could be Jinger and her interest in Photography, Jessa cosmetology, etc. I'm not too sure of anything the other kids might be passionate in.

[grandmadugger]

I'm always up for a challenge. lol

You folks just don't get it.

No honey you are the one who doesn't get it.

Take a look at our society and tell me what's good about it? Teenage pregnancies at an all time high. Kids killing each other at school. Our local schools that are considered to be "great" have police on campus all day long.

Yes our society is screwed up but it's never been perfect.

Kids are on drugs.

Kids have been on drugs for years. Many used to be considered medicine. Plus there was the whole hippie movement than I'm guessing you were alive during or maybe your parents were. It didn't happen yesterday that's for sure

Parents are in debt up to their eyeballs. There is no respect for anyone in our country any longer.

If you want change you have to start with yourself, I'm not seeing a lot of respect coming out of you.

If you haven't read your Bible in a while I dare you to look up 2 Timothy 3 and tell me what you read. It is a description of America as it currently is.

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

It does sound a lot like America today but it also sounds like the Roman Empire, the British Monarchy, and many other countries throughout history. Though that's lumping everyone together. Not everyone is that way and I suspect that there will always been people like this and there will always be people not like this.

Everything is all about me, me, me, me. Don't even bother me about you because you don't matter. What makes me happy matters. If your rights get in the way of my rights then you must be wrong. We tip toe around everything afraid to offend people while offending everyone all the time. Just get in your car and try to drive somewhere. Because I waited at an intersection yesterday becasue the cars were sticking out into the intersection and it is not legal to pull into an intersection unless you can clear it and I do not wish to be the car in the middle of the intersection when the light turns red, some guy in his big pick up honked at me and I mean he just laid on the horn expecting me to go through the light to nowhere. I just waited. When the cars finally moved and there was enough room for one more car, I went. As it turns out, we missed the next light anyway so all his honking made no difference except to punish me for obeying the law.

Sorry someone was pissy at you for holding up traffic. Not sure how that story relates to anything other than to make you feel better about yourself. Rights and traffic laws are not the same thing. Oh well you got to tell a story that makes you look like the better person so that's gotta make you feel good. Talk about the me message.

My point is. Our society is pathetic. What we were founded on has been crushed by liberalists wanting to allow homosexuals the right to marriage, allow people to murder children and most recently allow a man to starve his wife to death because he didn't want her any longer. How sick is that?

Wow 42 paragraphs and we finally have your point! Despite what many think we were not founded on Christian beliefs. Many of our founding fathers were not Christian. What we were given was the right to worship the God of our choosing, in the church of our choosing, in the way of our choosing. The government should not be making laws based on what the Bible says is a sin. If they do then the government is taking away rights as it is no longer separation of church and state.

We are homeschoolers and we know many families like the Duggers. It was not their idea to do the show. They were approached and agreed. They are not parading their family around for any reason. They simply believe God's plan for us is different than what the secular world has decided it is. In fact, our secular world is trying to remove God from anything and everything.

They are parading their family around if they weren't they wouldn't have a TV show. Though your topic sentence was about homeschooling so not following your logic very well. If you are homeschooling maybe you should review paragraph structure, it would help me when trying to do a rebuttal.

The Duggers children have learned responsibility and you can be sure they will not go around getting married and divorced and leaving children without fathers. These children know the value of hard work and they are more responsible now than any public schooled child regardless of his parental upbringing.

LMAO so now we've delved into a comedy routine. The girls have certainly learned responsibility and I would venture to guess some of the older boys have as well. I don't know if they will ever get a divorce but if they do it won't be the women since they have no way to support themselves let alone any children that they have. I don't know how you can think they are more responsible than any kid in public school. Let's take Jill for a minute, she doesn't understand Derick getting up each morning and going off to work. It's a foreign concept for her. One of my friends has a high school senior so I'll break down that kid's day. He get's up in the morning, goes to school, after school he had football practice (an all star), he's in band, he's in choir, he's the president of the class, FFA, and is part of national honors society. He lives on a farm and has chores at home. He will also head off to college in the fall. The Duggar kids get up whenever they want, clean the house, maybe spend a couple of hours on the computer for school, and that's it. No pets, no clubs, no friends, no pep band to prep for weekly, nothing those kids don't do as much in a week as most high school kids do in a day.

And you believe sending children off for someone else to raise shows them more love than staying home with them and being with them all day? You are very confused about love.

:shock: I don't even know what you are talking about. You don't have to be with someone 24/7 to love them.

Look back a few years and see what our society was like. We were agricultural and the children had to work all day on the farm. Even my mother was raised on a farm and as the oldset of 8 she talks about all the hard work she had to do and that she had to stand on a chair to cook. What the Duggers are doing is going back to a simpler time when our country knew that hard work would produce responsible people. Instead, look at all our pampered brats in the world who can't even stay married because they can't learn to get along with someone else.

Raising your siblings and busting your ass on a farm are two different things. You are comparing apples and pears.

If you folks would put down your judgementalism for 5 minutes and examine the Duggers lifestyle and some of our American history, I think you would realize what they are doing is right. Their children will be blessed far beyond what the spoiled brats in our country will ever receive.

Pot meet kettle. You are the one who is judgemental. We are examining the Duggar's lifestyle. They are raising their children in a cult and you have bought into their brand. Their brand isn't real, they aren't working hard they are hardly working.