Lorken don't sin like all you sinning sinners

[polecat]

Lorken says,

 

 

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"Far too many Christians show the lies they believe when they say things like ~

 

"I am just a sinner saved by grace."

"There is nothing good in me, except for Jesus."

"I am so unworthy!"

 

When we hear this talk Lori and I want to scream, "Stop it!" Stop saying, "Don't slice, Don't Slice!"

 

Don't slice what? Your guess is as good as mine. But all these useless Christian sinners should take a page from Lorken's book. Lorken are saints, not sinners.

 

 

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Instead, focus on righteousness, and specifically focus on the fact that we are in Christ and He is in us. We are saints of the most High, children of God, joint heirs with Christ to the Kingdom God, alive in Christ, freed from sin, and sitting with Christ on the right hand of God! This is our new realty, and this must be our focus! How many times does God's Word speak of a Believer as a sinner? Zero! We were sinners, but now we are saints of the God most High.

 

I suppose they missed Romans 3: 9 - 11: "What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD." Or Psalms 143: 2b, "For in Your sight no man living is righteous."

 

 

Maybe II Tim. 3: 2a is more appropriate for Lorken, "People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive ... "

[Grimalkin]

I guess I am doing something right if I don't make the cut for righteousness in "Lorken Land"

[Coco]

Lorken says,

Don't slice what? Your guess is as good as mine. But all these useless Christian sinners should take a page from Lorken's book. Lorken are saints, not sinners.

Are they talking about God cutting sin out of our lives like pruning branches? Because wow, obscure. :lol: Or maybe it's their own little language! Definitely not a typo, since it was written twice.

[lemonhead]

This actually reminded me of Michael Pearl. He has said similar things about being sinless now that he's a Christian. I think in mainstream theological circles, that's considered heresy.

[feministxtian]

This actually reminded me of Michael Pearl. He has said similar things about being sinless now that he's a Christian. I think in mainstream theological circles, that's considered heresy.

It is...but that's ok...I'd stay as far away from their brand of Christianity as I can...and I'm saying that as a Christian. They have no real theological understanding of the scripture they toss around.

Lorken...y'all are utter idiots.

[DGayle]

Jesus fucking Christ, those two are clueless. This is possibly the biggest cherry-picking of the bible I have ever, EVER EVER EVER seen. "Gays are bad, but shellfish is delish." Okay. That's bad enough. "We are saints because God says so!" Wow. Just...wow. It's one thing to call other people bad sinners, but it's something else to openly admit thinking you're a perfect non-sinner.

[Phoebe]

It's been a while since I last looked in my bible, but I seem to remember something about a Pharisee who prayed /humblebragged in public and a righteous man who prayed in secret...iirc, Jesus preferred the latter to the former. What is a blog but a modern-day street corner, after all?

[formergothardite]

Doesn't this mean that the "difficult" but saved Christian wife isn't a sinner but a saint? And Ken and Lori should focus on these women's righteousness and specifically focus on the fact that they are in Christ and He is in them?

Has Ken retired and just started writing Lori's blog?

[jerkit]

This was the most heretical post they've ever done. They've jumped the shark.

[formergothardite]

I don't see many fundies agreeing with them on this. They already had almost no one agree with them on the porn post. Ken and Lori are going to end up with just us as readers. :lol: Not that I view this as a bad thing, but I'm sure it will annoy them.

[feministxtian]

thought the tags were funny..."admonition, Ken's teaching"...

Guess we know where that gem of bullshit came from...

[DGayle]

I don't see many fundies agreeing with them on this. They already had almost no one agree with them on the porn post. Ken and Lori are going to end up with just us as readers. :lol: Not that I view this as a bad thing, but I'm sure it will annoy them.

I was surprised how little agreement they got, and that Ken doesn't see emotional adultery as adultery, only PIV sex, which makes me wonder if he's had affairs that he justifies by saying they're not really affairs.

