Child Collectors Extraordinaire

[Joan of Snarc]

My first though was perhaps they don't think Haysa will survive, but all will be okay since now they have her in their god fearing family. So really Haysa dying would be a blessing because now she is saved and knows god? So she doesn't need a doctor.

Intellectually, she'll never be able to "know God" or be saved. She would fall into that "before the age of accountability"-type loophole where she would get to heaven without being saved because she is incapable of making decisions or understanding.

I think that first hospital Adeye took her to seemed to be saying, "This is your crazy problem crazy lady. You brought it on yourself. You deal with it." While I think that's terrible, this is where some advance planning from Adeye would have helped. She should have had a plan for where to take this sick kid. To think any average health-care provider would be equipped to deal with this is naive.

Adeye has put her need to be a savior above the child's medical needs.

[dianapavelovna]

Know what is MISSING from that post though?? Kael....the afterthought who is bonding with siblings and no mother, which will continue an orphanage mentality and burden those older brothers to take a parenting role for him so mom can care for Haysa.

She had NO business adding Kael to this adoption. She's done a terrific job advocating and motivating other families to adopt special needs children. If she had done that for Kael, she would have found him a home with her fans just like she's done for dozens of other children. By adopting him with Haysa when she CANNOT meet his needs, she condemns him to not getting the same chance as Hasya. She also is taking away Haven, Hailee AND Harper's primary caregiver and leaving siblings and dad to carry the burden of them. They are still fragile children who NEED their primary caregiver and they won't continue to thrive without momma there either.

Her husband (ugh) posted on his blog about the two new adoptions on Tuesday, and it's clear that while Kael is not as ill as Hasya, he definitely needs the full attention of a primary caregiver too - for his health, not just bonding and attachment.

nogreaterjoydad.com/2013/01/for-those-who-feel-orphans-have-better.html

[chaotic life]

No, being sent home by the local hospital with inadequate care and her dying would not ban them from adopting again in the future.

I just fail to understand why she was entering via ER services in the first blasted place. Where is the primary doctor assuming care of that child???? Where was the decision to NOT do a direct admission of that child upon entry to the US? Where are the specialists that KNEW SHE WAS COMING SO THEY COULD ASSUME IMMEDIATE CARE???

The woman posting for her says this hospital stay will get all of the referrals she needs in one stop. That leads me to suspect there were NO specialists consulted nor put on warning that this child was coming. That was incredibly STUPID and IRRESPONSIBLE.

There should have been a specialist for her primary diagnosis AND a primary Pediatrician (and while I'm a big fan of family medicine I have to agree with my sister who would say that child MUST see a Pediatrician and not a Family doctor). They should have had access to all of her available medical records. They should have had a plan of action for traveling with her, for hooking her into care immediately and to do a direct admission to Children's if it was evident it was necessary.

It wasn't just naive, it was dangerous I've never actually seen the transer of care of a child that fragile so lacksidasical and incompetent.

I did have to utilize an ER shortly after one of my kids came home. I consulted with the resident on call for the specialist for two hours before HE instructed us to the local ER. When we got there, he had already called them to tell them what to do, I gave them exactly the information he instructed me to give them, and we were escorted directly to a room instead of sitting in the waiting room.

It actually makes me VERY concerned about how she truly transitioned Hailee, who was also quite fragile at homecoming. She was in this exact same house when Hailee came home. She should have the SAME team of specialists for Hasya that worked with Hailee. She should never had needed to resort to what she did to get medical care.....unless she thought she was just going to love that child enough to rescue her. I actually think she is genuine that uneducated on the medical issues she is adopting, and that makes me VERY nervous for how and why she has continued to get approved for these adoptions.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

So you have all exclaimed shock about Adeye not taking Haysa to Doctor immediately and I totally agree. I'm still reeling over the fact that this kid hadn't received any seizure meds since the couple drops at the orphanage. What the hell is she thinking?

That boggles my mind too. I have no experience with kids but I DO know that seizure meds are not something you switch around on a whim or go off of cold turkey, so it seems if the adoptive mom had gotten specialists signed on (or even just plain CONFERRED with!!) before the kid was removed from the orphanage, they could have gotten at least a matching prescription for whatever she was on to make sure they didn't run out (so, get a bit extra in Bulgaria, then arrive in the US to at least a little while worth of the same stuff, WHATEVER it was just the same), then the new doctors can reevaluate and switch meds if needed in the normal gradual way. It's your BRAIN at stake, don't mess around!

