Little Tait's Preemie Hospital Bill

[salex]

Tait the elder (if 26 is elder) seems to be setting up not for profits left and right, that end up not going anywhere.

Here is another of his facebook pages

facebook.com/pages/The-South-Central-Society-for-Christian-Visionaries-SCSCV/165173506856362?sk=page_map

it appears to have been set up in 2010, but there has been little/no activity on the page since then.

"We were founded due to the following considerations:

- We are standing at a crucial juncture as Christians. The collapse of thousands of years worth of moral, intellectual, and physical capitol is imminent. Millions of individual lives & families, and thousands of communities have been laid waste. Now is the time to play the part of men, and rebuild the fallen walls around us.

- It is hard to take the time necessary to step back, look at the big picture, think long term, and break our life and multi-generational visions into bite size pieces.

- Reformation is a team effort, involving the sharpening that Christian brothers can bring to one another. Networking, and deep friendships play a huge role!

- The ungodly have been the only ones with a plan for far too long!

- Visionaries need an environment where their ideas are thoughtfully considered and not written off as "too big" or "too small"."

[lilwriter85]

They are up to $20,100

[nelliebelle1197]

Oh wow, 26 weekers! Mine were just 29 weekers, but the bill or list of charges for one was 17 pages and the other was 30something pages (he had surgery). It was crazy to see what each shot, monitor and examination costs exactly. Outrageous prices. $500 a day for use of a PULSE OX!

My daughter was 26 weeks, too.

[WonderingInWA]

Wow, they're up to $38,100.

[Maggie Mae]

I "like" how I found out about this through Vision Forum and Free Jinger, and not my local news, who would very much like this story. (One of the TV news directors SERIOUSLY told me he LOVES human interest stories and would only do those if he could. I laughed because I though he was joking. He wasn't.)

I haven't seen anything on Facebook, or in the newspaper, or anything.

This makes me so angry. Medical costs in Alaska (like just about everything, except freezer space) is higher than in the lower 48. Our costs are already skyrocking, without some jackasses refusing to take the help that was offered because socialism.

[WonderingInWA]

Well, and you and see Ellen isn't jumping on the bandwagon to help these people. I mean, she loves to help people, but not people who wouldn't already have helped themselves.

[WonderingInWA]

Up to $39,750. Unbelievable.

[bananacat]

Nope, I'll stay. Glad they're not taking MY money... I pay taxes!

I feel the complete opposite. I have no intention of donating to this cause, but I wish they had accepted tax money. That baby had no choice to be born to these parents and it shouldn't be punished for their stupidity. I want all fundie children and all children generally to get all the help they can from the tax money I pay.

[jenzia1]

The hospital, like any other business, has costs and overhead. Those of you who have stated the reductions are passed onto people with private insurance are correct. The hospital must pay its staff, food expenses, etc. I am an ICU nurse and when people do recover enough to come back and visit us, many complain about their bill. Yes, 24-hour skilled care and diagnostics are expensive. I have a degree, I drive to work, I have a home, I get paid. Ditto for the other employees who incurred debt to gain the education necessary to perform this job. Also, hospitals do "go under." Too many procedures such as emergent C-sections, cardiac care, or bone settings without pay and a hospital can declare bankruptcy and/or close. No, of course it is not ethical to refuse this care, but those supplies need to be repaid for the next patient. As for a government run health care plan, I agree it is the way to go. However, we Americans would then have to accept some degree of rationing such as no open heart surgeries for people over say 85 (I don't have an exact statistic) or waiting months for a knee replacement, etc. Also, the child may look "cute" and healthy but all premies will require close monitoring and care, at least at first. They will need additional vaccinations, infection prevention, weight monitoring, and developmental delay monitoring/care. A child at risk for RSV may certainly be cute. These parents should be forcible sterilized, I suggest a vasectomy which could later be reversed if they become more responsible and reasonable.

[lilwriter85]

I had been doing daily checks in the first days after this thread was made and I then forget about the Zimmermans. I'm not surprised they have raised close to 40 k. I think VF crowd is donating and maybe there have been love offering nights in churches around Alaska.

[salex]

Up to $39,750. Unbelievable.

Shall we begin calling them begging beggars who beg?

[curlytoes79]

So if they don't pay their hospital bill, are they going to go back to the same hospital for the caesarian birth of their next kid? If so, the hospital will probably turn the bill directly over to Medicaid and not even bother charging them the full amount. That would be kind of hilarious, actually...although I doubt the family would have the guts to make a stink about it.

[salex]

I wonder, do these people participate in other "socialist" "Welfare" things, like recieving money from the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividends, or is that "different"?

[NurseNell]

Here is a reply I received today from Vision Forum, after contacting them when they were soliciting for Tait's fund. It was 2 weeks ago I did that, when I didn't get a timely reply I figured I wouldn't hear from them.

Greetings ,

Thank you for contacting Vision Forum.

In regards to your concern, I would like to start off by saying we are well aware of the Zimmeremans and this situation, as they are very good friends with the Vision Forum community. We also realize there are people who disagree with their thinking of using Medicaid, but regardless of whether they have the “right†to use it, I hope we can both agree that the avenue they chose is not wrong. We hold medical programs like this to be fundamentally socialistic, because it is not the states purpose to ‘make’ people purchase or pay for something they are not obligated to buy. We have the personal responsibly as families to make these decisions for how we prepare for medical needs at any time in life, and Vision Forum respects the decision the Zimmerman family made.

