Young girls and women weren't murdered during WWII era

[ILoveJellybeans]

Of course many women and children were killed in the war. There were loads of Jewish women and children (as well as other minority groups the Nazis didnt like) who were killed by the Nazis. Then there was also bombs set off, and they dont just selectively kill men.

People still had sex outside of marriage a long time ago, theres a suspiciously large number of 8lb preemies who were born a few months after their parents weddings. There was also plenty more who were forced into staying hidden throughout their pregnancy and then having to give the baby up for adoption.

There was less divorce as it was so looked down upon, but this doesnt mean all marriages were happy, just that people felt they had to stay together even if their partner was abusive, or cheated, or was someone they had grown to hate.

[2xx1xy1JD]

Meanwhile, I'll a little story from my late grandmother (not the crazy one). She was a very proper lady, never swore or raised her voice, had a closet of blue dresses and hats and even white gloves, and was fond of inviting people over for tea. She bore a strong resemblance to the queen.

Any, grandma was widowed in 1956. During the shiva (visitation) afterward, a man came up to her. Her had been an old boyfriend from high school. As they were catching up, he mentioned that he was married, "but it was a shidduch (arranged marriage), he father had a business and took me into it. I wasn't in love with her. I never forgot you. Now that you're single, if you want to get together, my wife doesn't need to know...."

[sparkles]

Lori and her ilk, who believe in the idealized notion that the "good old days" were one gay whirl, full of tea parties, loving spouses, perfectly behaved children and never a harsh thought, are wearing the same blinders as people who believe they were always royalty or someone famous in their past lives. No one is EVER the scullery maid or a slave or a serf's wife. The only difference is that Lori's beliefs are truly dangerous.

[Dinorah]

Has she ever talked to someone who was alive during WWII? Is she aware of all the European young women who went with allied women during occupation, half out of interest, half because their men were far away?

Plus, if anything, morals become laxer during wars, it's the "we could all be dead tomorrow" mentality.

Moreover, I'd rather have porn and divorce than your loved ones risking being killed overseas (from an American standpoint).

[dairyfreelife]

Do not say, "Why is it that the former days were better than these?" For it is not from wisdom that you ask about this. (Ecclesiastes 7:10)

I randomly came across this verse the other day and it made me think of Lori and some of our other fundies

I often wonder why so many fundies ignore that verse. The verse really says a lot because it is true. It is unwise because there was never a time in life when life was good for everyone. Unfortunately there probably never will be a time like that either. :(

She seems to be allowing all comments to go through, but if she doesn't like them she later deletes them. Let's see how long she keeps my comment up and I hope she responds to it. I'd love to hear her answer. Honest. I really want to know what she thinks about it.

What about Fernandez and Beck? Gaskins? Ed Gain? Red Light Bandits? What about the lives of blacks in the 1940s? What about Japanese Americans then? What about women of poverty then also? What about internment camps? Segregation?

Also what about Ecclesiastes 7:10?

[GolightlyGrrl]

Wow, Lori Alexander is a fucking monster just summed up her willful ignorance, thoughtlessness, arrogance, insensitivity and lack of compassion in one tiny nugget of a post.

[lilwriter85]

Ok, then here's the paraphrased version:

"I was only talking about America. America is special because G-d. I'm aware that all other countries on earth have bad things happen in them, because they are Not America. America was so much better when Christianity was shoved in people's faces everywhere they went. Sure, slavery was totes bad, but that's done now. I'm super sad that America is becoming like all of those Not America countries where they take G-d out of the public sphere."

I figured she was referring to Americans. But Lori's blog post was still stupid for several reasons. Young girls and women were raped and/or murdered in the U.S. during that time period.

[GeoBQn]

When someone pointed to statistics saying that the murder rate is lower now than in the 1940's, Lori responded, that she doubts that statistic because it probably doesn't include all of the innocent babies who are murdered through abortion.

Lori, have you ever been to a hospital with a "special gynecology" or "special obstetrics" ward? No? That's because those were the code names for wards where women were seen for injuries due to botched illegal abortions. Those wards magically emptied and closed after Roe v. Wade. It's just another example of how the 1940's weren't any more innocent than now.

[2xx1xy1JD]

The paraphrased version of my email went like this:

Don't mention African-Americans, because America fought a war to end slavery.

Sure, you are respectful, but I don't want to argue with those who oppose me and just want to focus on telling younger women what to do. Please don't confuse me with the facts. Also, if someone continues to make their point using facts after I've refuted it with an anecdote, it's called arguing and I don't like it.

