John Shrader Pt 6: Asinine Alliterations About African Adventures Aplenty!

[Gimme a Free RV]

They can't use the computer for homeschooling because John's on FB all the time.

[slickcat79]

58 minutes ago, Gimme a Free RV said:

They can't use the computer for homeschooling because John's on FB all the time.

...do they even have a computer? I was just thinking, out of all the random crap that John brought with him, or talked about needing money to buy, were computers ever on the list? I can't help but think that if I were in his position, a couple of toughbooks would be in my top 5 items to bring 

[GeoBQn]

On February 18, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Gimme a Free RV said:

You know, that hatred John spews about evil rhythms and stuff?  Not in the Bible.  He could maybe stretch a couple of verses to make his argument halfway fit, but when it comes to music and worship, the Bible is filled with references to percussive instruments (possibly with a "back beat"...what that is), stringed instruments, clapping, dancing, singing joyfully, choirs (chorus), flute, trumpet, shofar (ram's horn), etc.  The Bible even says that if people stop praising God, then the rocks will do it!  (LOL--rock music! Bada-bing, John!)

I always wonder how fundies explain away verses like the following from after Pharoah's army drowned in the Red Sea.

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Then Miriam the prophet, Aaron’s sister, took a timbrel in her hand, and all the women followed her, with timbrels and dancing.  Miriam sang to them:

Sing to the Lord,
    for he is highly exalted.
Both horse and driver
    he has hurled into the sea.

 

[PennySycamore]

@GeoBQn, there is the basis for a song well-known among Pentecostals and maybe others Christians.  Pentecostal/Charismatics don't generally have a problem with "dancing in the Spirit".  They may not feel the same way about social dancing though. 

OT, a bit, but I went to see a Bob Jones Opera workshop performance of Lucia de Lammermoor  some years ago.  The primarily student cast looked so uncomfortable in the scenes where they were supposed to be dancing.

[gustava]

1 hour ago, PennySycamore said:

@GeoBQn, there is the basis for a song well-known among Pentecostals and maybe others Christians.  Pentecostal/Charismatics don't generally have a problem with "dancing in the Spirit".  They may not feel the same way about social dancing though. 

OT, a bit, but I went to see a Bob Jones Opera workshop performance of Lucia de Lammermoor  some years ago.  The primarily student cast looked so uncomfortable in the scenes where they were supposed to be dancing.

Did they just stand there?

[PennySycamore]

@gustava, they didn't move around very much.  You could tell that dancing was something foreign to them.  It made me kinda sad, but then I love to dance!

One of my old neighbors and her husband were graduates of BJU.  She admitted that she thought that husbands and wives dancing together was fine and that she liked the smell of a freshly lit cigarette!  The hussy!  Last time I saw Becky,  she was wearing pants.

[SledCat]

7 hours ago, GeoBQn said:

I always wonder how fundies explain away verses like the following from after Pharoah's army drowned in the Red Sea.

 

Well, that's just some Old Testament dancing. The New Testament washed that dancing away. At least, that is one possible explanation I would recall from my fundie days. 

[infooverload]

Does anyone wonder why John took the deeply fundamentalist missionary route? The rest of his siblings seem not to have gone the fundie route, so I am curious what was his driving force.

[salex]

4 hours ago, infooverload said:

Does anyone wonder why John took the deeply fundamentalist missionary route? The rest of his siblings seem not to have gone the fundie route, so I am curious what was his driving force.

To outdo Daddy?

[GeoBQn]

Because he is a narcissist who wants to feel special, and he is unable to hold down any other type of job.

[SledCat]

I think it's the "dream" for many in IFB leadership roles to have their children follow in their footsteps. Indeed, if children "rebel" too badly, it can be cause for leadership to be called into question. I have seen a Pastor forced to step down after the actions of his children were deemed improper.

It might be something of a perfect storm. John, who can't seem to function in a "real world" type of job, yet does have some redeeming qualities, such as a charismatic speaking personality, decides it is his best bet to hitch his star to the missionary bandwagon.

Daddy Shrader, Pastor of an IFB church, can point to his "missionary son", doing the work of God in a distant country. He has evidence of fulfilling the Biblical command to raise his children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. That's just speculation.

[Gimme a Free RV]

John strikes me as the kind of person who would have an extremely hard time being a subordinate.  As a self-appointed missionary,  he's his own boss and only has to please those whose dollars he depends on.

[turquoise]

Speaking of homeschooling, were John and Esther homeschooled themselves as children? Or did they attend some sort of formal schooling outside the home?

Homeschooling 9 children in the best of circumstances would be challenging. I can't imagine there is much real education happening.

[formergothardite]

13 hours ago, Gimme a Free RV said:

John strikes me as the kind of person who would have an extremely hard time being a subordinate.  As a self-appointed missionary,  he's his own boss and only has to please those whose dollars he depends on.

This is the impression that I got from reading through the old threads about John. I think he was drawn to being more fundie and drawn to being a pastor and then a missionary because it gave him an excuse to be in control and not have to work under someone else. John has shown time and time again that he can't work under people or really with others. He couldn't even make it working with other missionaries! 

John was failing miserable as a pastor, his family was in poverty and all John could do was complain about how he had to go work in a secular environment. Being a missionary to Zambia solved this problem for him. He got a better quality lifestyle and no one to really tell him what to do. 

[ViolaSebastian]

13 hours ago, Gimme a Free RV said:

John strikes me as the kind of person who would have an extremely hard time being a subordinate.  As a self-appointed missionary,  he's his own boss and only has to please those whose dollars he depends on.

