People is reporting that Michelle Duggar miscarried MERGED

[lilwriter85]

I agree with others, if the Duggars tried to go back how they used to be, problems with younger kids would arise. I agree I can see Hannie hating frumpers and I can see the boys hating used clothes or getting certain used toys.

[emmiedahl]

I would certainly rather my daughter survive. Whatever the situation, her survival would be the utmost priority and trump any rights I feel I deserve as a parent.

[Angri-la]

I posted this on the wrong thread- I am mixing up my trolls and flouncin fundies today!

http://i.imgur.com/8lyuE.jpg

Whose cat made them have an abortion? Not mine! Some of you know she is so holy, she headcovers.

[emmiedahl]

http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/duggar-family-fetus-tweet-tasteful-or-tasteless-video

Similar poll here, but the majority find it "tasteful". grumph!

To be fair, there was ONE positive choice and two negative ones. "Tasteless" and "just plain weird" collectively have more than half the vote. Still, I am surprised that so many people consider this tasteful. Even if I approved, that would not be the word I used for this whole circus.

[lilwriter85]

I think some people who side with the Duggars have the belief that people should be able to grieve however they want to. I have seen comments on different sites in which people are mostly annoyed with Duggars saying they want privacy, but yet they are still communicating with media about Jubileee.

[Witsec1]

I posted this on the wrong thread- I am mixing up my trolls and flouncin fundies today!

http://i.imgur.com/8lyuE.jpg

Whose cat made them have an abortion? Not mine! Some of you know she is so holy, she headcovers.

lol! And how many of us speak cat all that well? Whereas with men, most do speak some type of human language and seem to have no problem expressing opinions most of the time.

[Buzzard]

I agree with others, if the Duggars tried to go back how they used to be, problems with younger kids would arise. I agree I can see Hannie hating frumpers and I can see the boys hating used clothes or getting certain used toys.

They'll never go back. They're royalty! The non tv days will be spent touring, writing books and speaking at homeskool meetings.

[deelaem]

There's an article on Yahoo right now that's titled "Why Michelle Duggar Deserves Our Respect". Gag me with a shovel. :roll:

[Black Aliss]

They'll never go back. They're royalty! The non tv days will be spent touring, writing books and speaking at homeskool meetings.

In other words they will be the fundie equivalent of the has-been rock bands who once played arenas, but now are happy to get gigs at casinos and state fair grandstands.

[Angri-la]

lol! And how many of us speak cat all that well? Whereas with men, most do speak some type of human language and seem to have no problem expressing opinions most of the time.

Cats don't allow their sperm donors rights to their litters, and they are hoo-wahs that can haz many babydaddies @ once!

[lilwriter85]

I do think the Duggars will continue speaking at homeschooling conventions and fundie events as a way to keep their popularity with some fundie circles and also to make some money.

As for the new article on Michelle deserving respect, I'm reading it now and the author has a few details wrong.

[Witsec1]

Cats don't allow their sperm donors rights to their litters, and they are hoo-wahs that can haz many babydaddies @ once!

Furry little sluts! I'm sure your holy head-covering kitty will raise many kitten-arrows for Ceiling Cat.

[gustava]

Hi, I'm new here. I had originally found the site after Jezebel posted about the funeral pictures. After lurking here a little and watching some of the recent 19 Kids and Counting episodes OnDemand (I felt physically ill watching Jason in the orchestra pit and J'chelle's reaction), I don't think this show can be canceled fast enough. I already feel like I want to cancel my subscription to People with all the press releases in the past week.

Welcome to FJ.

[lilwriter85]

Welcome to FJ.

I also welcome to you FJ, love your username.

[Sola]

Righhhht....

So a young woman is old enough to have sex. Old enough to become pregnant. Can decide to have the baby and raise it, but somehow her parent's should get a say in whether she does so or not - and that isn't unconstitutional and doesn't violate her right to privacy.

BUT

The father of the potential child , who is contributing half of the dna, gets no say...

Yeah, that makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Because she may have been physically capable of sex, physically able to conceive (and 9 year olds can conceive even through non concensual sex), but isn't physically or mentally able to give birth and raise the resultant child. Or are you trying to tell me that an 11 year old (and younger) is capable of giving birth and raising the resultant child?

When the sperm donor, the person who contributed half of the DNA, can carry the embryo to term, when he can give birth himself (heck, I'll even give him a C-section pass), then and only then he can have a say.

