Young girls and women weren't murdered during WWII era

[lilwriter85]

Today's stupid from Lori. She talks about a Hallmark movie that was partially set during World War II and she goes on and on about it is different from today which is true, but there is stupidity in her post.

The Lost Valentine was on Hallmark last night. It is a movie I highly recommend! It is set in a time in our history when sexual immorality was not nearly as common and society wasn't hyper-sexualized like it is today.

Women knew how to be modest. Their dresses covered up their privates. They looked and acted very feminine. They mostly wore dresses. Most mothers were at home taking care of their children.

Was it a perfect time? No. World War II was in full swing. Most young men were fighting Hitler's evil. Many young men sacrificed their lives. It was a very difficult time in our history.

However, I imagine it was a much easier time to remain sexually pure. There was no Internet where you could get pornography at the click of a mouse. No IPhones either. There were not even any televisions to watch others having sex and sex selling almost everything, including hamburgers. People just listened to radios and talked to each other.

The music was decent and romantic. No vulgar words. Just simple love songs. Sure, there was evil going on. I am sure there was fornication and adultery and everything else but not to the degree it is today. One never heard of young girls and women being abducted and brutally raped and murdered. Most people didn't even have locks on their doors!

Divorce was rare. Parents stayed together and raised their children. Yes, it is easy to romanticize those days and look back with nostalgia but God has placed us here, in this day, for His purposes. They had their struggles and we have ours.

I just think living in a society that wasn't so sexualized would have been good. Good for marriages. Good for young people. Easier for men. Now, most places they go, they see scantily clad women...the mall, the beach, the theater, etc. It isn't an easy time to raise sons to be sexually pure but it is possible because with God, all things are possible. Make it a priority in your life to raise your children in the wisdom and knowledge of God. This is their single greatest protection.

The part about divorces made me stabby because some women stayed in bad marriages because of money.

[twinmama]

Women knew how to be modest. Their dresses covered up their privates.

LOL, pretty attainable definition of modesty if all you cover up is your vag!

I'm pretty sure a freaking Hallmark movie is not the right place to get an accurate description of the past. Talk about rose colored glasses...

And with seemingly 99% fewer distractions and things to do in The Past, I bet there was a lot more sex. Now you can play on your iPhone, watch porn, read, etc, etc. Back in The Past, there was apparently just talking.

[dora]

Easier time be sexually pure? Oh come on!

A large number of US marines stationed in the pacific sent time at camps near here. They give exotic gifts like chewing gum and stockings. The media referred to them as 'over paid, over sexed and over here.'

A family mber got pregnant twice during this time, I'm not certain about the first but I know for sure the second time was an American - she later married him. The first baby was adopted out.

Who could resist a cute accent and a man in uniform who might die in battle next week? In her position I would have fine the same.

[gezykah]

She's romanticizing the same time period during which Albert Fish raped, murdered, and cannibalized a number of girls. From what I've read that case was all over the media when he was tried. These types of horrible crimes have always existed. She'd only needs to open her Bible and actually read it to see that.

[GeoBQn]

I, I can't even . . . I think I need to actually e-mail her.

Women in the camps didn't have the luxury of being modest when they were forced to strip naked on arrival. They didn't have the luxury of being feminine when they had their heads shaved and were given thin, inadequate clothing.

It wasn't easy for women in the camps to remain sexually pure when they were being raped by the Nazis. We are now starting to see the full extent of sexual exploitation in the Holocaust. On Yom Kippur and Yom Hashoah, we remember a classroom of girls and female teachers who committed suicide to avoid rape by the Nazis.

How many families were split up because of genocide, Lori?

OF COURSE NO ONE HEARD OF JEWISH GIRLS BEING RAPED AND MURDERED, BECAUSE AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS AVOIDED REPORTING ON THE HOLOCAUST.

