Gilead Is Real: The War On Abortion And Women's Rights 2

[kpmom]

13 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

I just finished watching the series "The First Lady" on Showtime. There was a good scene where Betty Ford goes to the doctor because she injured her shoulder. He prescribes pain meds and Valium, telling her it is fine to take them with alcohol. Then he offers to call Jerry to discuss the meds. She was a grown woman with four kids, but he felt it necessary to call her husband to discuss her body and condition. It made me sick, but I know it was how things were.

And that was in the mid 1970’s, not really all that long ago. 
 

Speaking of Betty Ford, when she was First Lady she said she was for a woman’s right to choose. Can you imagine a Republican spouse saying that today?

it was somewhat controversial at the time, but nothing like what it would be today.  

[libgirl2]

11 minutes ago, dramallama said:

I'm not begrudging anyone with the means the decision to leave.  But it's naive to think that we can all just show up on the borders of some more enlightened state without meeting their immigration requirements and they'll do anything other than send us all back.  Until it gets to the point where other countries start accepting American refugees, most of us are stuck.

An ex-classmate of mine and her wife are seriously considering it but  yes, it isn't that easy. 

9 minutes ago, kpmom said:

And that was in the mid 1970’s, not really all that long ago. 
 

Speaking of Betty Ford, when she was First Lady she said she was for a woman’s right to choose. Can you imagine a Republican spouse saying that today?

it was somewhat controversial at the time, but nothing like what it would be today.  

Wasn't Barbara Bush pro-choice? 

[meep]

23 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

My husband is a claims manager. He said that contraception is too lucrative $$ for them to slash it or eliminate it. 

I genuinely hope!

[meep]

33 minutes ago, dramallama said:

I'm not begrudging anyone with the means the decision to leave.  But it's naive to think that we can all just show up on the borders of some more enlightened state without meeting their immigration requirements and they'll do anything other than send us all back.  Until it gets to the point where other countries start accepting American refugees, most of us are stuck.

Not saying this is what everyone should do, just speaking my personal piece. I hope liberal states can make it easier for people to move here if they want to also.

[Destiny]

On 6/26/2022 at 9:28 AM, Destiny said:

Well, this statement tells me all I need to know about you on several levels. 

This thread is interesting: 

 

I know we all want to help, but there’s some solid points about working within a system for everyone’s protection. 

Quoting myself from earlier -- this is something everyone here needs to consider for themselves, especially since the TX style laws allow someone to sue even out of state.

[dramallama]

30 minutes ago, meep said:

Not saying this is what everyone should do, just speaking my personal piece. I hope liberal states can make it easier for people to move here if they want to also.

Understood.  A big barrier for moving to blue states is the cost of living.  I live in a state with a bottom-10 cost of living in the nation (because no one wants to move here, duh) and any blue state I could move to would mean a large and difficult spike in COL that would make surviving more difficult.  The one exception I've looked into re: COL is New Mexico, but they're (like the rest of the west) running out of water and dealing with unprecedented wildfires. 

The dream for me would be the PNW but I know the COL up there is beyond my reach.

Edited June 27, 2022 by dramallama

[Dandruff]

3 hours ago, 47of74 said:

I just learned something interesting from a FB friend about Viagra when I mentioned boner meds should be banned on the grounds if a woman's pregnancy is God's will so is a man having a limp dick.  She agreed it shouldn't be allowed for that use but she takes it to help her with a chronic lung condition.  One of the main reasons it was invented in the first place to help with blood pressure.  Of course it should be allowed for high blood pressure and help with diseases like COPD.  I just object to it being allowed for sexual purposes by the same people that are tripping over themselves to ban abortion pills even though the Fed advised otherwise.

Perhaps men seeking Viagra should first have to prove that they have a non-limp condition that Viagra is helpful for?

[47of74]

FedEx driver decided to be an asshole over a sign in a yard.

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A doorbell camera in Middletown captured a FedEx delivery driver writing something on a box. Then, a UPS driver pulls out a marker of his own and writes his own message later that same day.