Or maybe you can't legally get meds until she arrives and is seen by the neurologist or what? But surely they can buy extra in Bulgaria using whatever prescription the orphanage had obtained?

That's something else too - reading about the horrible orphanage stories, you see all the neglect. But it's not as if the entire country runs like that. If the adoptive parents show up with $$$ and suitable "normal" social status and whatever, with resources, they should be able to pay to access medical services or buy prescriptions or whatever it is, in Bulgaria, yes? Kids in regular households not given up for adoption have normal access. I mean, you go on vacation there and get hurt, you can go to the hospital and everything else. If you google around the city this orphanage is in, there's plenty of normal scenes and normal people.

Here in the US we have children dying of infection from rotten teeth too - because dental coverage on Medicaid can be hard to come by and people are extremely poor. That doesn't mean that people with money and insurance and generally "living the 'normal' life" are similarly having problems. If some foreigner were to adopt a kid from the US with a bad infection from a rotten abscess, we would think that they could, if time were an issue, take the kid to the hospital in the US before leaving and get a prescription for antibiotics to start on before the trip abroad.

It actually makes me VERY concerned about how she truly transitioned Hailee, who was also quite fragile at homecoming. She was in this exact same house when Hailee came home. She should have the SAME team of specialists for Hasya that worked with Hailee. She should never had needed to resort to what she did to get medical care.....unless she thought she was just going to love that child enough to rescue her. I actually think she is genuine that uneducated on the medical issues she is adopting, and that makes me VERY nervous for how and why she has continued to get approved for these adoptions.

Reading her blog (at least for me, as an outsider who has never adopted) it does read like she thought that just loving and feeding would be most of the need. That surely, at some point the kid would need PT/OT and whatever else, but that they'd be able to worry about that later once the kid was plumped up a bit, or something. I don't even know.

It's quite interesting reading your educated and experienced thoughts on all this, btw.

[chaotic life]

You cannot get a prescription filled in the child's name prior to traveling to get her, no. However, you CAN get samples or a donation from a drug rep to carry with you and have on hand. You can fill a script as soon as she hits US soil and have it on hand as well.

You can also syringe feed her, even force it if you must, to keep her from becoming as dehydrated as she got.

That child does not function at all right now. You can take a syringe and drip small drops of formula into the back of her cheek, then gentlely hold her mouth closed, lift her chin and blow gentlely to trigger a swallow reflex. It's very similiar to how you get meds into a dog or cat but can be done gentlely, even though the term is force feeding. You also could have had a primary doctor immediately drop an NG tube into her and start a slow, continous drip of formula. For that matter, you could have taken her to a doctor in Bulgaria to have it done before traveling.

One placed NG tube and some 60cc syringes, and YES you could have gotten those before traveling and taken them with you. She would still require a g-tube placement (I am absolutely STUNNED they didn't grasp she was going to require an immediate g-tube placement). However, you could start nutrition therapy immediately. She could have found a Pediatric nurse to travel WITH her, competent to place an NG tube for travel. Every nurse is trained in placing NG tubes. Its part of nursing practice in the US.

I took a kid to a Pediatric hospital in New Delhi. The hotel was so stunned we adopted a high medical needs child that they paid for the taxi drive. The hotel doctor was so stunned at what we were doing, he went WITH us to his friend who ran the Pediatric hospital. We paid the hotel doctor $10 US and the Pediatric hosptail ER (for both the visit and the Pediatrician personally doing the IV push of medicaion he needed because apparently IV pushes are not part of nursing practice in India) cost us $20. For $30 we halted the symptoms of a possible brain bleed for 48 hours in India so we could transport him stateside. I followed the protocal HIS SPECIALIST set up before I left. I communicated with his specialist en route repeatedly. I was fully repared to disembark in Amsterdam if he detabilized in ANY way. Since his symptoms appeared to be getting better by the time we got home, his doctors allowed us to sleep the night and bring him in for medical care IN OFFICE the next morning. If he had not been stable, they would have personally met us at the ER and trumped the ER doctor and admitted him to their care at Children's.

She could have traveled with that child a LOT safer than she did. I think she feared if she got help, she wouldn't get the medical clearance required to travel. She's wrong. The airline did require we get medial clearance to travel. The airport doctor in New Delhi not only cleared us, he didn't charge us, he set it up that we were to get either First Class or bulkhead seating, and he gave me his email address and requested I communicate the outcome to him. He also CRIED to hear our story.

