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On ‎12‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 6:13 PM, Cleopatra7 said:

Trads are almost always Douay-Rheims Only, so he probably already has one. The bookstore at the Latin Mass parish I used to attend sold a little booklet about why the D-R was the only Bible a “real Catholic” should read.

I had to buy a Bible when I attended Catholic jr high, and the version sold to us students was the D-R.

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On 16/12/2017 at 4:23 AM, clueliss said:

Have any of you caught the current season of Grey's Anatomy?  Asking because the whole issue of female orgasms as pain relief - including I believe two instances of women in labor was involved during the first part of the season through the winter hiatus.  

See also the first episode of Marvel's Runaways, though that was regarding cramps.

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Pretty sure all of this lady-talk would give TradMan the vapors. (Aside from the mere existence of this thread and forum.)

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2 hours ago, scoutsadie said:

Pretty sure all of this lady-talk would give TradMan the vapors. (Aside from the mere existence of this thread and forum.)

Misogynistic/patriarchal men see women as belonging to a completely different species and have no idea how to relate to them in a respectful manner. Whittle and other conservative men claim to treat women “like gentlemen” but that is meaningless. Behaving “like a gentlemen” only meant being publicly respectful to certain kinds of women, those deemed “respectable” (ie middle and upper class white women). Other kinds of women are considered to be “non-respectable” and therefore no worthy of any kind of respect or protection either by the law or custom (eg black women, Native American women, lower class women, immigrant women). This is why King Edward VII could womanize at at will and still be considered a gentlemen, because the bulk of the women he slept with were prostitutes and not entitled to gentlemanly protection. It was only when he was accused of breaking up the marriage of a “respectable woman” in the upper class that people started to wonder if Edward was really a gentleman, but the press suppressed the more salacious details and his reputation remained high in the court of public opinion.

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On 12/2/2017 at 6:34 PM, ViolaSebastian said:

No sane woman is going to sign up for being exclusively supported by her in-laws, and government assistance frowns on providing benefits to two employable adults.

Reading about this guy and oh my, he does have some serious challenges going for him.  I won't speculate on what exactly is going on with him such as Aspergers, etc. but suffice it to say, he's just really difficult and very troubled.

In a lot of ways he reminds me of my ex.   Very troubled past, raised by grandparents who completely supported him financially, convinced he was going to have a great ministry career without doing the actual work, felt that the world owed him a living because Jebus. 

And....he expected us to get married while still in school, because he said his grandparents and my parents would have to support us.  Had no problem with the idea of us living in his grandparents' basement apartment, and oh, they would have boot out the uncle that was living there.  And to that I said "hell, no!"   I was that sane at least.

My parents sure as hell were not going to support me and the idea of being supported by two retirees, one of whom was suffering from cancer was just out of the question.  Fast forward about 4 years and he does find someone who was willing to settle for that deal, limps his way through seminary finally getting the MDiv but never gets a church, eventually washing out of the first job he could get.   Totally dodged a bullet, that one.

Back to Trad Man, he should never get married.  Too messed up, will not hold up his end of things.   It's sad, it really is and perhaps he can't help who he is, but some people should never get married.  He's one of them.

 

 

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"Ladies, if you are on or at at-one [sic] time took the Pill, don't complain when you get diagnosed with breast cancer. Not doing your homework not only gives you bad grades, but can ruin your life."

https://catholiclookforwife.blogspot.com/2017/11/anti-catholic-anti-christian-anti-trump.html?m=1

 

Fuck you, dude. That's what I have to say about that.

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On 12/17/2017 at 4:02 PM, Howl said:Hah!  Guess you were not along for the ride during the Alice's Baby blog (preg obsessed Brit mum) era.  That woman could blog effluvia and "parsnips" like you wouldn't believe. 
 

What a Fan-Fking-Tastic holiday present! Thanks @NachosFlandersStyle.I can't stop repeating her story of sweet fellowship and a BJ for papa, cause you must give to get:GPn0zNK:... oh yeah, and of labor...she birthed a baby, but don't worry, papa still had time for some muff divin before the baby came sliding out. hahahaha!!!

 

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"P.S. My favorite names happen to be: Jillian, Katherine, Natalie, Sarah, Bridget, (mid. Mary). There are probably others, though."

So relieved my name isn't Jillian, Katherine, Natalie, Sarah, Bridget, or Mary. Phew, dodged a bullet. 

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2 hours ago, clarinetpower said:

"P.S. My favorite names happen to be: Jillian, Katherine, Natalie, Sarah, Bridget, (mid. Mary). There are probably others, though."

So relieved my name isn't Jillian, Katherine, Natalie, Sarah, Bridget, or Mary. Phew, dodged a bullet. 