[floridiot]

Well I hope for Pete's sake she was referring to only the experience of AMERICAN women during that era because otherwise I'd recommend reading The Fall of Berlin 1941 to educate herself on the MILLIONS of German women and girls who were mass raped by advancing Red Army soldiers in the weeks and months leading up to and after the war ended. How ignorant to think rape didn't happen then just because women were more modestly dressed. Asshat.

[lipstickgoalie]

This entire piece can be summarized the start of paragraph four. "However, I imagine."

Edited because I do in to know the difference between a paragraph and a line.

[Iokaste]

I don't read Lori's posts and don't follow the discussions about her here very much, but this has got my blood boiling, the stupidity and inorance of this, I can't even...ugh!

1."Women knew how to be modest. Their dresses covered up their privates", don't know what Lori considers "privates", but here in ebil, ebil liberal, egalitarian Scandinavia I can't remember ever seeing a dress that did not cover up "privates", except for the stores in one or two streets in a very specific part of town

2. "One never heard of young girls and women being abducted and brutally raped and murdered. Most people didn't even have locks on their doors!" No, Lori, no one ever heard of it, except for stories whispered from woman to woman about where, who and what to avoid, because as we all know it is the wimenz responsibility to not be attacked. Child molestation and indecent groping of women and girls was very much common! Has this women never read "A tree grows in Brooklyn" or even "Little house on the Prairie"(the one where they live in a railway camp for a while and Ma is afraid to let the girls out of her sight).

3. "Most young men were fighting Hitler's evil. Many young men sacrificed their lives", and those young men were in no way involved with the young women of the countries they fought in, wich is why there were no fatherless babies in Europe when the US-troops returned to the US and no young women whos lives were ruined by that same fact and the ignorance and self-righteousness of the "decent" people in their towns.

4."Divorce was rare. Parents stayed together and raised their children", sure which is why my grandparents in a month get to celebrate 65 years of loveless matrimony, during which time they have driven each other to mental breakdowns on more then one occasion.

Yippe! What a glorious time and what a shame some ignorant, selfloathing, college-ruined feminazis won't accept how much better we'd all be of, if we could only return there!

[Anny Nym]

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3468301566.html

Here ya go ... which one do you fancy, Lori?

Seriously, if it wasn´t already stated Lori had an brain tumor, I would think her refering to a "head surgery" actually means a lobotomy Ken gave her to create the perfect Stepford Zombie for himself.... :doh:

[GeoBQn]

I e-mailed her.

[Artemis]

I may have to create an email address simply to argue with her on that one.

[linnea27]

Only Lori and her ilk could wax nostalgic about the 40s and then ask "Was it a perfect time? No, there was Hitler and war and stuff" almost as an afterthought, as if she isn't quite sure if that is enough to detract from the femininity of long dresses.

[salex]

Today's stupid from Lori. She talks about a Hallmark movie that was partially set during World War II and she goes on and on about it is different from today which is true, but there is stupidity in her post.

The part about divorces made me stabby because some women stayed in bad marriages because of money.

She is an idiot and uneducated....

Divorce was not as common as today, but it was not uncommon--my husband's grandfather who would be about 110 if he were alive, had 5 wives and a girlfriend or two he lived with in his life. My mother in law was passed between relatives for years as a child. Other men stayed married, but slept around or had a long term mistress. Rape was not reported as often as it is now--by young girls or older women-- because of purity isses (damage goods) and lack of ways to prove anything, before DNA, etc.

She ignores the high numbers of rape committed by soldiers from virtually every country during wwii, and the other common use of prostitutes (often, poor starving women in war zones) or forced prostitution that comes with war.

As far as just simple love songs. THe song "in the mood" was popular-- what does she think that people were in the mood for? Don't sit under the apple tree lyrics refer to Lovers Lane and include this verse

I just got word from a guy who heard from the guy next door to me

The girl he met just loves to pet and it fits you to a tee

So, don't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me

Till I come marching home

so what does she think they were doing?

She needs to watch "The best years of our lives" to get more of a feel than she'll get from Hallmark.

[Anny Nym]

I e-mailed her.

