Joshley Madison: 2 Sex Scandals and Counting

[HerNameIsBuffy]

I definitely do not mean to suggest that one woman is of more value than another as a wife or in any other way. I am the wife who cusses, yells, etc. and is admittedly far from perfect. I do not believe my husband would be more justified in cheating on me. Perhaps my frustration has shown through, in not being able to grasp what more the fundy men could want in a woman than one who is trained and groomed to idolize and worship them vs. how they would respond if they had to deal with a woman who was self directed?

Thanks, I thought there was a fair chance I misread that.

I get what you're saying - she did what she wa supposed to do, what more could he want? Thing is this game isn't set up for women in that culture to win.

Until they learn that femininity and strength are not oxymorons they will always be at the mercy of the men.

[rodgerdodger]

That's like saying all left wingers are gay.

You say that as if it were a bad thing.

I work with LGBTQ youth who have been kicked out of their households for being gay, whose parents have attempted to shoot them for their sexuality. It's never by liberal parents btw.

I'm not saying all right wing folks are violent or evil, it's just that ALL the people talked about on this site are, you guessed it, right wing or products of a conservative environment.

However, if you think right wing social ideas are wacky but agree with their economic policies, then you're a libertarian, not a RW :wink-penguin:

[2manyKidzzz]

Josh is someone the fundy lifestyle just didn't work for. Too many kids of which he is the oldest. Molesting, ugh, his sisters. Preaching holiness and family values while cheating on his wife. What's wrong with cheating on your wife is that it is dishonest, it is a lie, and it hurts the wife and in this case, the four very young childrent who cannot understand at all what is going on. John David did not fall into any of these situations. Something about Josh is the issue. I don't know what it is. I would like to see him away from Anna as, as someone said earlier, he will just do all of this again. That is who he is.

[nastyhobbitses]

It's the top story on my city's paper's website. I live in Melbourne, Australia. Barely anyone cares about the Duggars. It's a big story. Josh and the whole lot of them by extension have become the public face of the Ashley Madison hack. I can't even process how that makes me feel. ALL THE SCHADENFREUDE.

To be clear, porn is fine and hooking up is fine. I'm a 23 year old woman with an education and I do both. Cheating on your wife- morally not so great but it's legal and between consenting adults.

If I had to pick between having a husband who cheated using AM or a husband who molested his sisters as a teenager, I'd pick the cheater EVERY DAMN TIME.

But Josh. The whole lot. The hypocrisy.

As much as I am feeling awful for Anna. Oh the irony is delicious.

Oh, the schadenfreude is delicious indeed. And who'dve thunk, Joshie boy is finally getting that global impact and recognition he always wanted!

I really do think that if Josh were raised in a not-cult household, maybe he would be a normal, slightly douchey guy in his mid 20s who enjoys hooking up and watching some Naughty Nurses from time to time. Nothing abnormal or bad about those things. But he wasn't, and here we are. I find it so ironic that he spent most of his adult life harping on the sanctity of marriage, all the while spending about a thousand dollars that could go to his children's education or perhaps a couples' retreat to work out his issues with his marriage, on finding mistresses (though that's too classy a term for him). Just about as ironic as his mom going on about protecting children from potential sex fiends while standing by and letting him molest her own daughters.

At the very least he's admitted to being a hypocrite. I doubt he's going to follow up his words with making amends.

[gigigigi]

So... like ... I wonder when/if they're going to post another update? Eventually they'll have to give more information.. right?

[Firiel]

I do agree that Josh doing this to Anna is worse than if he were to have done it to a 'regular' woman. I know that sounds bad, but I look at it this way... if I had married a guy and had four kids with him, and then found out he was cheating on me a la Josh, I'd be PISSED. I might also be heartbroken and emotionally devastated, depending on the quality of the relationship at that point. I'd also be scared - what now? Where do I go, what do I do, how do I get past this, how can I protect my children? But ultimately I know I'd be fine. I have the self-worth, confidence and perspective to deal with it. I'd have the support of family and friends and my community. I have money saved, and a university degree, and plenty of work experience.