It was all centered around a sign in the family’s front yard, that said ‘keep abortion safe and legal.’

Recently, their doorbell camera captured a FedEx driver writing on a box, while walking up their sidewalk to make a delivery.

The message reads ‘It shouldn’t be but don’t worry it will be, just not in Kentucky. Because it is murder of a life. Good day.’ The family believes that the message was in response to their yard sign.

A UPS driver happened by later in the day and crossed the message out to put his own message on there about how the residents should continue to exercise their 1A rights.

[Xan]

I'm heartened by the statements about the drug companies not wanting to give up their birth control money.  That's good.  I also saw that Olivia Rodrigo and Lily Allen sang "Fuck You" at Glastonbury and dedicated it to the right wing of the Supreme Court.  The audience participation made me smile.

Spoiler

 

 

[libgirl2]

11 minutes ago, 47of74 said:

FedEx driver decided to be an asshole over a sign in a yard.

A UPS driver happened by later in the day and crossed the message out to put his own message on there about how the residents should continue to exercise their 1A rights.

FedEx driver needs to be fired. 

[NotQuiteMotY]

18 hours ago, dramallama said:

Welp I've already read a story today of a woman who went to the ER with an ectopic pregnancy in a trigger ban state who was left for hours to let it rupture because the doctor was consulting with a lawyer to make sure he was safe if he took action.

A women on Reddit is reporting that she was denied medication to complete her miscarriage.

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, NotQuiteMotY said:

A women on Reddit is reporting that she was denied medication to complete her miscarriage.

Just wait for the lawsuits. 

[dramallama]

The benefit of this now happening in 2022 instead of 1972 is everyone has a phone camera and a social media platform, or knows someone with a platform, and stories can go viral and reach a lot of people that would have just been swept under the rug and kept quiet in the before-Roe times.  There will be no hiding from the consequences of this.

 

Act subdued and upstanding and law-abiding until you're on the jury and in deliberations; then refuse to convict. You can at least hang the jury if you can't nullify it, which would cause a mistrial and they would need to redo the whole thing.

Don't lie during voir dire, but create the perception that you are unbiased and respectful of the rule of law.

Men doing this will help the most as I'm sure prosecutors are going to want to avoid women on abortion case juries.

This was used by Northern juries in slavery times during trials for those accused of helping transport former slaves.

 

Edited June 27, 2022 by dramallama

[Zebedee]

I do not understand how pharmacists are allowed to refuse to do their jobs because of "sincerely held beliefs". If they wanted to be in charge of prescribing, they should have become doctors (and would suck at that too). I want my pharmacist to give me proper advice and spot any medication snafus, and I DGAF about their personal beliefs in a professional setting. I don't know whether this is the case in the UK or EU, though  I have never heard of it happening. But, if you refuse to do the job, get a different one. Or be sacked, I don't care.

My biology teachers at my convent school were nuns, and they taught us all about contraception and abortion. Even in RE lessons, they didn't try and push the "official" Catholic viewpoint. (I have no love for the Catholic church, but the nuns in my order were pretty rebellious. Most of them were one of 10+ kids in poor Irish families, and the nuns were pretty old by the time i was at school. They grew up with violent abusive fathers and families, plenty with diasbled or dead female relatives from childbirth complications. They would not come out and tell anyone they were pro choice or pro birth control, but they certainly wanted us all to know about this stuff - and they were old enough, and wise enough, to know that abstinence only education is a waste of time. I may or may not have asked them why, if it could happen to Mary, we would be safe by remaining abstinent. Sorry, Sister!)

[libgirl2]

3 minutes ago, Zebedee said:

I do not understand how pharmacists are allowed to refuse to do their jobs because of "sincerely held beliefs". If they wanted to be in charge of prescribing, they should have become doctors (and would suck at that too). I want my pharmacist to give me proper advice and spot any medication snafus, and I DGAF about their personal beliefs in a professional setting. I don't know whether this is the case in the UK or EU, though  I have never heard of it happening. But, if you refuse to do the job, get a different one. Or be sacked, I don't care.