[browncoatslytherin]

I was surprised how little agreement they got, and that Ken doesn't see emotional adultery as adultery, only PIV sex, which makes me wonder if he's had affairs that he justifies by saying they're not really affairs.

qft. they're not sinning sinners who sin, so he has to have some sort of justification! ;)

[church_of_dog]

I don't see many fundies agreeing with them on this. They already had almost no one agree with them on the porn post. Ken and Lori are going to end up with just us as readers. :lol: Not that I view this as a bad thing, but I'm sure it will annoy them.

I took great pleasure in noticing that yesterday, with FJ effectively down all day, Klorien only had 4 commenters... :whistle: :lol:

[formergothardite]

I was surprised how little agreement they got, and that Ken doesn't see emotional adultery as adultery, only PIV sex, which makes me wonder if he's had affairs that he justifies by saying they're not really affairs.

From Saint Ken:

I would categorize all sins that are unfaithful to a spouses as “unfaithful.†It is the breaking of a covenant to be faithful, but let’s call it what it is, not assign something worse to it.

I actually had a friend call me one day at tell me that his wife had been unfaithful. She had gone to the gym, taken on personal trainer and was caught actually going to the trainers home and she confessed to kissing and some petting, but did not have sex. The husband was totally distraught, as you can imagine, and what do you think I said to him?

Betrayal! It is the same as adultery! Now you have every right to divorce her!

No I did not say those things because they would be untrue, and worse yet would throw gasoline on an already open fire and wound. She kissed another man, she let another man feel her.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ken has kissed, felt up another woman, and had emotional affairs after reading him trying to justify such behavior as not cheating. Most people would naturally view such things as cheating, but not Ken, and there is a reason for that.

[browncoatslytherin]

From Saint Ken:

I would categorize all sins that are unfaithful to a spouses as “unfaithful.†It is the breaking of a covenant to be faithful, but let’s call it what it is, not assign something worse to it.

I actually had a friend call me one day at tell me that his wife had been unfaithful. She had gone to the gym, taken on personal trainer and was caught actually going to the trainers home and she confessed to kissing and some petting, but did not have sex. The husband was totally distraught, as you can imagine, and what do you think I said to him?

Betrayal! It is the same as adultery! Now you have every right to divorce her!

No I did not say those things because they would be untrue, and worse yet would throw gasoline on an already open fire and wound. She kissed another man, she let another man feel her.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ken has kissed, felt up another woman, and had emotional affairs after reading him trying to justify such behavior as not cheating. Most people would naturally view such things as cheating, but not Ken, and there is a reason for that.

wait, ken wrote this? when? cuz what he's saying now is totally contradictory to this. like, dude, if you're going to be hypocritical, at least try not to document it with a blog so everyone can see it.

[formergothardite]

wait, ken wrote this? when? cuz what he's saying now is totally contradictory to this. like, dude, if you're going to be hypocritical, at least try not to document it with a blog so everyone can see it.

It is in the super secret comment section that we are not supposed to quote. :lol:

Saint(not sinner) Ken's whole quote is this:

I would categorize all sins that are unfaithful to a spouses as “unfaithful.†It is the breaking of a covenant to be faithful, but let’s call it what it is, not assign something worse to it.

I actually had a friend call me one day at tell me that his wife had been unfaithful. She had gone to the gym, taken on personal trainer and was caught actually going to the trainers home and she confessed to kissing and some petting, but did not have sex. The husband was totally distraught, as you can imagine, and what do you think I said to him?

Betrayal! It is the same as adultery! Now you have every right to divorce her!

No I did not say those things because they would be untrue, and worse yet would throw gasoline on an already open fire and wound. She kissed another man, she let another man feel her. Got it, but she still is your wife, so what are you going to do to win your disobedient wife back to you? Sure, hold her accountable, but just recognize that the foul mood you stay in, the negativity you throw at her, the moping and carrying on that you are now doing is just as destructive to the marriage now, as the acts of unfaithfulness were before. You are punishing your wife with your behavior.