Anna has none of that. She was brainwashed from birth to be totally subservient to her headship, whether that be her father or her husband. She's been trained to think that a man's sexual sins are a woman's fault. She's not allowed to think independently. Anger or resentment toward her cheating spouse is sinful. She would face shame and scorn from her community were she to leave him. She was purposefully denied the education and life/work experience she would need to make her own way in the world. Her parents and her cult did everything they possibly could to keep her totally dependent on her husband. And Josh knew all of this full well. He knew he was betraying and endangering a woman who was utterly at his mercy.

This is a really valid point.

So, in many ways, this DID happen to me. My ex-husband cheated on me and left me high and dry then spent months seeking casual sex online while pretending to be the perfect, amazing Christian. I was 25, and it really sucked. It was completely devastating. But I didn't have any children because we used birth control. I had a college education and a (low-paying) job. I had family that supported my happiness and wanted me to be treated right. Anna has none of that. And add that she had to hear about her husband's affair(s) at the same time as the rest of the world... I feel really sorry for her right now. No one deserves that.

[N The Prayer Closet]

Whew!! Finally got caught up and my now my ipad is at 4%. I think there will be more coming out--possible child porn, a few women or men coming forward? This isn't over yet.

[clese]

I'm waiting for the completely irrelevant you tube video of josh saying something maybe a happy birthday message ( remember the first after scandal video?) all the time whilst Anna looks up at him unwavering and in love all the while

[theologygeek]

That disgusting pig could have given his wife and children a disease. I hope Anna gets tested. Cheating ended my marriage, and it was a horrible experience. But I picked up the pieces, got strong, and made something of my self. I'm happily single. Anna must be a mess right now. She wasn't raised to be a single parent and doesn't have the education, wits, or stamina to go at it alone. She'll stay with him and be miserable. Poor thing.

[DaysAgo]

Can anyone find the clip from Josh and Anna's wedding where Josh sang to her? The song went something like this, "I will be faithful to you."

I wonder how many illegitimate children Josh fathered during his trysts.

Anna, please get out.

[Jessa's Feet]

It's ok, I'm sure his extra-marital affairs just involved some light hand touching over the clothes, so it's totally fine. The women were probably sleeping most of the time anyway.

You win.

[MakeItSo]

Whew!! Finally got caught up and my now my ipad is at 4%. I think there will be more coming out--possible child porn, a few women or men coming forward? This isn't over yet.

would not be at all surprised if a man came forward. Sometimes those people who are the loudest homophobes are the ones who have had homosexual "thoughts and desires"...I am not saying this is true for Smuggar, just saying that he wouldn't be the first.

Also, the Snarkle Bunny in me wishes that Jon Stewart was still on TV. :shifty:

[Firiel]

Can anyone find the clip from Josh and Anna's wedding where Josh sang to her? The song went something like this, "I will be faithful to you."

I wonder how many illegitimate children Josh fathered during his trysts.

Anna, please get out.

Somebody posted the link earlier. Try searching the thread for "faithful."

[nelliebelle1197]

Nah, I think the World's Most Inept Missionary is the worst of the lot. His eleventy kids are just screwed. The videos he posted even before Zambia showed a man completely enamored of himself. His children are definitely in terrible emotional, educational, and financial straits and I have no doubt there is spiritual abuse in that family. Esther and the kids are just props for him. They have not had stability of any sort in years. The Shraders less John break my heart.

At this point, I'd definitely say that Josh is the worst of the 3 (the 3 being Smuggar, Shrader, and TFDW), but Shrader putting his children in harm's way in Zambia and profiting from his sister's death are pretty effing bad. We can argue about the relative "bad husbandness," but Josh isn't much of an outlier when it comes to the husbands chosen for the poor Keller daughters.

[zadie]

Hey you guys were nice to me! At around two I decided "fuck this" and did the huge cleaning project I had. This was at about 11 pages and when I came back hours later you guys were only on 35! And it only went to 37 while catching up.

Now for my thoughts.

I think it would be hilarious if the insider source for every magazine had been grandma Duggar. Imagine their reactions if that was revaled!

I know it will suck for the kids if boobchelle crack down after this, but it might be better in the end. If they go crazy and crack down hard the kids might get pissed and that can start pushing them to find a new life path.