[Emme]

You cannot get a prescription filled in the child's name prior to traveling to get her, no. However, you CAN get samples or a donation from a drug rep to carry with you and have on hand. You can fill a script as soon as she hits US soil and have it on hand as well.

You can also syringe feed her, even force it if you must, to keep her from becoming as dehydrated as she got.

That child does not function at all right now. You can take a syringe and drip small drops of formula into the back of her cheek, then gentlely hold her mouth closed, lift her chin and blow gentlely to trigger a swallow reflex. It's very similiar to how you get meds into a dog or cat but can be done gentlely, even though the term is force feeding. You also could have had a primary doctor immediately drop an NG tube into her and start a slow, continous drip of formula. For that matter, you could have taken her to a doctor in Bulgaria to have it done before traveling.

One placed NG tube and some 60cc syringes, and YES you could have gotten those before traveling and taken them with you. She would still require a g-tube placement (I am absolutely STUNNED they didn't grasp she was going to require an immediate g-tube placement). However, you could start nutrition therapy immediately. She could have found a Pediatric nurse to travel WITH her, competent to place an NG tube for travel. Every nurse is trained in placing NG tubes. Its part of nursing practice in the US.

I took a kid to a Pediatric hospital in New Delhi. The hotel was so stunned we adopted a high medical needs child that they paid for the taxi drive. The hotel doctor was so stunned at what we were doing, he went WITH us to his friend who ran the Pediatric hospital. We paid the hotel doctor $10 US and the Pediatric hosptail ER (for both the visit and the Pediatrician personally doing the IV push of medicaion he needed because apparently IV pushes are not part of nursing practice in India) cost us $20. For $30 we halted the symptoms of a possible brain bleed for 48 hours in India so we could transport him stateside. I followed the protocal HIS SPECIALIST set up before I left. I communicated with his specialist en route repeatedly. I was fully repared to disembark in Amsterdam if he detabilized in ANY way. Since his symptoms appeared to be getting better by the time we got home, his doctors allowed us to sleep the night and bring him in for medical care IN OFFICE the next morning. If he had not been stable, they would have personally met us at the ER and trumped the ER doctor and admitted him to their care at Children's.

She could have traveled with that child a LOT safer than she did. I think she feared if she got help, she wouldn't get the medical clearance required to travel. She's wrong. The airline did require we get medial clearance to travel. The airport doctor in New Delhi not only cleared us, he didn't charge us, he set it up that we were to get either First Class or bulkhead seating, and he gave me his email address and requested I communicate the outcome to him. He also CRIED to hear our story.

Yeah, my friend adopted a little girl who needed heart surgery and she had a medical professional with her, pulse ox, bp cuff, and access to o2 as needed. THAT is how you do it, just like you did chaotic. I'm not surprised you handled that so well, you're a badass.

I will say that doctors in Eastern Europe are HORRIBLE to children with special needs. If she had been admitted there, they would not have handled her kindly at all. They have been known to refuse to treat children with Down syndrome or to bang their head into things while transporting. It's really terrible. She should have had someone meet her and go STRAIGHT to the hospital, with a child as ill as that.

[chaotic life]

What is stunning is that I made all of the plans and transported my Indian child without EVER having actually met him first. I told the adoption agency what I needed. They told the orphanage to get it for me. We had copies of all of his medical records and his MRI. I took those to his Specialist and with that we formulated our plan for transporting him, including taking $2K in life sustaining medication that the doctor got DONATED for us.

Adeye was in Bulgaria in August. She had a chance to assess that child for herself AND access medical records. Haysa is one of the children that was taken to the hospital for nutritional rehabilitation last spring. There was a doctor who worked with Hasya, and who had reliable and up to date medial records on that child. Adeye should have gone with a checklist of what to look for and assess for. She's not a medical person, but she's got THREE children prior to this with medical special needs. She could have done a rudamentary assessment to take back to the receiving doctors. She could have gotten a full medication list of what Haysa was on. She had time to have that reviewed and translated. For heaven's sake, she had time to get a specialist in international adoption medicine to consult on the case! There IS a specialist in this country who has seen EXACTLY what Haysa has been through. Angelina Jolie had her admit Zahara directly to the hospital as soon as they left the airport and you do NOT need to be a celebrity to consult with her. She built her entire practice on specializing on the unique issues of medical needs international adoptees. She could have reviewed Haysa's records and even told you what specialists to consult. Last I checked a consult with her takes 2 months. Haysa had five months, plenty of time to adequately prepare.

