Dillards 32: To VBAC or not to VBAC

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3 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

She must have tried at home, right? No way she goes that long in the hospital.

It's not like the hospital can force a c-section though, so she could have labored that long there if she wanted.

I think there's just too much unknown right now and I really hope there's a People article soon with more details. I hope she was in the hospital for most of her labor but it's Jill so I'm not too optimistic about that.

Is there any idea of when we might see a TLC special on this? That should be interesting (and informative) too.

[maple802]

1 hour ago, jozina said:

-The bigger thing rather than rupture is that with each c-section your risk of the placenta covering the c-section scar increases, as does the risk of it growing through into the uterus proper or other organs.  That's nasty, potentially deadly stuff which usually results in a hysterectomy.

Placenta Accreta is a real risk from multiple c-sections, and one that I don't think is discussed as much as it should be. I have a friend who is lucky to have survived hers. 6 kids, all delivered by c-section. Had Accreta on round 6. A team of highly skilled doctors and nurses delivered her at a well-regarded hospital in the northeast. Hysterectomy, replacement of well over half her blood volume--and two subsequent procedures to correct some nasty things that happened to the rest of her insides. She will be the first to tell you that had she known about this ahead of time, she and her husband would have limited their family size.

My friend lived because she had top notch prenatal care with experts who knew how to manage her situation to give her the best outcome possible. I shudder to think what may happen to Jill if she keeps this up. 

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3 minutes ago, maple802 said:

Placenta Accreta is a real risk from multiple c-sections, and one that I don't think is discussed as much as it should be. I have a friend who is lucky to have survived hers. 6 kids, all delivered by c-section. Had Accreta on round 6. A team of highly skilled doctors and nurses delivered her at a well-regarded hospital in the northeast. Hysterectomy, replacement of well over half her blood volume--and two subsequent procedures to correct some nasty things that happened to the rest of her insides. She will be the first to tell you that had she known about this ahead of time, she and her husband would have limited their family size.

My friend lived because she had top notch prenatal care with experts who knew how to manage her situation to give her the best outcome possible. I shudder to think what may happen to Jill if she keeps this up. 

I've seen a few articles about that recently, mostly in the context of California's hemorrhage cart program in L&D wards. It was really scary stuff.

eta: found the link I read most recently: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/6/29/15830970/women-health-care-maternal-mortality-rate

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

30 minutes ago, candygirl200413 said:

Also I know mom's don't necessarily have to have gestational diabetes to have heavy babies, so is it just a really hearty diet?

I had 2 babies, 1st born at 36 weeks (my water broke, so thy had to induce) he was 8 lbs, a  full 4 weeks early.  Baby #2 was 10 days early and was 9 lbs 2 oz and I did not have gestational diabetes. I had big babies, my sister had big babies my SIL had a big baby, my 2 nieces were 8 lbs 8 oz, sister was 2 weeks early, SIL 10 days late. but they were some chunky monkeys. 

[klabourdeth]

In relation to the Dillard's and their large babies there has been studies looking at historical trends about how mothers are having larger children because of evolution in relation to the increases of C-sections. Since c-sections has started be more in use it does not weed out the lines of those with poor birth canals because the mother & child aren't dying in labor as much these days.

It's a Huffington post article talking about the trend. I would look for a more legit source but I don't have the mind power to do so at the moment.

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_584b13d3e4b0bd9c3dfcd215/amp

[Bethella]

30 minutes ago, mango_fandango said:

I have no idea what Rh factor I am. It appears to be a different system to ABO. I do know that my mum is O- and Dad is O+. My brother and I are both O-.

Actually you do know- you, your brother and your mom are all O- which is Rh negative. Your dad is O+ which is Rh positive.

[ClaraOswin]

What is that thing on the baby's arm that looks like a splint? 

[Shadoewolf]

My oldest and youngest were both 6lbs 13 oz and 21 inches long. My 35 week preemie was 7lbs 7oz and 19 inches long. (we were working with a fertility specialist so no question of the due date being wrong). I didn't have GD and they said she could've been 10+ lbs if she hadn't been early. As it was we were lucky she didn't have shoulder dystocia because hers were so wide. She's now almost 13, 5'5 and 117lbs, she's just a solid kid. My weight was consistent all 3 pregnancies, between 30-38 lbs gained. Some people just have big babies.