[Her blog, her choice, but I will call someone on it if they refuse to deal with facts. Debate is not a form of disrespect or rudeness or a personal attack, and if you bring up a point, I'll respect you more if you actually defend it with real facts or concede if you are mistaken.]

[tankgirl]

Besides the obvious bad stuff already touched on here, how the hell did she miss the obvivous pinups who we have all see on bomber planes? Betty Grables butt and legs were every where. Pinups were just part of the porn of the era. It was seen as "Something to remind the boys what they were fighting for back home.". The stuff was everywhere.

Maybe we should send Lori Victorian porn too? Just because there wasn't any internet doesn't mean there wasn't porn. As long as there has been a way, there has been man recording dirty pictures for kicks, it isn't new Lori.

[GeoBQn]

Fun fact: Betty Grable was pregnant when she took that famous photo.

[lilwriter85]

Lori Alexander · 4 hours ago

Thank you, Kathy! I deleted the comment you responded to. I delete any comments that are just plain mean and serve no purpose but to tear me down. It is hard for me to understand why they keep reading and commenting on my blog since they disagree with me the majority of the time. I just pray God will soften their hearts through His Word. This is why I also put Bible verses on my posts. They are mighty to change and to save.

Lori Alexander · 4 hours ago

My mom lived through this time and said American society was a much safer place than it is today. She didn't know anyone who got divorced. In fact, all of her friends stayed married to the spouse of their youth until the day they died. They never worried about being raped or stolen. Like I said in the post, America was far from perfect but God was taught in the schools. Right and wrong was taught. People went to church on Sundays. All the businesses were closed on Sunday. America was a unique country founded upon godly principles which are quickly being done away with.

Keep praying Lori, your God will never soften hearts because many people know that past eras weren't all rainbows and sunshine. The part about Lori's mom having friends who stayed married or not knowing anyone who was divorced doesn't prove much, because no one knows what goes on behind closed doors and rapes have always happened. Many rapes probably never got reported to law enforcement back then.

[2xx1xy1JD]

When someone pointed to statistics saying that the murder rate is lower now than in the 1940's, Lori responded, that she doubts that statistic because it probably doesn't include all of the innocent babies who are murdered through abortion.

Lori, have you ever been to a hospital with a "special gynecology" or "special obstetrics" ward? No? That's because those were the code names for wards where women were seen for injuries due to botched illegal abortions. Those wards magically emptied and closed after Roe v. Wade. It's just another example of how the 1940's weren't any more innocent than now.

Well, you won't find stats on the fetuses of women who used Lysol to cause chemical abortions during the 1940s either.

You will, however, find more references to septic abortion prior to Roe v. Wade if you do a PubMed search. It's often associated with terms like "renal failure" and "death".

In Lana Turner's autobiography, she frankly discussed her 2 abortions, both of which took place during her romanticized era. She also discusses how movies were more censored, and says that she was coerced into her abortions because the movie studios wouldn't tolerate an actress who had a child out of wedlock (she was separating from her 1st husband when she had the first abortion).

The book Intern by Dr. X is an account of a medical internship in 1956. He discusses how hospitals would require proof of necrotic (dead) tissue from a D&C, and discipline a doctor after the third incident. A colleague commented "that allows a doctor to take care of his wife and his girlfriend".

[Artemis]

I called her a coward - which she is - for not letting my comment stay, and she hasn't responded to me by email. Boo hoo, I feel left out. I can't believe she has the arrogance to expect to make these comments and get away with, especially when she whinges about how hard hearted we are. If anyone's hard hearted, it's her, with her complete lack of empathy for her own gender.

[cindyluvs24]

I'm sorry, I read the OP which had Lori's post in itand skipped over here. Is Lori really saying that there was no bad language uttered during the WW2 era because she didn't hear any in a Hallmark TV program? For real? Is she just, stupid?

[polecat]

I figured she was referring to Americans. But Lori's blog post was still stupid for several reasons. Young girls and women were raped and/or murdered in the U.S. during that time period.

Black Dahlia, anyone?

[polecat]

I'm sorry, I read the OP which had Lori's post in itand skipped over here. Is Lori really saying that there was no bad language uttered during the WW2 era because she didn't hear any in a Hallmark TV program? For real? Is she just, stupid?

Yes.

[Artemis]

Well I posted in answer to 'Kathy' and Lori has obviously blocked me, since my comment was deleted without being moderated. Anyone care to take that up for me?