Attagirl, I just read your post.

[lilwriter85]

Lori sometimes responds to emails. I know a former FJer and a current one have received messages from her. But I bet she will ignore emails this time around.

[lilwriter85]

I bet this gets taken down later on

Lana · less than 1 minute ago

Ya cause soldiers didn't rape the women in whatever country they were invading.

You are stupid, I take it you don't know ANYTHING about history

[Anny Nym]

Oh, I just wanted to write the same lilwriter85!

I am really curious about the comments from her leghumpers this time.

[Cheetah]

Then there's the whole Comfort Women thing.

"Comfort women were women and girls forced into a prostitution corps created by the Empire of Japan during World War II. The name "comfort women" is a translation of a Japanese name ianfu (慰安婦).[1][2] Ianfu is a euphemism for shōfu (娼婦) whose meaning is "prostitute(s)".[3]

Estimates vary as to how many women were involved, with numbers ranging from as low as 20,000 from some Japanese scholars [4] to as high as 410,000 from some Chinese scholars,[5] but the exact numbers are still being researched and debated. Many of the women were from Korea, China, and the Philippines,[6] although women from Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia and other Japanese-occupied territories were used for military "comfort stations". Stations were located in Japan, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, then Malaya, Thailand, Burma, New Guinea, Hong Kong, Macau, and French Indochina.[7]

According to testimony, young women from countries under Japanese Imperial control were abducted from their homes. In many cases, women were also lured with promises of work in factories or restaurants. Once recruited, the women were incarcerated in "comfort stations" in foreign lands.[8] A Dutch government study described how the Japanese military itself recruited women by force in the Dutch East Indies.[9] It revealed that a total of 300 Dutch women had been coerced into Japanese military sex slavery.[10]" (from wikipedia).

[GeoBQn]

I can't stand when people compartmentalize things about WWII. There's a new book out called "Man of War," in which the author spent a year visiting with a variety of historical reenactment groups. The first chapter is about a group that recreates the Nazi march on Stalingrad. The participants insist that they are not Nazi-sympathizers and that they are doing this because they are interested in the history and military aspects, but whenever the author asks them about the Holocaust, they change the subject. So sorry to have grim reality intrude on your little dress-up time.

[lilwriter85]

Oh, I just wanted to write the same lilwriter85!

I am really curious about the comments from her leghumpers this time.

She has some leghumpers that are pretty stupid and will go with anything she says. She has done similar postings in the past. I recall a posting last year in which she praised the 50s and some of her leghumpers wrote glowing comments on "how good the 50s were". There are times she does piss off her conservative Christian readers because they know better or they don't have some of the extreme views.

[GeoBQn]

She responded with a very WTF e-mail. Am I allowed to post it here?

[uber frau]

I bet this gets taken down later on

And because women didn't have anything to do with the soldiers on leave, and never, ever had sex with them. (Not that consensual sex is comparable to rape, but in Lori's mind it's all the same thing.)

[singsingsing]

That is all 100% accurate... in Magical Hallmark Movie Land.

Three of my four great-grandmothers got pregnant before they were married, in the late 30s or early 40s. I majored in History and I do genealogical research for fun. I'm pretty sure that 'sexual immorality', AKA having sex before marriage, was more common in the past than many people believe.

[Artemis]

I was angry . . .

Lori, even for you this is a ridiculous post, which displays a smug willed ignorance as well as a complete lack of historical understanding or knowledge.

Actually, most mothers weren't at home, taking care of their children. In Britain, at least, most women were required to do some sort of war work. More children were cared for outside the home than ever before.

During this time period hundreds of thousands of women were abducted, raped and brutally murdered. (For hundreds of thousands of them it was done with government authorisation as well: you mentioned Hitler, have you not heard of the Nazi genocides?) Women were raped before being shot at Babi Yar and Chelmno, assaulted before being gassed at Auschwitz and while being starved to death at Belsen, gassed after being experiemented on by Mengele, raped by German, Russian, and, no doubt, British and American soldiers.