Even though I know he would not be interested in me, my name is on that list and I do not like that fact!

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On 12/18/2017 at 5:29 PM, scoutsadie said:

"Ladies, if you are on or at at-one [sic] time took the Pill, don't complain when you get diagnosed with breast cancer. Not doing your homework not only gives you bad grades, but can ruin your life."

https://catholiclookforwife.blogspot.com/2017/11/anti-catholic-anti-christian-anti-trump.html?m=1

How Christlike of him. :my_confused:

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4 hours ago, clarinetpower said:

"P.S. My favorite names happen to be: Jillian, Katherine, Natalie, Sarah, Bridget, (mid. Mary). There are probably others, though."

So relieved my name isn't Jillian, Katherine, Natalie, Sarah, Bridget, or Mary. Phew, dodged a bullet. 

My favorite part of that quote is the "probably."  What a concession. 

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On 19.12.2017 at 12:29 AM, scoutsadie said:

"Ladies, if you are on or at at-one [sic] time took the Pill, don't complain when you get diagnosed with breast cancer. Not doing your homework not only gives you bad grades, but can ruin your life."

https://catholiclookforwife.blogspot.com/2017/11/anti-catholic-anti-christian-anti-trump.html?m=1

 

Fuck you, dude. That's what I have to say about that.

Ugh he's managed a rare quintuple dog dare grade jerkdom about his mother. 1. I doubt he asked for her permission before blogging about her cancer, 2. her memory problems, 3. her sexual history. 4. What a way to support your  ailing mom to state it was her own fault she got sick and 5. that she's not worthy of being buried according to her faith. 

Isn't there some sort of commandment about honoring your parents that's being broken here?

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As expected, our man Whittle gives his two cents on the passing of Bernard Law:

https://catholiclookforwife.blogspot.com/2017/12/cardinal-law-dead-at-age-86.html?m=1

In other words, it’s unfortunate that people got raped and molested because of Law’s actions, but he was down on “the gays” and liked the Latin Mass so it doesn’t matter. /barf

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Oh, well.  I do agree with him on this: 

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There was absolutely no excuse for failure of Archdiocesan officials under Cardinal Law's episcopate to report known crimes to the police. 

Why does he keep saying MA or NE is "ground-zero" for Catholicism?  Does he not know what that means?  NE probably still has the highest population of Catholics in the US.

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 New England (with the exception of some cells in New Hampshire and Southwestern Connecticut) is ground-zero for Catholicism, and increasingly pagan and anti-American. During Cardinal Law's tenure, and during the year I was born, Massachusetts was a majority Catholic state at 52%. Today it's more like 35% and shrinking, 

I thought MA, at least, was more like 40% identifying as Catholic, even though not the right kind of Catholic for Whittle.

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On 12/14/2017 at 12:28 PM, PennySycamore said:

@Granwych, IIRC, Ina May also says in Spiritual Midwifery that loving feelings helped the baby get into the uterus and that those same loving feeling between the pregnant woman and her man would help the baby get out.

Oh Ina May, lol. So much knowledge but then on the other hand there's so much to cringe at. I do like many things about her but then stuff like that makes me all twitchy. 

On 12/15/2017 at 4:13 AM, ViolaSebastian said:

There is a couple we discuss here, named Helena and Currowog, respectively, who caused a big stir when she used oral sex and digestion of semen to bring on the birth of the second baby of twins. How one could even focus on that after giving birth and being in labor with a second birth is beyond me. 

I have a midwife friend who did a birth where the husband decided labor was too slow, so he started stripping to go sit in the tub NAKED with his wife so they could cuddle and "hurry it up." True story. 

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On 12/20/2017 at 10:04 AM, Cleopatra7 said:

As expected, our man Whittle gives his two cents on the passing of Bernard Law:

https://catholiclookforwife.blogspot.com/2017/12/cardinal-law-dead-at-age-86.html?m=1

In other words, it’s unfortunate that people got raped and molested because of Law’s actions, but he was down on “the gays” and liked the Latin Mass so it doesn’t matter. /barf

This was such a weird post.  He's so torn between the fact that Law was a real old timey gay hatin' Catholic (the best kind) but also let "the perverts" loose on the populace (bad kind of Catholics) that his writing just sort of meanders pointlessly.  

Also, I'm sad that  Latin-Mass-Dating.com is no longer active.  It would've been a treat to read the profile posted by young Mr. Whittle.  

 

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On 12/20/2017 at 1:36 PM, Palimpsest said:

Oh, well.  I do agree with him on this: 

Why does he keep saying MA or NE is "ground-zero" for Catholicism?  Does he not know what that means?  NE probably still has the highest population of Catholics in the US.