Baring all of that, I'm pretty sure they did not get from CO to Bulgaria without a stop somewhere in between. Any Western European country could have provided medical care. The clinic nurse at the Amsterdam airport let me know what the process would be if my child wasn't stable to get to his next flight to stateside. None of us wanted to go that route, but if his symptoms of the medical crisis had returned, we would have done it.

I think Adeye was focused on how uncomfortable and neglected Haysa was and how good nutrition and love would make her feel "better." I've seen comments about not continuing lots of recommended therapies for her other children in the past. I think she truly thought she could just love her, let her stretch out and get her medical care later. That's NOT how it works. What happened is exactly what happens if you take a child who has been in that situation for 14 years and immediately remove them from it. Perhaps I get a little arrogant that I have the medical background but honestly you should NOT be approved to adopt these kids if you don't grasp these issues. I'm unique in my circles of complex medical needs adoptive homes. Most of my friends do NOT have medical backgrounds, yet they grasp these fundamentals just as firmly as I do.

They appear to have done little to nothing.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Speaking of which... do we know what adoption agency she went through? I'm just curious how they screen people or what they do (if anything?) to handle all this special medical needs business. Would Adeye or similar "let's feed them first and see how they do" attitudes be normal for them, or is she an outlier, or what?

She's very religious, I presume it's a religious agency? (I guess I should go read the back issues of her blog, but just thought maybe one of her regular readers has the goods...)

I've read about some of these "children confined to cribs who are the size of infants" before and there just seems to be some naive "if only people will take them out and feed them all will be ok" imagery going on.

[chaotic life]

I have absolutely NO idea who she adopted through, honestly.

I know she did her Ukrainian adoptions as a single parent, despite being married, because her husband doesn't qualify for Ukrainian adoptions. A quick search shows WACAP, One World Adoptions, Children's House Intenational, Adoption Ark, EAC, Christian World Adoption, possibly Gladney, etc.

Off the top of my head, I can identify two of those I know are good, solid, reputable agencies, two I absolutely know are unethical and should be shut down and the rest are in iffy, grey area.

Oh, sorry, I see All God's Children also is working there. Yeah....I'll leave my opinion of that one unsaid.

So....I can identify three agencies in that quick search who would let her do ANYTHING she wanted so long as she can prove she's a good, solid Christian family. I sure as heck wouldn't work with most of those agencies, but there are two I would and both of those I know for a FACT would require I provide documented proof of my ability to to parent such children and my plan for how I intended to meet the needs of the special needs child I was pursuing.

That said, regardless of the position of the adoption agency, US Immigration requires you to also file evidence you can provide for the need of a child with existing medical conditions. I just suspect she blew smoke through that paperwork step. Although, that might honestly by why she took two boys to Bulgaria and did the Ukraine trip solo. Kinda hard to pass your interview and demonstrate you are capable if you are alone with children even older than Hailee who are bedridden and unable to self propel, much less self regulate.

[Joan of Snarc]

I have absolutely NO idea who she adopted through, honestly.

I know she did her Ukrainian adoptions as a single parent, despite being married, because her husband doesn't qualify for Ukrainian adoptions. A quick search shows WACAP, One World Adoptions, Children's House Intenational, Adoption Ark, EAC, Christian World Adoption, possibly Gladney, etc.

Off the top of my head, I can identify two of those I know are good, solid, reputable agencies, two I absolutely know are unethical and should be shut down and the rest are in iffy, grey area.

Oh, sorry, I see All God's Children also is working there. Yeah....I'll leave my opinion of that one unsaid.

So....I can identify three agencies in that quick search who would let her do ANYTHING she wanted so long as she can prove she's a good, solid Christian family. I sure as heck wouldn't work with most of those agencies, but there are two I would and both of those I know for a FACT would require I provide documented proof of my ability to to parent such children and my plan for how I intended to meet the needs of the special needs child I was pursuing.