She is such a coward.

[darkplumaged]

Sure, racial and ethnic minorities had fewer rights and opportunities, and overt racism was socially acceptable. Sure, women's lives were constrained in myriad ways. Sure, millions upon millions of Americans, Europeans, and Asians were killed or critically injured in WWII. But BY GOD, stores were closed on Sunday! "God was taught!" Come on, people--PRIORITIES!

(As an aside, I find it interesting that Lori thinks it's the responsibility of "government schools" to teach about God and to teach right from wrong. Shouldn't that be mostly parents' responsibility?)

I was going to say that Lori makes Sarah Palin look like a Mensa member, but I don't know if her primary problem is extreme stupidity or just willful ignorance. More likely it's both.

[lilwriter85]

I think Lori is ignorant and stupid and a lot has to do with her parents. Maybe Lori's mother lived in a low crime area during WWII era and she never heard about violent crimes nearby. Like I said before, she still didn't know the whole stories of what went on in other people's homes when it came to marriage. I'm starting to think Lori's mom is extremely ignorant and stupid. Not trying to be cruel there. IIRC, Lori's mom is in early 80s, my surviving grandmother is 87 and she has mentioned knowing women who were abused by their husbands.

[danvillebelle]

I am truly in awe of her stupidity and willful ignorance.

My family anecdotes from the magical happy better butterflies and rainbows 20th century:

Paternal grandfather - rumble seat baby, born 7 months after g-grandparents married. There is a "5" plainly written over the "6" in the "1916" that's on their marriage license, which I own. He spent the entire time my father and aunt were growing up getting shit-faced drunk and fooling around with other women, which he would then come home and brag about to my grandmother, when he was done verbally abusing my dad. It's a miracle she never ended up with an STD, though I doubt they slept together at all the last 10 years they were married. They had separate bedrooms by the time I came on the scene. She thankfully finally got up the cojones to divorce him in 1976.

Aunt - got pregnant by a guy in the Navy in 1962 when she was 16. She was shuttled off to live with cousins in another city and forced to give the baby up for adoption the minute he was born. Grandparents told NO ONE outside the family. I didn't even find out until I was 16, and I was extremely close to said aunt.

Great aunt - alcoholic and drug addict all through the 40's and 50's, four failed marriages, died in 1962 at the age of 37 as a result of her addictions.

No foul language back then? Really, Lori? I have all the letters my maternal gpa wrote home during WWII. He was a decent, hard-working, honest, pretty great guy. EVERY OTHER WORD is eff this and eff that. It's HOW THEY TALKED in the military, then and now. He also talks several times about the stag films (that's PORN LORI) they'd get to see on occasion.

As for the "I was only talking about MERRICA cause GOD and we're special snowflakes and bad things only happened elsewhere", I just can't even.

Lori makes me stabby. :pull-hair: :angry-banghead:

[Anise]

And here I was under the impression that diamond engagement rings got popular in that era as surety in case the guy ran off after damaging a woman's future marriage prospects. ;)

If Lori applied the same romanticism to today's era as she does the past, she would have nothing to hate, poor woman.

[Fun-Dee]

During WWII my grandma worked in a defense plant, a bar, as a dime a dance girl, not because her husband was off to war, but because he was off drinking and fooling around. My mom recalls being thrilled when my grandma could afford to have the electricity turned back on because they could listen to the radio. My mom was married at age 15. It wasn't until just recently that I learned that my grandma let her get married because my dad (then 19) had a good job, and my mom would be able to eat on a regular basis. They are still married over 60 years later. My mom said that when she got married she cried because she couldn't take her 5 year old brother with her. On the bright side, my grandma divorced and married my grandpa, a wonderful man who my mom eventually called "dad."

[ari_belle]

Today's stupid from Lori. She talks about a Hallmark movie that was partially set during World War II and she goes on and on about it is different from today which is true, but there is stupidity in her post.

The part about divorces made me stabby because some women stayed in bad marriages because of money.

Fundies seem to think the music was "pure" at every point in history until about 1950 onward. Dude, renaissance music was dirty as fuck (no pun intended) and Mozart died of syphilis. Monks in the medieval era would take secular songs and put sacred lyrics to them. I could go on and on.

Get this idea out of your head, fundies. :pull-hair:

[dairyfreelife]

She seems to have left out my comment. I really want to know how she feels about those people during that time period. C'mon, Lori is a monster, your blog is called Always Learning, so think and learn. Also, I'm not happy about her taking my former blog's name as the title to hers.