I'm just here to point out the contradictions

[Koala]

Sometimes I think Ken lives to contradict Lori. Today he was patting himself and Lori on the back for what stellar parents they were. Of course, if you've read Lori's blog for any length of time, you can't help but wonder if these two raised the same 4 children.

 

Ken:

 

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I think that was one of the main things Lori and I did best with our children. Even when we were not good about choosing our words carefully when correcting each other, we tended towards not getting emotional or upset at most of the kids bad behavior. Instead we dealt with it quite matter of factly, even at times laughing as we sent them to the fireplace: "I can't believe you did that again. Go to the fire place."

 

So according to Ken, what he and Lori did best was to not show emotion or get upset when sending their kids off to timeout. In fact, they sometimes laughed! (because nothing says good parenting like mixed messages)

 

According to Ken, the fireplace (for timeout) was their main disciplinary tool:

 

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Our greatest tool was the fireplace where the kids would run and sit for time out.

 

Now let's get Lori's side of the story:

 

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We didn't have to resort to charts, bedtime routines, stickers, or time outs. We spanked them if they didn't obey us!

 

Hmm...that's odd. So did they use time outs as their main tool of discipline, or did they not resort to timeouts??? Oh well, whatever they did, at least they did it in an unemotional, matter of fact manner

 

Lori:

 

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I spanked my children when I was angry because rebellion is so ugly and I didn't want them to act ugly.

 

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I spanked in anger sometimes, because I was usually pretty upset with my children when they needed a spanking

 

Ken: We were great parents! Unemotional timeouts! We didn't get upset! We laughed!

 

Lori: We were great parents! I didn't have to resort to timeouts! I was usually so upset that I spanked them in anger!

 

No contradictions there. Nope. None at all.

[Coco]

i'm surprised they turned out relatively normal.

[alba]

i'm surprised they turned out relatively normal.

Well, besides the one who alternately starved and force-fed his infant daughter.

[jaynie]

i'm surprised they turned out relatively normal.

Luckily it sounds like quite a lot of the parenting was done by the nanny, so Ken and Lori's disparate accounts are probably less relevant than they think...

[jerkit]

Well, besides the one who alternately starved and force-fed his infant daughter.

This. The others appear normal, but we won't really know until they have kids.

[formergothardite]

Ken hates Koala. :lol: I sadly think Lori's version of how they raised their children is the honest one. I think Ken knows that her version makes them look like horrible parents so he is trying to rewrite history. Too bad the internet is forever.

[BrownieMomma]

I spanked in anger. That was one of the big clues that I needed to change my parenting.

I'd so rather Lori admit the truth, and relate to her and like her for it (telling the truth), than Ken cover it up with even worse parenting that frankly, is probably a lie.

Most parents aren't laughing when the kid does something yet again. He could at least attempt to lie well, does he not realize other people are parents too?

[polecat]

This is probably giving these two more benefit of the doubt than they deserve, but I wonder if it's possible that she primarily spanked (in anger, because of course she did) while he mostly used time-outs. When they recount the stories, they just use the blanket "we" because ... well, I have no clue why. My husband and I have different parenting styles, and it's not a big issue since neither of us is an abusive asshat. But I sure wouldn't presume to extend my behaviors/choices to him. That's weird.

Also, *hanging head*, I've totally laughed when my kids have done something bad and needed correction. Sometimes they do stuff that is both bad and funny, and I have a hard time controlling my response. It's a flaw; I know.

[Firiel]

Also, *hanging head*, I've totally laughed when my kids have done something bad and needed correction. Sometimes they do stuff that is both bad and funny, and I have a hard time controlling my response. It's a flaw; I know.

That's why I love being an aunt. I just get to laugh when the little monsters do bad but hilarious things. :)

[Koala]

I am not buying it for a minute. Lori has recounted that in a conversation she had with her son, he claimed that Ken hit harder:

He said Ken spanked harder and longer than I did!

She has also referred to him pushing one of the boys down:

Ken had Ryan come over and pushed Ryan down on his bottom.

And Ken himself has admitted to leaving a bruise on one of the boys:

I can only remember creating a bruise on one child

Oh, and then there was the day that they "took turns" hitting their 18 month old...too much work for one abuser you know :evil:

The first time our children had a temper tantrum or refused to obey us, around 18 months, Ken and I would take turns telling them to pick up the toys {or whatever they were refusing to do} and then give them a swat on their bottom if they wouldn't do it. With all four of our children, it took almost four long, difficult hours

So nope. Not buying the story that Ken laughingly sat them in time out (the laughing sounds like an idea he got from Michael Pearl), while Lori furiously beat the shit out of them with her leather strap. I think they are both just as guilty as sin. You don't leave a bruise on a kid while unemotionally telling them to "run to timeout".

[usmcmom]

So Ken says they even occasionally laughed as they disciplined their children? What about this gem from Lori's post about her perfect kids?

We recently listened to a father tell us about catching his child eating candy after he told him he couldn't eat it. His young child had it stuffed in his shirt and it was clearly visible. He kept denying that he had taken any candy, lying out rightly to his father. His father kept giggling and finally walked away. NO! Deal with any and all sin you see in your children's lives immediately. NEVER laugh or be entertained by their sin.

Speaking of hypocrisy, I was waiting for Lori to prattle on about modestly again. I personally think her mother of the groom dress was quite immodest. The neckline is cut way below her breasts. I don't care if she is nearly flat chested, it's quite immodest. But I guess she was going for the Christian risqué look....