The results took a few phone calls and months, now a couple years to see, but they are stronger than ever. Her sin was not a sin leading to divorce, but it could have been only if the husband had not reesponded with charity and grace, much like Christ does with us each and every time we "betray†him at in the workplace, or in our homes.

So call it what it is, be real about it, but let’s stop throwing gas on the fire and instead teach believers everywhere to respond to their spouses sin like He does when He tells each one of us, “Go and sin no more.†How many times has he told you that lately? Is he running out of 70 x 7, or is His grace a bottomless reserve of love and forgiveness, no matter what His child might do?

If your right arm started to really hurt badly would you want it to whack your left arm and make it hurt too? If we are in one flesh marriages, our spouses into porn are hurting, and that hurt goes to us, but we don’t go around hurting our one flesh any more than is necessary to procure a cure.

I think that friend exists only in Ken's head but he makes it clear that if Lori caught him with kissing a naked woman she would have no right to accuse him of having an affair and if she dared to act upset for any amount of time she would be sinning just as much as he did. Seriously, no one tries to downplay having affairs this much if they aren't trying to justify behaving like this. No wonder Lori didn't want to say that she loved him.

[browncoatslytherin]

ken is such a piece of work. i mean, i knew that before, but that lengthy bullshit response there is just beyond anything. seriously, i love writing, and i can't make shit like that up. just...ugh. i'm definitely throwing my hat in the "he's trying to justify his own behaviours as okay" pile.

[brillig]

Not trying to aggravate anyone, I'm sure this information is in a thread somewhere, but what brand of Christian are Lori and Ken? They fascinate me in a bug - in - a- jar way and I am trying to understand the way they think and why they think they are bible based in their thinking. Is it their church or their own interpretations?

I was raised LCMS and bonus AOG in my teen years (at the same time-kind of mind boggling). I thought I had a pretty good handle on conservative Christianity, but Lori and Ken leave me confused and wondering if they have ever truly studied the bible.

IMO, these are the kind of people who turn people away from Christianity. The hypocrisy literally smells to high heaven.

[Firiel]

Not trying to aggravate anyone, I'm sure this information is in a thread somewhere, but what brand of Christian are Lori and Ken? They fascinate me in a bug - in - a- jar way and I am trying to understand the way they think and why they think they are bible based in their thinking. Is it their church or their own interpretations?

I was raised LCMS and bonus AOG in my teen years (at the same time-kind of mind boggling). I thought I had a pretty good handle on conservative Christianity, but Lori and Ken leave me confused and wondering if they have ever truly studied the bible.

IMO, these are the kind of people who turn people away from Christianity. The hypocrisy literally smells to high heaven.

As near as I can tell, they are a strange mix of whatever-the-hell-they-want. They have some Calvinism in their beliefs, but not completely because we can still make some choices. It sounds like what they are hawking in this post is a poor understanding of the doctrine of total sanctification that some churches emerging from the holiness movement (like Pentecostal) hold to. This post sounds like a really uppity I'm-so-great version of "new creation in Christ" theology. Which I don't have anything against in and of itself. But then Ken and Lori mess it up, like they mess everything up.

[Ivycoveredtower]

As near as I can tell, they are a strange mix of whatever-the-hell-they-want. They have some Calvinism in their beliefs, but not a lot because we can still make some choices. It sounds like what they are hawking in this post is a poor understanding of the doctrine of total sanctification that some churches emerging from the holiness movement (like Pentecostal) hold to. This post sounds like a really uppity I'm-so-great version of "new creation in Christ" theology. Which I don't have anything against in and of itself. But then Ken and Lori mess it up, like they mess everything up.

They love the Duggars and wanted their son to marry a girl like the duggars. but yet they themselves drink dance and wear sleevless and strapless things and pants so It's very odd. though I find it funny when she talks about her oldest son's wife. How she likes to smile and twirl around in dresses.