I recall that at one point, he quit his job (I believe it was at a car dealership in Washington state) because they played "ungodly" music. Normally I would *severely* question a guy who had, at that point, seven or eight kids and just up and quit a job over the music in the office, but this is John.  Bottom line, he loves being his own boss because he can get away with doing jack shit all day.

[Gimme a Free RV]

See?  The dealership wouldn't do things his way, so he quit.

I am not a psychologist, nor do I play one on TV.  However, I have done some online reading about the characteristics of a narcissist because I've lived with them.  My dad was one who never worked well under anyone's authority because his ideas were better, he was more righteous, anyone who disagreed with him he failed to get along with, etc.  He has tried ventures where he was the "CEO" or owner of his own businesses.  They never panned out.

John probably thinks (if not aloud, then to himself) that he, being American and white, is in the upper crust of the Zambian population.  He likely feels admired, revered, and chosen to impart knowledge upon those less educated than he in spiritual matters.  He has an actual house, no one telling him what to do, he makes all the decisions, money is sent to him, he gets to decide how it's used, and so on.  Now, here's the part of reality that will stink for him:  He won't be able to get his entire family back to the U.S. to visit grandparents and extended family.  He'll have a heck of a time, IF he ever DOES manage to get his family back to the U.S. (which will probably be to move back permanently), getting visas for everyone.  At least two of his children will have dual citizenship  Heaven help that family if anyone needs the type of medical specialists that Zambia can't offer.  (It's not like they use the medical services that are in place, anyway.)  Also, John still has to file his tax return with the IRS.  Sure, the sending church might be a non-profit but John is living off of U.S. dollars.  Our government has got to hold him accountable for that.  If he neglects to file, they'll be heck-fire to pay later.

What seems like a better life to John now will surely come back to bite him much harder than any snake he's killed.

[formergothardite]

In the old threads there was some debate over if John quite or if he got let go from the car dealership. He wasn't selling cars, he was constantly complaining about the music  and he was trying to convert people who came to look at cars. I'm not sure why anyone would keep him employed. 

[Gimme a Free RV]

I guess "This car won't get you to heaven." wasn't exactly the sales pitch they were looking for.

[tsukinokawa]

21 minutes ago, Gimme a Free RV said:

I guess "This car won't get you to heaven." wasn't exactly the sales pitch they were looking for.

new post count title I presume 

2 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

I recall that at one point, he quit his job (I believe it was at a car dealership in Washington state) because they played "ungodly" music.

I wonder what they were playing there ? britney spears, rammstein, björk, madonna, KISS, Alice cooper, maybe *gasp* gospel song made by wrong kind of christian or maybe a song about planes 

 

[Gimme a Free RV]

I just checked out John's FB page--you'll be surprised to learn that he's posted new stuff, LOL--and now he has two pictures of worship, condemning the first and praising the second.  The first is of contemporary music with drums, guitars, light effects, hands raised, etc. and the second is of people coming to the front of the church, bowing on their knees and praying.  

John Shrader, you ignorant judgmental blowhard!!!!  You do NOT get to decide how people worship God.  You do NOT need to go around judging every. little. thing. that is different from your precious, conceited, legalistic IFB upbringing.  You are limiting how God speaks to people's hearts and how they respond to Him.  You are pretending to understand things that God only sees and knows.

I think a missionary needs to visit YOU and explain Jesus' love and the gospel to YOU.  You've gone too far and are so proud of yourself.  Better watch it, because someone as hard-headed as yourself requires that God uses something painfully profound to be still and listen to Him.

[TShirtsLongSkirts]

50 minutes ago, Gimme a Free RV said:

I guess "This car won't get you to heaven." wasn't exactly the sales pitch they were looking for.

I wonder if the plane did, though.

[formergothardite]

38 minutes ago, tsukinokawa said:

new post count title I presume 

I wonder what they were playing there ? britney spears, rammstein, björk, madonna, KISS, Alice cooper, maybe *gasp* gospel song made by wrong kind of christian or maybe a song about planes 

 

It was Christian music that wasn't hymns. 

[samira_catlover]

8 hours ago, Gimme a Free RV said:

(SNIP) John Shrader, you ignorant judgmental blowhard!!!!  You do NOT get to decide how people worship God.  You do NOT need to go around judging every. little. thing. that is different from your precious, conceited, legalistic IFB upbringing.  You are limiting how God speaks to people's hearts and how they respond to Him.  You are pretending to understand things that God only sees and knows. (SNIP)

From where I come from (as a Born-Again Pagan who hangs out sometimes with scary Unitarian Universalists), we're totally ok with how people choose to approach the Blessed Eternal...it's GOOD that they want to talk to God (whatever flavor), and work things out. Talking is nice.

Heck, if I was God, I'd be extremely happy if people who were previously isolated or angry or upset decided to open communications. "Kids, I love you lots: please phone home, 'cause I MISS you so much!"

[Granwych]

14 hours ago, formergothardite said:

In the old threads there was some debate over if John quite or if he got let go from the car dealership. He wasn't selling cars, he was constantly complaining about the music  and he was trying to convert people who came to look at cars. I'm not sure why anyone would keep him employed. 

There was a Baptist zealot who ran an auto body shop in my area who would charge non-believers more or even refuse to service their vehicles.  He's since gone to his reward, and recently the shop ( now operated by his sons) sustained a fire leaving the place a total loss.

[Gimme a Free RV]

@Aine, your profile pic is adorable.  Elaborate, please.