[jerkit]

Lori is a judgey mcjudgerson in today's post. Apparently she pays A LOT of attention to people's clothing and how well they are dressed.

[Koala]

Lori is a judgey mcjudgerson in today's post. Apparently she pays A LOT of attention to people's clothing and how well they are dressed.

Go look at her fb. Aside from the wedding pics, you'll be hard pressed to find her in anything other than jeans and ugly shoes :roll: (which makes this all the more ironic). Get real Lori. You wear jeans. All.the.time. Period.

That one where Lori looks drunk...in jeans

facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152226173799245&set=pb.677709244.-2207520000.1410369083.&type=3&theater

All "dressed up" for Christmas:

facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152154953814245&set=a.10152154958589245&type=3&theater

another Christmas, another pair of jeans:

facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152154953144245&set=a.10152154958589245&type=3&theater

facebook.com/299701696710545/photos/pb.299701696710545.-2207520000.1415806888./409192982428082/?type=3&theater

[jerkit]

So jeans are just not allowed on an airplane?

Lori makes zero sense. I desperately want to ask her questions on the daily.

When is casual wear acceptable? Must I wear a dress, pearls, and high heels to be a godly woman? Can I only wear jeans at home? What about khakis or other dress pants? Lori, dress me!

[Koala]

When is casual wear acceptable?

When Lori says so, that's when. And then only on her.

[2xx1xy1JD]

{L_MESSAGE_HIDDEN}:

Lori has taken a photo of a PROTOTYPE of a Pam Am 747. It's not an actual airplane, and those were not actual passengers. That's why they look so polished.

[jerkit]

And for serious, am I the only one who just doesn't pay that much attention to other people's clothes? I'm not really "into" clothes, so that may be why. But unless someone is wearing something outrageous, I typically don't even notice. I just don't care what other people wear.

[church_of_dog]

And for serious, am I the only one who just doesn't pay that much attention to other people's clothes? I'm not really "into" clothes, so that may be why. But unless someone is wearing something outrageous, I typically don't even notice. I just don't care what other people wear.

I tend to notice temperature-related stuff. I personally dress warmly as a default and then remove layers when I get too warm. Most people seem to do the opposite, dress lightly and then add layers if they get cold. Either way works, of course, and their way seems simpler but my way works for me personally.

But it does cause me to notice how many people are in one layer of short sleeves while I have a sweatshirt AND a turtleneck on, or shorts when I have jeans AND leggings on, etc. I don't normally pay attention to style (because I don't have any! :lol: ) but I do notice "wow, how can they not be cold wearing shorts in the snow?" or whatever... :cold:

ETA: and yes, I get my thyroid checked regularly. It's working fine -- it's metabolism I lack... :disgust:

[Firiel]

I did not expect this post to make me so ragey.

Women use to dress like women. Men use to dress like men. Both sexes liked to look nice and proper when they were out in public. I am sure that men respected women back then much more than they do today. Sure, they get a lot more eyefuls of breasts and bottoms hanging out now, but they must see women more as objects today than they did back then. Women's liberation movement did just the opposite of what it intended to do. It took away women's dignity instead of giving it to them.

One of the valuable ideals that we have lost today is respect. Men and women use to respect each other. They each knew their proper roles in society. Yes, there were perverts and creeps back then but I don't think there were nearly as many as there are today. Pornography was difficult to get and women weren't so free with their bodies. People kept their vows in marriage and children grew up with a mother and father with a huge dose of discipline.

1. *used to (as in, I cannot believe Lori USED TO be a teacher)

2. Peer-reviewed studies for any of this? People kept their marriage vows more? She is sure that women were respected more? How does she know any of this? Oh wait, she's making shit up.

3. Also, does she know that the main reason flying was so much more roomy and comfortable in years past is because the tickets were way more expensive (and a lot of 'regular folk' couldn't afford them)? NOPE because she's privileged and always has been privileged and doesn't have even the slightest conceptual understanding of not being a rich, white American.

[browncoatslytherin]

I did not expect this post to make me so ragey.

1. *used to (as in, I cannot believe Lori USED TO be a teacher)

2. Peer-reviewed studies for any of this? People kept their marriage vows more? She is sure that women were respected more? How does she know any of this? Oh wait, she's making shit up.

proud graduate of ken alexander's school

[Koala]

I did not expect this post to make me so ragey.

1. *used to (as in, I cannot believe Lori USED TO be a teacher)

2. Peer-reviewed studies for any of this? People kept their marriage vows more? She is sure that women were respected more? How does she know any of this? Oh wait, she's making shit up.

Do not get me started on use to /used to and suppose to/supposed to. It just makes me :pull-hair: Doesn't anyone in her life care enough to tell her??????

[Firiel]

Do not get me started on use to /used to and suppose to/supposed to. It just makes me :pull-hair: Doesn't anyone in her life care enough to tell her??????

Probably. Then she deletes their comment and bans them from her life.

[browncoatslytherin]

i totally need someone to grab a screenshot of a certain comment lori made, because it's yet another contradiction to a kensplaination :D

[Koala]

i totally need someone to grab a screenshot of a certain comment lori made, because it's yet another contradiction to a kensplaination :D

Which one?

[browncoatslytherin]

Which one?

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/01/should-husbands-ever-discipline-their.html

under michelle's comment (the one with 14 replies), michelle asks "what is their misbehaviour?" and lori replies with: "There is adultery , fornication {kids sleeping together}, pornography, divorce because they"fell out of love"...to name a few."

so...pornography is a misbehaviour that should warrant correction, doesn't that mean it's not okay and is a sin, unlike what ken has said?