[Guest Anonymous]

In other words they will be the fundie equivalent of the has-been rock bands who once played arenas, but now are happy to get gigs at casinos and state fair grandstands.

Or the cover bands of said has-beens.

[Angri-la]

Furry little sluts! I'm sure your holy head-covering kitty will raise many kitten-arrows for Ceiling Cat.

Nope, she is EVER VIRGIN. We are hoping for the kitteh savior....Let me know if you should see a kitty shaped star in the heavens, as She will be Born. Your prayers are welcome, but you do have to meow them.

[samithemage]

MsS, the important issue for you seems to be DNA, what about identical twins (male or female). I mean, the DNA is the same, technically, a woman would be aborting the same DNA as her twin sister, or the twin brother of her sperm donor. Technically, if DNA is the be all and end all, couldn't identical twin sibling demand mediation?

[pomology]

I think there should be a one week period for the mediation. Since this my own fucking hypothetical argument about a process that doesn't exist I can assume that there is access to mediators during that period. You, of course, are free to assume there are not.

And yes, obviously, I can not come up with a complete policy and procedures for implementation off the top of my head on one thread in the freaking internet. Similar to the whole 'renounce child support' idea -- actual real life policies involve much more than a few non-professionals spouting their thoughts. That does not mean that individuals do not have ideas or beliefs that might be transformed into actuality at some point, or that they shouldn't have an opinion on the topic. There are MANY structures in place that change over time and have modifications - because someone doesn't have every detail ironed out, or the means to accomplish the ideas doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. For example - domestic violence laws, domestic violence shelters and the counseling and restraining orders and everything else involved- none of that existed once upon a time in the fairly recent past-- yet now they do- not flawlessly, not without some conflicts, or difficulty with funding, but they exist.

Ooh! Are we making up fantasy words now?

Because in my fantasy world no woman would ever get an abortion because no woman would every get pregnant if she didn't want to, there would never be any risks to either the mother or the fetus' health. Or any birth defects of any kind. And there would be rape or child abuse or any other sort of violence. Also, candy would grow on trees.

[pomology]

Righhhht....

So a young woman is old enough to have sex. Old enough to become pregnant. Can decide to have the baby and raise it, but somehow her parent's should get a say in whether she does so or not - and that isn't unconstitutional and doesn't violate her right to privacy.

BUT

The father of the potential child , who is contributing half of the dna, gets no say...

Yeah, that makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Uh, women don't get a say because they are contributing half of their DNA or even because they are contributing their egg cells. The woman gets a say because she is contributing her uterus and her bodily/metabolic functions. When a guy can do that, he'll get a say, too. And if he's carrying it in his uterus, then it would be entirely his choice whether to abort. But since that's not going to happen anytime soon...

[kayray]

Uh, women don't get a say because they are contributing half of their DNA or even because they are contributing their egg cells. The woman gets a say because she is contributing her uterus and her bodily/metabolic functions. When a guy can do that, he'll get a say, too. And if he's carrying it in his uterus, then it would be entirely his choice whether to abort. But since that's not going to happen anytime soon...

MrsS likes to gloss over that whole issue of the mother having to carry a pregnancy for nine months AND give birth, and likely take great precautions to keep the fetus healthy if there is a forced...er, mediated...pregnancy. Never mind that pregnancy and childbirth can create both temporary and permanent complications (yay for anal incontinence after a fourth degree tear! Or, you know, the fact women can and do still die due to pregnancy or childbirth complications. Her life does not matter anyway!)

In her fantasy world, the baby is beamed out of the tummy immediately after the "mediation", happy, healthy and ready to go to the eager father's waiting arms!

[Shirley MacLaine]

Also, candy would grow on trees.

There's a lake of stew

And of whiskey too

You can paddle all around it in a big canoe

in the big rock candy mountain...

[Witsec1]

There's a lake of stew

And of whiskey too

You can paddle all around it in a big canoe

in the big rock candy mountain...

Oh, the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees...

[Mama Mia]

I see, so by some unseen feminist consensus it is okay to have conflicting moral views regarding parental notification or consent .. BUT ..not okay to have conflicting moral views regarding the father's right to have input.

Maybe you all could make a handy list for what is approved for dissenting views.

[goldennotebook]

No one here has said that a potential father can't voice his opinion. What we find so heinous is the idea of the government forcing that input, delaying the abortion procedure which becomes riskier and more expensive. Your proposal also insinuates that a father's opinion is at the level of the mother whose body and health is being compromised to carry this fetus to term - it simply isn't.