 

It is kind of like taking a job as an exterminator and then saying you don't want to kill pests. 

[Zebedee]

1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

It is kind of like taking a job as an exterminator and then saying you don't want to kill pests. 

Exactly. Maybe I should do that, I could get paid, while I played with the little rats and mice. My dream job!

[WiseGirl]

 

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, WiseGirl said:

 

Pro-conception to birth, after that you're fair game. 

[WiseGirl]

 

[47of74]

2 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

FedEx driver needs to be fired. 

Yeah if a delivery driver wrote anything on a package for me that wasn't business related I'd have it up on social media PDQ. 

[Ozlsn]

7 hours ago, 47of74 said:

One of the main reasons it was invented in the first place to help with blood pressure.  

Yeah my child was on it (under the blood pressure trade name) in NICU. It's pretty common in that setting.

2 hours ago, Zebedee said:

I do not understand how pharmacists are allowed to refuse to do their jobs because of "sincerely held beliefs". If they wanted to be in charge of prescribing, they should have become doctors (and would suck at that too). I want my pharmacist to give me proper advice and spot any medication snafus, and I DGAF about their personal beliefs in a professional setting. I don't know whether this is the case in the UK or EU, though  I have never heard of it happening. But, if you refuse to do the job, get a different one. Or be sacked, I don't care.

There have been a few cases here of pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions due to personal belief, complicated by it being in their own small business pharmacy - but also in a regional area without many other options nearby. I'm not sure what the outcome was but I remember residents were pressuring the pharmacy guild to allow a second pharmacy in the area and citing that as a reason. (Pharmacy guild limits the numbers to make businesses viable - or did, not sure if that's ongoing either!)

[Destiny]

If this is accurate, gay marriage is next, not birth control:
 

Friends, if you are in a same sex marriage or partnership, please get yourself to an attorney who can help you do the necessary paperwork to protect yourself and your partner if Obergefell falls. The writing seems on the wall — the current demonization of LGBT people for existing indicates they are whipping up support for this.

Edit to add: that doesn’t mean they aren’t coming for birth control, but i think there’s a strong pharma lobby that might keep that in check for now. 

Edited June 27, 2022 by Destiny

[front hugs > duggs]

5 minutes ago, Destiny said:

If this is accurate, gay marriage is next, not birth control:
 

Friends, if you are in a same sex marriage or partnership, please get yourself to an attorney who can help you do the necessary paperwork to protect yourself and your partner if Obergefell falls. The writing seems on the wall — the current demonization of LGBT people for existing indicates they are whipping up support for this.

Edit to add: that doesn’t mean they aren’t coming for birth control, but i think there’s a strong pharma lobby that might keep that in check for now. 

My married friends have gone through the process of the one wife who didn’t carry their baby formally adopting their child God forbid anything happens to their marriage. Insane to me that they had to spend $$$ to do this, but I obviously understand the need to. 

[CrazyMumma]

Hey,  I'm Australian and I'm wondering how much an abortion costs versus how much it costs to give birth in hospital in America without insurance?

I feel like this abortion law is war on the poor. 

[Destiny]

My married friends have gone through the process of the one wife who didn’t carry their baby formally adopting their child God forbid anything happens to their marriage. Insane to me that they had to spend $$$ to do this, but I obviously understand the need to. 

It’s fucking horrifying. I can’t even with this court. They are the very definition of lawmaking from the bench right now. I honestly think that marriage protections for LGBT people will be gone in the next two years. I’d absolutely adore being wrong about this by the way.

Hey,  I'm Australian and I'm wondering how much an abortion costs versus how much it costs to give birth in hospital in America without insurance?
I feel like this abortion law is war on the poor. 

It would cost me 5000+ to deliver with insurance because of my deductible. I don’t know what it would be without insurance but I’ve heard the figure 10K bandied about for uncomplicated deliveries. Abortion is 150 - much higher depending on gestational date as I understand it. You are absolutely right that it will disproportionally affect the poor. It will bankrupt poor women just to be able to deliver, not to mention the fact that child care is out of reach and all the rest of the costs to raise a child.