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WonderingInWA

I haven't seen this discussed here before and I did a search before I am now posting this message...

Without further ado, we've got the Tait Zimmerman family begging for money to pay for the preemie birth of their first (of FOUR) children. Little Tait (he's named after his father) was born 3 months premature FOUR YEARS AGO, and they ended up with a lot of medical bills (yet they still decided to have 3 more children after that).

Fast forward to now. They have managed to negotiate some of the bills with the hospital and other medical care. But they are now at the point they need to raise $100,000 in 90 days in order to finally settle the last bill.

Some background info: They got pregnant a month into their marriage and their insurance didn't cover the pregnancy. That's surprising. I'm guessing they didn't HAVE insurance but are too embarrassed to admit it. They do state on their fundraising website that they now have Scamaritan so they rely on other Christians to pay for their other births and medical issues.

Although they qualified for Medicaid at the time Little Tait was born, they turned it down. They felt it was unChristian to take government aid.

AND, donations to their fundraiser are not tax-deductible because "With all the hoops to jump through and the time constraints, obtaining tax exempt status was not feasible". In other words, give us your money and pay taxes on it yourself.

BTW, Daddy Tait is a VF intern graduate and BIL to Phillip LeClerc, the guy who makes movies (he made "Divided", as I recall).

Their fundraising website is here: littletait.com The "FAQ"and "Our Needs" pages are the most interesting.

And....go!

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Oh look how helpful of them to break it down for us: Here is an example of how we can reach $100,000 in 90 days: $250/month for 3 months: 30 people $100/month for

Well, they had a fundraiser in 2009 and got $51,000 to pay a neonatology bill! Um, at what point do you already realize if you're going to need more money, it's best to figure out how t

Yeah, I'll pass, too. But it's so convenient that they broke down the payment structure for us! Why would this information be provided to the donors (like what -- they expect donors to

Melissa19128

Oh look how helpful of them to break it down for us:

Here is an example of how we can reach $100,000 in 90 days:

$250/month for 3 months: 30 people

$100/month for 3 months: 80 people

$75/month for 3 months: 90 people

$50/month for 3 months: 130 people

$25/month for 3 months: 180 people

Yeah... I think I'll pass. I'm kind of shocked they have already raised over $15k!

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AnywhereButHere

Yeah. It's "unChristian" to take government aid but not "unChristian" to rook your fellow Christians out of their money. Gotta love hypocrisy. Although if they've only raised $15,000 out of $100,000 after shilling for 4 years, I guess it's good to know people don't seem to be falling for it in droves.

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WonderingInWA
Yeah. It's "unChristian" to take government aid but not "unChristian" to rook your fellow Christians out of their money. Gotta love hypocrisy. Although if they've only raised $15,000 out of $100,000 after shilling for 4 years, I guess it's good to know people don't seem to be falling for it in droves.

Well, they had a fundraiser in 2009 and got $51,000 to pay a neonatology bill! Um, at what point do you already realize if you're going to need more money, it's best to figure out how to make it a tax deductible fundraiser OR take the government assistance which you already pay taxes to fund?

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Oh look how helpful of them to break it down for us:

Here is an example of how we can reach $100,000 in 90 days:

$250/month for 3 months: 30 people

$100/month for 3 months: 80 people

$75/month for 3 months: 90 people

$50/month for 3 months: 130 people

$25/month for 3 months: 180 people

Yeah... I think I'll pass. I'm kind of shocked they have already raised over $15k!

Yeah, I'll pass, too. But it's so convenient that they broke down the payment structure for us! Why would this information be provided to the donors (like what -- they expect donors to form groups of 30/80/90/130/180 people in order to fund their non tax-deductible fundraiser? Are they crazy? Oh, wait...).

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VooDooChild

Not okay to take something you're qualified for, but okay to beg after you dug yourself into a hole? Good to know.

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erunerune

I don't understand why people who are anti-choice are also anti-government-health-care.

I mean, their baby was born extremely premature and the US has a system to cover what was likely *life-saving* medical care for this child. The family obviously did not have the money to cover the child's care, and if the hospital required full payment to perform services on or around the time of treatment the kid would have been SOL. Why is it "Christian" to negotiate for four years for a "discounted" final bill but not accept government services that exist for the precise purpose of serving the needs of families and kids in their situation?

I would think they'd be thankful that the evil government was "pro-life" enough to care that their child survived despite their irresponsible (IMO) insurance situation.

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terranova

I fail to see how accepting assistance from the government is any less Christian than asking people to give you money? I'm not sure about in the US, but here we pay taxes, which in turn go towards providing health care for people who need it. How is it more Christian to beg?

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WonderingInWA

BTW, they were going in for a scheduled C-section today with baby #4. More medical bills -- woot!

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Cannelle

So...they won't take taxpayer money....but they'll take money from taxpayers? How does that work?

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I guess it never occurs to the family that their refusal to take medicaid or make more effort to generate the money themselves means the hospital and staff who cared for their child are NOT getting paid. How would people feel knowing that they provided a service to someone who then decide, out of principle, to not get the money to pay YOU?! I feel bad for any family with loads of medical bills but this family is monumentally stupid. They should set it up so that people can donate and deduct, and they should have tried to get on medicaid!