That said, regardless of the position of the adoption agency, US Immigration requires you to also file evidence you can provide for the need of a child with existing medical conditions. I just suspect she blew smoke through that paperwork step. Although, that might honestly by why she took two boys to Bulgaria and did the Ukraine trip solo. Kinda hard to pass your interview and demonstrate you are capable if you are alone with children even older than Hailee who are bedridden and unable to self propel, much less self regulate.

Was her husband not on the trip to pick up these children? She got both Kael and Hasya on the same trip, right?

[dairyfreelife]

I have absolutely NO idea who she adopted through, honestly.

I know she did her Ukrainian adoptions as a single parent, despite being married, because her husband doesn't qualify for Ukrainian adoptions. A quick search shows WACAP, One World Adoptions, Children's House Intenational, Adoption Ark, EAC, Christian World Adoption, possibly Gladney, etc.

Off the top of my head, I can identify two of those I know are good, solid, reputable agencies, two I absolutely know are unethical and should be shut down and the rest are in iffy, grey area.

Oh, sorry, I see All God's Children also is working there. Yeah....I'll leave my opinion of that one unsaid.

So....I can identify three agencies in that quick search who would let her do ANYTHING she wanted so long as she can prove she's a good, solid Christian family. I sure as heck wouldn't work with most of those agencies, but there are two I would and both of those I know for a FACT would require I provide documented proof of my ability to to parent such children and my plan for how I intended to meet the needs of the special needs child I was pursuing.

That said, regardless of the position of the adoption agency, US Immigration requires you to also file evidence you can provide for the need of a child with existing medical conditions. I just suspect she blew smoke through that paperwork step. Although, that might honestly by why she took two boys to Bulgaria and did the Ukraine trip solo. Kinda hard to pass your interview and demonstrate you are capable if you are alone with children even older than Hailee who are bedridden and unable to self propel, much less self regulate.

How does a married woman qualify as a single parent for adoption? That concerns me, and why her husband doesn't qualify.

Which two are reputable? I've heard EAC is good agency, but I could be wrong.

[adayinthelife]

I'm curious about when she completed those Ukrainian adoptions. Ukraine stopped allowing single mothers to adopt from them but I can't remember when that was put into place.

[C Potter-Pirbright]

How does a married woman qualify as a single parent for adoption? That concerns me, and why her husband doesn't qualify.

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I believe at 52 years old in 2010 he was considered too old to adopt from their program?I remember reading this but I can't find the post at the moment.

[dianapavelovna]

I believe at 52 years old in 2010 he was considered too old to adopt from their program?I remember reading this but I can't find the post at the moment.

Yes, he was too old to qualify for the Ukrainian adoptions. They also had to rush Adeye's US citizenship through for those adoptions. I, too, would love to know who her agency is, but I don't think she's ever mentioned it on the blog.

She went to Ukraine alone to get Hailee and Harper, but took her two oldest bio sons to get Hasya and Kael. I think they're 14 and 12 or so. The fact that her husband didn't go on either trip was an issue of money and time off from work, as I recall.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Where is Adeye from, that she had to naturalize?

(Okay I guess I'm just gonna have to read this blog from the beginning. I suspect it will make me annoyed, but hey, that's what beer is for... honestly I never HEARD of this family until this week and now I'm all obsessed...)

[dianapavelovna]

Where is Adeye from, that she had to naturalize?

(Okay I guess I'm just gonna have to read this blog from the beginning. I suspect it will make me annoyed, but hey, that's what beer is for... honestly I never HEARD of this family until this week and now I'm all obsessed...)

South Africa - and the reason I know all this is because I read the blog start to finish a few weekends ago. Like you, I was/am totally obsessed! And yes, it is definitely annoying, but snarking on it here at FJ makes it all the better... 8-)

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Heh. I love this website, I mean, where else would I find other people also obsessed with this stuff? :lol:

I'm reading the whole thing through myself now. I did find out that the first kid they adopted after starting the blog (Haven) they named the agency, it was "All God's Children."

Still only a few months in...

[gardenvarietycitizen]

...and yeah, I'm a few months in, reading about them adopting their second kid (first one after starting the blog, back in 2008). This girl has autism, which is why a previous adoption attempt with another family was called off. Adeye writes, shortly before travelling to pick the girl up from China:

One of the main things that I have prayed for over the last year is Haven's transition into our family. Funny, I am not too concerned about her special needs, I have actually given it all very little thought. So many people have suggested that I educate myself about autism and be prepared for the road ahead, but it has just not mattered to me. I have always felt that I will handle things as they come up, just deal with it. But, her little heart and the journey that she will make into our family is the thing that has concerned me the most. She is an afraid, terrified little girl....the first few days could be absolutely frightening for her. God so encouraged me...He has once again gone before us, He is holding her heart and protecting her even now...just as He has done since the day she was born. Everlasting Father!!!