[polecat]

Not trying to aggravate anyone, I'm sure this information is in a thread somewhere, but what brand of Christian are Lori and Ken? They fascinate me in a bug - in - a- jar way and I am trying to understand the way they think and why they think they are bible based in their thinking. Is it their church or their own interpretations?

I was raised LCMS and bonus AOG in my teen years (at the same time-kind of mind boggling). I thought I had a pretty good handle on conservative Christianity, but Lori and Ken leave me confused and wondering if they have ever truly studied the bible.

My unvarnished, non-snarky opinion is that no, they have not. They remind me of the verse about newborn babes desiring the sincere milk of the word. Except for one problem: They really don't desire to learn anything from or about the Bible. Instead, they like to drag verses out of context and make them mean whatever they want. Case in point: In Ken's porn rant the other day, he vented that the Apostle Paul used the wrong word when he said that withholding sex is defrauding your spouse. Apparently, Ken knows better than Paul. (He also apparently doesn't believe in the verbal plenary inspiration. That isn't a big deal, of course, except for the fact that he regularly uses the Bible as the be-all end-all authority, so if he gets to say that the Bible is wrong in some places, then other people should also have that privilege).

[2xx1xy1JD]

I usually skip Ken's wall of text theological posts, because it's pretty clear that my theology is totally different. I can relate to how marriage and parenting work. I don't really relate to the theology.

So...I tried to figure out this post. Some of it kinda sorta makes a bit of sense, if I read it as "don't constantly beat up on yourself and concentrate on how bad you are, focus on how your soul is holy and you now have the power to rise above sinning." I've learned some similar concepts (not the Jesus part, but the "your soul is holy and it just gets obscured by junk that's in the way"). I have no idea if this is what Ken actually means, though, because I read through the comments and all of it sounds a bit crazy to me. What the hell was that first comment from Robin about? She's sometimes one of the more sensible Lori fans, but her comment about the Jewish holidays was out of left field. [incidentally, this is why I don't just get worked up about bad Hebrew tatoos and faux Jews for Jewish appropriation.]

[Firiel]

I usually skip Ken's wall of text theological posts, because it's pretty clear that my theology is totally different. I can relate to how marriage and parenting work. I don't really relate to the theology.

So...I tried to figure out this post. Some of it kinda sorta makes a bit of sense, if I read it as "don't constantly beat up on yourself and concentrate on how bad you are, focus on how your soul is holy and you now have the power to rise above sinning." I've learned some similar concepts (not the Jesus part, but the "your soul is holy and it just gets obscured by junk that's in the way"). I have no idea if this is what Ken actually means, though, because I read through the comments and all of it sounds a bit crazy to me. What the hell was that first comment from Robin about? She's sometimes one of the more sensible Lori fans, but her comment about the Jewish holidays was out of left field. [incidentally, this is why I don't just get worked up about bad Hebrew tatoos and faux Jews for Jewish appropriation.]

I think there is a core of totally acceptable (and even common) Christian theology in the post. A common verse would be this:

1 Corinthians 5:7

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

Paul has a lot of verses that talk about being a new person in Christ and the death of the sinful nature. The idea is that if we are following Christ, our desires will also start to align with the heart of God. It's a nice idea, especially when one views the heart of God as ultimately being about loving and serving others.

Ken turns it into a thing that sounds like he's saying, "I can do whatever I want and it's not sin. Cuz sanctification."

[formergothardite]

Pretty sure Saint Ken goes to the Church of Whatever the Fuck is Convenient at the Time. If he came home to find Lori dancing naked in front of another man you better believe that he wouldn't be all "Of course she hasn't had an affair! Sure he has slept in the bed with her whenever I was gone and she pours out her heart to him instead of to me and they fondle each other and this has been going on for decades, but he never put his penis in her vagina so she totally hasn't cheated on me! And I'm not going to act upset because if I do that would be sinning."

No way that would happen. Ken would kick her to the curb and make sure to publically shame her.