I know some would disagree, but I also think, given their financial circumstances where they are essentially begging for money, they should not have had three more kids. If you are begging others to help care for your first child, how can you justify bringing three more children into the world? It's funny that conservatives hate on welfare recipients who get pregnant but I guess slap on a "Christian" title and voila! It's a get out of jail card!

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Oh look how helpful of them to break it down for us:

Here is an example of how we can reach $100,000 in 90 days:

$250/month for 3 months: 30 people

$100/month for 3 months: 80 people

$75/month for 3 months: 90 people

$50/month for 3 months: 130 people

$25/month for 3 months: 180 people

Yeah... I think I'll pass. I'm kind of shocked they have already raised over $15k!

So they need to find at least 510 morons that will support their "cause?" Its called "enabling." Thanks, but no thanks.

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WonderingInWA

And I understand they didn't join Scamaritan until after Little Tait was born so they probably can't qualify for the benefits of that "club" (don't know what else to call it). But if their hospital bills have truly been in negotiation until now, it seems like they should be covered. Maybe that's the $15k they've already raised?

I feel like they are hiding some things.

And I wonder what today's C-section will cost? Maybe they can just tack that on to their fundraising goal. Hallelujah! Another blessing!

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OkToBeTakei
I fail to see how accepting assistance from the government is any less Christian than asking people to give you money? I'm not sure about in the US, but here we pay taxes, which in turn go towards providing health care for people who need it. How is it more Christian to beg?

Better to be a beggar than an evil socialist.

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hoipolloi

I have no respect for these selfish assholes. Wish the IRS would come after them - are they reporting all of these "donations"? And now they're having baby #4 with a C-Section. Who's paying that bill? Scamaritan? Or will they again incur all of the costs & expenses and then spend years enlisting Scamaritan's help to force down the providers' fees while fund-raising from the gullible on the side?

How would Mr. Tait feel if I engaged his or his company's services as realtors (donzimmerman.com), at their established charges, and then reneged on paying all while demanding that they reduce their fees to something I either felt like paying or begged money from others to pay? Somehow, I doubt they'd go along with my demands.

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Drunkenbutterfly

Coming from a socialist country, I have to wonder: When you negotiate a bill down, will the rest be covered somehow by the government or do they write it off or...? From $750000 to $100000, $ 650000 is a lot of money not being paid, not to mention the 4 years pending bill when the hospital can't hold off paying the staff or utility bills etc. for sure.

I find it quite interesting that while it says on their homepage that they are cutting down in each possible area, they don't mention how much they are contributing towards the bill themselves. Tait's FB is full of how many houses he is selling, so they are probably well-off. Plus, knowing that this bill would come eventually, one could expect that they started saving some serious money in the last 4 years.

Also, if I would be a member of SM, I would be superpissed if someone would expect me to pay for their c-sections, knowing for sure that they will come with each new baby due to Lauren's high-risk pregnancies. OT: Dito for the Nathan Maxwell family.

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These people make me so angry. I had preemie twins. I took government help to cover the NICU bill because it was offered and it took a huge load off of our family. I can't believe they passed that up only to beg strangers for money four years later.

Selfish and foolish.

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Adorable to see how people get off their high horses once the chips are down. Not that smart anymore eh?

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WonderingInWA
Wish the IRS would come after them - are they reporting all of these "donations"?

How would Mr. Tait feel if I engaged his or his company's services as realtors (donzimmerman.com), at their established charges, and then reneged on paying all while demanding that they reduce their fees to something I either felt like paying or begged money from others to pay? Somehow, I doubt they'd go along with my demands.

My guess is they aren't reporting the donations at all -- just collecting them under the table. So the donor is expected to pay the taxes on that money. How convenient is that? Free money from generous Christians! Woo-hoo!

And that Don Zimmerman website is an eyesore! I only spent about 20 seconds there to realize it looks like a used car lot site. Yikes. Interesting that he advertises that he'll sell your home in 90 days or it's free! Is that like the olden days of Domino's pizza and the 30-minute guaranteed delivery time? Nice!

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gustava

My guess is they aren't reporting the donations at all -- just collecting them under the table. So the donor is expected to pay the taxes on that money. How convenient is that? Free money from generous Christians! Woo-hoo!

And that Don Zimmerman website is an eyesore! I only spent about 20 seconds there to realize it looks like a used car lot site. Yikes. Interesting that he advertises that he'll sell your home in 90 days or it's free! Is that like the olden days of Domino's pizza and the 30-minute guaranteed delivery time? Nice!

I'm confused. I thought Little Tait was named after his father. Who is Don Zimmerman?

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WonderingInWA

I'm confused. I thought Little Tait was named after his father. Who is Don Zimmerman?

I think Don Zimmerman is Big Tait's dad.

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chaotic life

For those of you in ebil socialized medicine, when someone "negotiates" their medical bills down, they are actually recieving charity from the hospital, who rolls the costs back around to.....those of us with private health insurance.

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hoipolloi
For those of you in ebil socialized medicine, when someone "negotiates" their medical bills down, they are actually recieving charity from the hospital, who rolls the costs back around to.....those of us with private health insurance.

Well, yes.

This is why I think Tait Zimmerman & co. are selfish assholes.

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