Whether you agree with their reasoning on this matter, they are only asking people to donate of their own free will, and if someone wants to minister to this family in that way, that is entirely their decisions. For people such as yourself who are not inclined to donate for whatever reasons, I’m sure the Zimmermins would encourage you to use your money as you think best.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If you have any further questions, please reply to this email or call customer service and we will be happy to assist further.

Sincerely,

[WonderingInWA]

Here is a reply I received today from Vision Forum, after contacting them when they were soliciting for Tait's fund. It was 2 weeks ago I did that, when I didn't get a timely reply I figured I wouldn't hear from them.

Soooo, let's see. Just for starters, does the Vision Forum intern who was forced to write this have a favorite of the 3 ways he's spelled "Zimmerman"?

1) Zimmeremans

2) Zimmerman

3) Zimmermins

There's something fun to snark on right there!

[Maggie Mae]

Apparently, Doug (is a Tool) does not have a grammar/usage guide available for purchase through Vision Forum.

[JemimaPuddle-Duck]

So if they don't pay their hospital bill, are they going to go back to the same hospital for the caesarian birth of their next kid? If so, the hospital will probably turn the bill directly over to Medicaid and not even bother charging them the full amount. That would be kind of hilarious, actually...although I doubt the family would have the guts to make a stink about it.

They have had all of their boys at that same hospital. They have been using Samaritan.

[curlytoes79]

We also realize there are people who disagree with their thinking of using Medicaid, but regardless of whether they have the “right†to use it, I hope we can both agree that the avenue they chose is not wrong. We hold medical programs like this to be fundamentally socialistic, because it is not the states purpose to ‘make’ people purchase or pay for something they are not obligated to buy. We have the personal responsibly as families to make these decisions for how we prepare for medical needs at any time in life, and Vision Forum respects the decision the Zimmerman family made.

Whether you agree with their reasoning on this matter, they are only asking people to donate of their own free will, and if someone wants to minister to this family in that way, that is entirely their decisions. For people such as yourself who are not inclined to donate for whatever reasons, I’m sure the Zimmermins would encourage you to use your money as you think best.

Why do these people have a problem with Medicaid? They seem to think it's okay -- Christian, even -- to "minister" to a struggling family by paying for their medical expenses. So what's the problem with the government requiring people to pay for the medical expenses of struggling families? I thought fundies were all about Bible-based governance.

[hoipolloi]

Why do these people have a problem with Medicaid? They seem to think it's okay -- Christian, even -- to "minister" to a struggling family by paying for their medical expenses. So what's the problem with the government requiring people to pay for the medical expenses of struggling families? I thought fundies were all about Bible-based governance.

And why DON'T these people have a problem with stiffing hospitals and medical care providers for part or all of the huge bills these types of cases incur?

Asshats. Every last one of 'em.

[Maggie Mae]

Why do these people have a problem with Medicaid? They seem to think it's okay -- Christian, even -- to "minister" to a struggling family by paying for their medical expenses. So what's the problem with the government requiring people to pay for the medical expenses of struggling families? I thought fundies were all about Bible-based governance.

Yes, but if we run it through socialistic government (?) then individuals don't have the ability to pick and choose who is "worthy" of medicine.

Jerks. Every last one of them.

[loulou]

I remember these people back when their preemie was born. I can't believe they are still asking for money.

Do they ever consider that God might be working through the government programs? That maybe God would want them to take the help? Probably not. I do not understand their logic.

Thanks for posting the VF letter.

(I used to post on the old board and finally got around to joining again!)

[curlytoes79]

And why DON'T these people have a problem with stiffing hospitals and medical care providers for part or all of the huge bills these types of cases incur?

Asshats. Every last one of 'em.

Psalm 37:21--"The wicked borrows, and pays not again: but the righteous shows mercy, and gives.

So while they're giving an awful lot of people the chance to show mercy, they're still being wicked themselves, it seems.

[Joan of Snarc]

Yes, but if we run it through socialistic government (?) then individuals don't have the ability to pick and choose who is "worthy" of medicine.

Jerks. Every last one of them.

The ebil gubmint STEALS their money. And gives it to THEM. The gubmint takes away the OPPORTUNITY for good Christians to give to charity.

[Buzzard]

Here is a reply I received today from Vision Forum, after contacting them when they were soliciting for Tait's fund. It was 2 weeks ago I did that, when I didn't get a timely reply I figured I wouldn't hear from them.

Ok, I'm sorry. I'm really tired so my logic is broken.

"it is not the states purpose to 'make' people purchase or pay for something they are not obligated to buy."

Da fuq!?

1- you already "pay" for it through taxes

2- you "bought" it by choosing to go to the hospital. Surely Doug Phillips is a tool is not suggesting that sheeple forego medical treatment for their blessings

3- You kind of are "obligated" to "buy" medical treatment because your premature baby is a human being at all stages of life, right? There's also that pesky wimmenz that need medical treatment when things go wrong.

So, In summary. It's already been purchased, years ago and paid for by the taxpayers. By allowing a hospital to recoup their expenses spent years ago you do not "support" a "socialistic" system. It's called paying for shit you used. If you do not want to use other taxpayer funded programs please refrain from driving, calling 911, or playing at any national parks. You do not have to "buy" access to them either.

[WonderingInWA]

Up to $45K! Begging is a good business!