@ClaraOswin it is a splint of sorts. Its  usually used to protect the IV line from the baby pulling at it. 

[mango_fandango]

5 minutes ago, Bethella said:

Actually you do know- you, your brother and your mom are all O- which is Rh negative. Your dad is O+ which is Rh positive.

Thought it might be that! Just wasn't sure. I only know my type because obviously Dad is positive and mum negative so there could have been issues, but ultimately I'm the same type as mum so not a problem.

[Palindrome]

I'm late to the party here...but holy moly that baby is enormous! 

[Kailash]

14 minutes ago, ClaraOswin said:

What is that thing on the baby's arm that looks like a splint? 

It might be something they put on so he can't bend his arm and disturb the IV. 

[Jug Band Baby]

On 7/6/2017 at 1:44 PM, Elvis Presby said:

I just don't understand why they don't want pain relief when having a baby.  I would have never had any of my children at home because, gross.  Who is going to clean that up?  My first and 3rd were fast and easy deliveries (July babies), but my 2nd and 4th were awful hellish ordeals.  You don't know that things will go wrong until they go wrong.  If things go wrong you really don't have the extra hour or so for the ambulance transport to spare in some cases.  And drugs.  Really, if one of these sisters had some good pain relief I think we would see an uptick in hospital births in NWA.

I don't understand why anybody would want to put narcotics into their babies during birth.  I had my babies at home.  The midwife cleaned up.  It wasn't as messy as you think.  Even in an emergency in a hospital, you don't go into a c-section on 2 seconds notice.  My midwife has all the equipment of a small ER, and training to use it.  The local hospital to where I gave birth has a shitty track record.  

So it's not always about "Eve's curse."  Sometimes it's about keeping narcotics out of babies.  We're not supposed to eat hotdogs or raw honey when pregnant, but it instantly becomes okay to have narcotics?  You may want them, but a lot of others don't, and that's FINE.

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

2 minutes ago, Jug Band Baby said:

I don't understand why anybody would want to put narcotics into their babies during birth.  

Can we not, with the mommy shaming? some women want drugs some don't, lets leave it at that. 

[Million Children For Jesus]

8 hours ago, Darwinesque said:

I would have liked more kids, but poor pregnancies meant we stopped at 2. I completely adore what I have.

I wanted a large family, too. I had 4 c-sections and then couldn't get pregnant again. My doctor was completely okay with trying for a 5th. In hindsight, I don't know what I was thinking. This thread made it perfectly clear just how lucky I was to NOT get pregnant. It would have been such an unnecessary risk. I think when a woman wants a baby, she gets tunnel vision focusing on the possibility and the success stories. (Ethel Kennedy.)  I know I did. As of now, I'm very satisfied with my family size. It really worked out for the best in so many ways, and I wouldn't change a thing. It is difficult to accept at first, but I hope Jill comes to terms with limiting her family size and has the same level of contentment that you and I both seem to have reached.

3 hours ago, SassyPants said:

One of the symptoms of HA is hyperbilirubinemia (yellowing of the skin/jaundice).

Thank you for this. I have the RH factor. My third and fourth had jaundice, and no one ever bothered to mention that it may have been related to the RH factor. It would seem kind of important to mention, especially if the effects of RH worsen with each subsequent pregnancy, and as far as my doctor knew, I was still planning on future pregnancies. 

[Jessalyn]

If Jill make more giant babies like these, I'm scared to think of what she will go through if she has twins. I am a twin and i was 6lb6oz and my brother was 7lbs8oz and my mother said she was as big as a bus and her stomach muscles never recovered. We weren't even full term!

Jill is massive with one baby imagine two!   

[jakesykora]

3 hours ago, SassyPants said:

Damn- who is going to pay for all of this? At least the last time they had the WM insurance. I wonder if the Dillards have that Christian insurance?