You say 'one never heard of'. Quite possibly, in cases other than mass genocides, one never did. The media was not so all pervasive, nor was there the wide dissemination and easy availability of news. Shame - the shame of the women for what had been done to them at the hands of men - prevented many from telling, accusing, achieving justice.

However, the fact that these crimes were not publicised does not mean that they did not happen. My mother was born in 1933. When she was seven, and had been evacuated to the country, a friend of hers was abducted and sexually assaulted in the park. The man who did it never came to trial. During the same time period, my mother in law, as she confessed to me a few years ago with shame and tears, was sexually assaulted by her older brother, in her home. Her parents knew about it, but did nothing, other than to warn her to be careful, and ensure they did not leave the two of them in the house alone. These are two examples known to me personally of sexual assault happening to women in the early 1940s. My mother was seven at the time her friend was assaulted, my mother in law fifteen.

Society has always been sexualised. Students of history understand that the Victorian, and post Victorian 'history' that you romanticise (in such a stupidly simplistic fashion that the sheer banality of your evil is nauseating), was a period of hidden pornography, of hidden evil, of child prostitution and of covert domestic and sexual cruelty beyond your meagre comprehension. Hidden, Lori, not absent. Covert, not publicised.

I would leave you in your pitiful ignorance were it not for the fact that you purport to be a teacher. Know, woman, whereof you speak, before you spout this sanctimonious and misleading claptrap. At least do your research.

I challenge you to publish this post - but I know you will not have the guts, and will cover your cowardice with your little bible verse.

[lilwriter85]

She took down the soldiers/rape comment which I knew would happen. She probably won't allow a lot of comments to go through today. But she let this go through.

Artemis · less than 1 minute ago

Lori, even for you this is a ridiculous post, which displays a smug willed ignorance as well as a complete lack of historical understanding or knowledge.

Actually, most mothers weren't at home, taking care of their children. In Britain, at least, most women were required to do some sort of war work. More children were cared for outside the home than ever before.

During this time period hundreds of thousands of women were abducted, raped and brutally murdered. (For hundreds of thousands of them it was done with government authorisation as well: you mentioned Hitler, have you not heard of the Nazi genocides?) Women were raped before being shot at Babi Yar and Chelmno, assaulted before being gassed at Auschwitz and while being starved to death at Belsen, gassed after being experiemented on by Mengele, raped by German, Russian, and, no doubt, British and American soldiers.

You say 'one never heard of'. Quite possibly, in cases other than mass genocides, one never did. The media was not so all pervasive, nor was there the wide dissemination and easy availability of news. Shame - the shame of the women for what had been done to them at the hands of men - prevented many from telling, accusing, achieving justice.

However, the fact that these crimes were not publicised does not mean that they did not happen. My mother was born in 1933. When she was seven, and had been evacuated to the country, a friend of hers was abducted and sexually assaulted in the park. The man who did it never came to trial. During the same time period, my mother in law, as she confessed to me a few years ago with shame and tears, was sexually assaulted by her older brother, in her home. Her parents knew about it, but did nothing, other than to warn her to be careful, and ensure they did not leave the two of them in the house alone. These are two examples known to me personally of sexual assault happening to women in the early 1940s. My mother was seven at the time her friend was assaulted, my mother in law fifteen.

Society has always been sexualised. Students of history understand that the Victorian, and post Victorian 'history' that you romanticise (in such a stupidly simplistic fashion that the sheer banality of your evil is nauseating), was a period of hidden pornography, of hidden evil, of child prostitution and of covert domestic and sexual cruelty beyond your meagre comprehension. Hidden, Lori, not absent. Covert, not publicised.

I would leave you in your pitiful ignorance were it not for the fact that you purport to be a teacher. Know, woman, whereof you speak, before you spout this sanctimonious and misleading claptrap. At least do your research.

I challenge you to publish this post - but I know you will not have the guts, and will cover your cowardice with your little bible verse.