Granted, it's a different kid, different issues, but... that's the vibe I was getting from some of the more recent posts too. The "as long as we have Jesus, it'll all work out somehow" thing.

...back to reading...

[AuntCloud]

Let me see if I get Adeye's logic straight: acknowledgement of a serious issue or special need of a child equals somehow not wanting them enough or loving them the right way? It's ok, you know, to realize there's a huge issue and still go ahead with the adoption. Learning about an issue doesn't make a kid less worthy.

It looks like Adeye sees special needs as a label society puts on kids and needs to be un-stuck (which makes it totally society's fault!), rather than a real difficulty a child may have. Reminds me of a friend with twins, one of which has some serious learning issues and is somewhere on the autistic spectrum. She always made a big point of treating the kids just the same, while badgering the "typical" twin to watch out for his sibling. She never had his assessed because she doesn't want him to be labelled. I try to remind her that the kid's issues will still be there regardless of the label, but she refuses to listen or look into any special education programs. He's falling behind in school and will fall further behind as he progresses into junior high and high school. Doesn't really matter, because my friend (who is an otherwise intelligent person) "doesn't want him to feel different".

[bbtlover]

I was pregnant with a special needs child and totally did my homework about what kind of life she would have had. We talked with the genetic cousellor, the cardiologist, the neurologist, the perinatalogist, and the pediatrician on what to expect with Down Syndrome. We could never not do the research on how tough it was going to be. We don't need all of that info now,but I am glad we did do it. Adeye needs to realize that God helps those who help themselves (did I get that right, I'm not really that religious). She needs to talk to the specialists and do what is right for those kids she has.

The story with Hasya is so heartbreaking. Since she already had special needs kids in her house that have the specialists that Hasya would need, why didn't she have them with her when she went to Bulgaria to bring Hasya home? She could have had it all set up at Denver Children's Hospital to have Hasya admitted as soon as she landed in Denver. She needs to focus on her children in her home and not do anymore adopting of special needs children.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

...up to October 2010 now (they moved to VA, and just adopted the two kids from Ukraine).

What. A. Blog. Gotta go read this thread again now with more info understood. It's interesting, she has several posts where she mentions getting harsh criticism from people about the "kid collecting" vibe (which she doesn't publish).

[hapamama]

...up to October 2010 now (they moved to VA, and just adopted the two kids from Ukraine).

What. A. Blog. Gotta go read this thread again now with more info understood. It's interesting, she has several posts where she mentions getting harsh criticism from people about the "kid collecting" vibe (which she doesn't publish).

IIRC, they moved from CO to VA after they adopted Harper and Hailee, because one of them had a heart defect that wasn't doing well in high altitude.

[hapamama]

I followed the blogs of some other extremely emaciated children coming out of Eastern European orphanages (4 separate children)... Adeye is the only one who didn't take her child straight from the airport to the closest children's hospital...

[Joan of Snarc]

I followed the blogs of some other extremely emaciated children coming out of Eastern European orphanages (4 separate children)... Adeye is the only one who didn't take her child straight from the airport to the closest children's hospital...

:angry-banghead: :angry-cussingblack: :violence-instagib:

She is damn lucky that child didn't die.

[chaotic life]

She has repeatedly stated that Haven does NOT have Autism but has PTSD. I've adopted two children with PTSD and one with Autism and even what details she *does* post, I have never heard ANYTHING she's posted that would indicate Haven has PTSD and nothing that wouldn't make me immediately assume Autism.

It's fine to adopt an autistic child, I certainly did. It's once again dishonest to deny what is truly wrong.

She's also not the first special need they adopted. Their first adoption was a HepB positive child. However, I just don't consider HepB+ anywhere in the caliber of the special needs her other children have displayed.

But yes, unfortunately and especially as I watch her with these adoptions, I am more and more convinced that she does NOT prepare for the needs of her children but assumes love and Jesus will heal everything. AGCI allows you to adopt multiple, non-related children with little requirements to prove you can manage their medical conditions and are highly favorable and popular with large families who believe it's better to rescue children than adopt ethically and responsibly.