Nearly every mission organization I know of part of the $ support they raise covers insurance that they are able to use when they're back in the US - and most organizations actually have insurance that they can use out of the country. For a long time Blue Cross seemed to be a fave, but I"m not sure if that's still the most common.

Although Jill and Derek's organization is small and doesn't seem to do some of the other things that's true of most mission organizations, still, I expect they have at least some degree of insurance as a result.

Also, outside of regular physical stuff done by whatever providers they elect to see, many mission organizations require a pre-field physical and mental assessment done prior to them leaving for the field (in most cases by a very limited list of providers so the organization knows its being done by someone who understands the needs/issues/diseases/etc. raised from/exposed to/etc. working overseas). And then most require them done each time someone's home for furlough (usually happens every 2-4 years on the field) and then prior to ending their service.

While I highly doubt the latter happens with the Dillard family, like I said, I do expect they have some level of insurance that's part of the $ support they raise.

[Toothfairy]

11 hours ago, jerkit said:

Prediction: Jill will continue having repeat c-sections until all the doctors in AR refuse to perform them for her.

How did Michelle find a doctor?

[SorenaJ]

For fucks sake Jill, what happened to getting your arse to a hospital? Oh well, I am glad mother and baby are (relatively) well. Not glad to be sharing a birthday with a Duggar lol. 

 

And Sam: As soon as you learn to walk, you run. Run far, far away. 

[SamiKatz]

I'm thinking she was at the hospital for at least part of the labour, or news of her having to be rushed to the hospital would have come out by now.  

[Oudler]

JillyMuffin must be in a bad mental health.
Wounds can heal, but this was probably again very traumatic for her. Just saw one of the new counting on episodes where she envies Jessa who just had a quick, "perfect" homebirth and she was continually saying that she hopes for the same kind of smooth birth.
But let's face it: Damn, they make big babies!

I bet Jessa is already pregnant again... because she's as fertile as her mom was... Jill will have to wait before getting pregnant again because of the c-section and (I really hope they are that smart) because of Zika when they return to SCA... Jill will be very jealous...

But I wonder how they manage not to get pregnant when she needs to be joyfully available and there is no birth control... I am really curious about that...

[meee]

8 hours ago, Greendoor said:

I only hope they leave it Jesus if it within the realm of possiblity that they would force a child to be born early so she can try for vaginal birth.  I think at 37 weeks it's just your lungs that arent' fully developed.  God forbid that she would prioritize her vagina over a child. 

Of course.  I didn't at all mean to imply she should go for a future vaginal birth only for its own sake.  I'm no medical professional or anything, I was just under the impression that sometimes GD babies are induced a bit early because of fear of them getting too big and/or developing complications, and if that theoretical baby needs to come out early anyway then perhaps it would not be so risky for an attempted VBAC of a significantly smaller baby than she's had thus far.  That's all I meant.

[Fundie Bunny]

 

6 hours ago, PennySycamore said:

@Jaedzia,  Rh jaundice would be diagnosed by observing early onset jaundice in the newborn of an Rh negative mother.   (@SassyPants can hopefully fill us in a bit more on this.)  My mother was O negative and my dad was O positive and I was the color of a brown paper bag at birth.  I was rushed to Greenville General and received 3 complete blood exchanges over the next several weeks.

Oh shit that's what happened to me. I didn't know it was that serious, or that it had anything to do with my blood type. Now i get why i have no siblings

[Scrabblemaster]

At first I found it strange that the Dillards posted a picture of Baby Sam with his Dad but without his Mum. But then I thought: After 40 hours of labor and a c-section I would not want to take pictures for a couple of days. Even more if the photos were for the whole internet ...

[freejoy]

This is how the episode about this birth in a couple of months will look like:

 

Absolutely the same!

 

 

[SuchABlessing]

I really worry abt Jills mental health at this point. Her whole life she was made to believe her entire worth as a person depends on her having eleventy children. Now what's supposed to happen if she can only have two?

we've already seen her unravel a bit from finding out her dream of being a missionary was a LOT harder and different from what she imagined. 

Im not speculating on her mental health - I know that's a very delicate subject and I'm not trying to armchair diagnose. I would worry for ANYONE in that situation, not just Jill. What a toxic environment to be raised in