I thought MA, at least, was more like 40% identifying as Catholic, even though not the right kind of Catholic for Whittle.

Whittle’s writing style leaves much to be desired, but I think what he’s trying to convey is two things: 1. New England used to be the Mecca for Catholicism in the US before Vatican II and the “gay priests” who caused the abuse crisis ruined everything and made it a secular hellhole 2. Said secular hellholeness will be the fate of the rest of the country unless they becoming Trump loving Latin Mass Catholics, and New England is the canary in the coal mine. 

Item 1 is simply false on a number of levels. Historically, variations on Puritanism have been far more influential in shaping New England culture than Catholicism, even after the influx of Irish and Italian immigrants in the nineteenth and twentieth century. This was particularly true once you left the greater Boston area. In fact, the kind of Catholicism on display at outlets like First Things, the American Conservative, and Crisis Magazine is basically Catholicism with bells, smells, and Mary. This may seem contradictory, but all religions that desire mainstream respectability in the US end up resembling Protestantism to varying degrees. It’s odd that an Uber patriot like Whittle doesn’t consider that Catholics becoming Protestants could be interpreted as a sign of the assimilation in which he claims to believe.

Also note that people aren’t leaving the Catholic Church because they’re upset about the perceived “lack of orthodoxy” or miss the Latin Mass:

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/04/27/faith-in-flux3/#reasons-for-leaving-catholicism

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The way he laments about people converting to Islam says it all. He's nothing but a standard alt-right loser in slightly unusual Trad. Catholic wrapper. 

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In his most recent post, Chris is railing against Catholic mandatory "porno" classes.  At least, I think he is.  I have a lot of trouble reading Traditional Catholic-ese.

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The only thing for sure is that a valid TLM wedding without heretical Pre-Cana porno classes within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts requires recusancy, sad to say.

Oh, he's also upset about the prospect of heathenous divorcees and gays being married in the church.  

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heretical Pre-Cana porno classes 

Can any of you provide details? Inquiring minds want to know!  I suspect it's just your standard pre-marriage counseling with books recommended for those who aren't up to speed on Tab A goes in Slot B. 

And if a Jillian marries him, comes to realize the meaning of hell on earth and files for divorce...

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I wrongfully assumed that "recusancy" was a word he made up, but I found this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recusancy

I still don't know enough of what he's talking about to figure out if he is using the word correctly.

He would be horrified to learn that a local Catholic parish has an LGBT ministry.  As in, a group for LGBT people who are also Catholic, not a ministry to get people to stop being gay.  And they are volunteering at a local theatre company that is putting on a production of Bent.  Grab those smelling salts, Chris!

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@GeoBQn, there’s a parish like that (with Franciscan clergy on staff) in Hartford.

At a Cana Conference I attended, the sexual component consisted of a priest who said “You can’t just go deciding when you’re going to have babies” (wanna bet?) and a couple, married three years and expecting their second baby, lecturing on the efficacy of NFP.

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2 hours ago, Howl said:

Can any of you provide details? Inquiring minds want to know!  I suspect it's just your standard pre-marriage counseling with books recommended for those who aren't up to speed on Tab A goes in Slot B. 

And if a Jillian marries him, comes to realize the meaning of hell on earth and files for divorce...

 Not the format at the pre-Cana class I went to! Darn, I got cheated.

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3 hours ago, acheronbeach said:

In his most recent post, Chris is railing against Catholic mandatory "porno" classes.  At least, I think he is.  I have a lot of trouble reading Traditional Catholic-ese.

Oh, he's also upset about the prospect of heathenous divorcees and gays being married in the church.  

My guess is that Whittle is upset about the possibility of John Paul II’s Theology of the Body being used during pre-Cana classes, since traditionalists tend to feel like it is “pornographic” and places too much emphasis on the unitive aspects of marriage (ie sex as a way for spouses to bond) than on procreation. In particular, there is an author named Christopher West who tries to translated Theology of the Body into layman’s terms whom a lot of traditionalists feel is vulgar and/or pandering to people’s basest desires:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/christopher_wests_ideas_on_sexuality_ignore_tremendous_dangers_alice_von_hildebrand_says

https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/marriage-and-family/sexuality/the-need-to-read-carefully-a-response-to-alice-von-hildebrands-critique-of-christopher-west.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_West

If West’s materials are being used for pre-Cana, Whittle would most likely consider them “pornographic.” However, Whittle seems to be a less than reliable narrator, and if these pre-Cana classes were really that graphic, I think a lot more people would be into the idea of having a church wedding.

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