Idk why people think Tlc has to edit the special. It's about Jill and Jessa and what happened to them. And with the inclusion of those two really good abuse organizations I doubt they would have participated if it was a Duggar hump fest. Tlc wouldn't need to edit out them talking about josh. It wouldn't surprise anyone to hear his sisters defending him. It old to have Anyang to do with the cheating scandal.

[SportsgalAnnie]

it's all anyone on set could talk about today.

[VaSportsMom]

I really hope that Anna has someone telling her that this behavior is not okay and she doesn't have to accept it but when/were would she have had the opportunity to build that type of friendship? My closest friends are from school, work, parents of my sons' classmates & teammates, the BFF that I met at a club and the forever sister that I kept when she divorced my lying, cheating brother. Anna has been shielded from all that. Her father needs his ass kicked for letting these manchildren trap his daughters & grandchildren. The inmates he likes to minister to have more freedom than his girls.

[nelliebelle1197]

Fox News logic at its finest.

That's like saying all left wingers are gay.

[HuggleMonster]

I do agree that Josh doing this to Anna is worse than if he were to have done it to a 'regular' woman. I know that sounds bad, but I look at it this way... if I had married a guy and had four kids with him, and then found out he was cheating on me a la Josh, I'd be PISSED. I might also be heartbroken and emotionally devastated, depending on the quality of the relationship at that point. I'd also be scared - what now? Where do I go, what do I do, how do I get past this, how can I protect my children? But ultimately I know I'd be fine. I have the self-worth, confidence and perspective to deal with it. I'd have the support of family and friends and my community. I have money saved, and a university degree, and plenty of work experience.

Anna has none of that. She was brainwashed from birth to be totally subservient to her headship, whether that be her father or her husband. She's been trained to think that a man's sexual sins are a woman's fault. She's not allowed to think independently. Anger or resentment toward her cheating spouse is sinful. She would face shame and scorn from her community were she to leave him. She was purposefully denied the education and life/work experience she would need to make her own way in the world. Her parents and her cult did everything they possibly could to keep her totally dependent on her husband. And Josh knew all of this full well. He knew he was betraying and endangering a woman who was utterly at his mercy.

That in itself scares me. She's taught to be submissive and do whatever her husband wants.

A few men I know (thankfully I haven't known them in a biblical sense) have confessed that porn has given them a very unrealistic view of sex.

I can't imagine how Anna must have felt when josh inevitably wanted to try something he saw in a porno. Even for non-fundie girls this can be a scary experience let alone someone with her very sheltered knowledge of sex.

[GodsKnickers]

Can anyone find the clip from Josh and Anna's wedding where Josh sang to her? The song went something like this, "I will be faithful to you."

I wonder how many illegitimate children Josh fathered during his trysts.

Anna, please get out.

Starts at about the 4:08 mark. Audio is crap and doesn't match.

[RMB863]

Um ... the fundy interpretation of the Bible.

You can't remarry or it's considered adultery.

Yes, most Fundies base it on Matthew 19

v3 ... They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?â€

4 “Haven’t you read,†he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.â€

7 “Why then,†they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?â€

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.â€

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.â€

The bible is full of different rules on this sort of thing but generally Jesus gets the last word. However interpretations vary. Literalists should apply it as:

woman commits adultery -> divorce and remarriage okay

man commits adultery -> divorce and remarriage not okay

Side note on selective bible reading, off topic entirely, the next two verses refer to eunuchs. To my reading it could easily apply to transgender people (indeed before gender reassignment surgery and hormones becoming a eunuch seems like a fairly good solution to dysphoria). Jesus repeatedly says not to worry about the eunuchs. :whistle:

[NormalBikiniWearingMom]

Atleast he cant touch her for another week or so, thanks to M4

Somehow I don't think his dink is long enough to glue to his leg. [emoji23]

[Rachel333]

Someone already posted the link, but here it is starting right when he begins to sing: https://youtu.be/tZyZFtRh600?t=4m1s

The most recent comment currently is just

Lol

Pretty much says it all. :lol:

[NormalBikiniWearingMom]

You win.

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[NormalBikiniWearingMom]

Somehow I doubt that's what happened, however, and I'm guessing they had a tearful baby-voice prayer circle.

Am I going to HAY-ELL if I peed my pants reading this?[emoji48]