Lori Alexander - Part 2

[Phoebe]

I'm sure there's a salve for whatever Josh might have picked up along the way. Or icing! Maybe he could try icing! :roll:

Coconut oil. :lol:

[Koala]

Did you guys see what that sanctimonious so and so tacked on to the end of her post today:

***I don't expect this post to go viral since most women can't handle the Truth!

Translation:

Please, please, please let this post go viral! I am The Godly Mentor! I was commanded to speak on behalf of The God of the Universe! I deserve to be HEARDDDDDDD!!!!!!

[Koala]

And it turns out Lori has another Aunt! :D She chimed in today:

Hi Lori, Aunt Roselyn here. I think it would be a good idea to credit the source if you repost something. I would like to be able to read it in context and to consider the source. Maybe it was in your post and I missed it. Also, I don't know the protocol for blogging. Do you need permission to repost someone else's material? Just wondering.

Quite a fan club you have there Lori!

[polecat]

And it turns out Lori has another Aunt! :D She chimed in today:

Quite a fan club you have there Lori!

Oh, DANG!

Lori just got busted for copyright infringement by her own aunt!!!

ETA: Jael and Deborah both breathed fire. Just sayin' ...

[formergothardite]

And it turns out Lori has another Aunt! :D She chimed in today:

Quite a fan club you have there Lori!

This made me laugh so hard. :lol: Lori is getting mentored by an older, wiser woman.

[Koala]

This made me laugh so hard. :lol: Lori is getting mentored by an older, wiser woman.

I would love to hear a conversation between Aunt Genny and Aunt Roselyn regarding the Godly Mentor :lol:

Aunt Genny is pretty fast to slap Lori down. I remember one time Lori was prattling on about not having a godly example and Aunt Genny jumped right in to remind her that she came from a fine Christian family and she (Lori) didn't invent the wheel :lol:

[Koala]

Here it is!

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/01/my-moms-cold-hard-rock.html

Lori:

My parents didn't have a very good marriage while I was growing up. My mom was never taught how to love and obey her husband. She didn't have any good role models. She tried to do the best she could. She was faithful to my dad and loved her children. Thankfully, they both always loved Jesus.

Aunt Genny:

Speaking for my parents, they provided a secure, Christian, loving environment for their family. I'm convinced what it was their heart's desire to be good parents. Your mother was the 5th child, born in a one bedroom house.. I don't know to this day where we all slept. My parents raised us through a serious depression and World War II. They were KIND and GENTLE Christian people. My sisters and I often talk about our happy, secure, loving childhood. Zion was a wonderful city to grow up in. We feel immensely blessed by our childhood. Genny Rooks Ower, the 4th child.

Christian people. My sisters and I often talk about our happy, secure childhood. Zion was a wonderful place to live as a child. Mother always believed that God had chosen my father for her.

Aunt Genny:

Lori, it upset me when you wrote that your mother did not have a good role model. In fact, I resent it when you refer to my parents like that. I regard them as excellent role models. But you are right that they did not teach us to obey our husbands. They were a team, a partnership, and they worked together to raise their family in a loving, Christian home.

Lori:

I meant a good role model in being a submissive, obedient wife as my purpose for this blog is. I called my mom last night and asked her if her mother ever taught her to be submissive and she laughed and said no. I never even referred to your parents in the post. Most women have no role models of submissive wives in their lives.

A reader chimed in:

It certainly seems like you were referring to your mom (and aunt's) parents when you wrote:

"My mom was never taught how to love and obey her husband. She didn't have any good role models."

For someone who professes to be "Always Learning", you have a funny way of showing it.

It goes on for about 10 replies in the comments.

The good old days before The Godly Mentor discovered the delete key :disgust:

[thoughtful]

Did Ken say that? If so, I do wish someone would ask him to cite the source of his information.

In my experience he has a habit of speaking on behalf of large groups of people and making blanket assertions with absolutely no means of backing up what he's saying. Drives me nuts.

I can't believe how much information Ken can store in his ass! Pretty amazing.

I got the quote from Salex's post, a few above mine. It was part of Ken's answer to Happy Grandma.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26285&start=880#p1013770

[Koala]

Lori's still riding the waves of the Josh Duggar scandal. That ought to keep her and Ken busy for a month of Sundays.

In the meantime, she's quoting John MacArthur on her blog:

I hate to think of all of these little children in broken homes that are going to grow up and no sense of security, no concept of authority, no sense of morality, no standards to live by, etc.

That's right. Kids in divorced homes have no:

-Security

-Concept of authority

-Morality

-Standards

You know...just in case Anna is thinking of leaving Josh. Afterall, where would the Duggar children get their morals and standards if Josh wasn't around to set an example?

[usmcmom]

I went back to the post to which Koala directed us (lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/01/my-moms-cold-hard-rock.html) and it really makes me angry.

Genevra Ower · 85 weeks ago

Lori, it upset me when you wrote that your mother did not have a good role model. In fact, I resent it when you refer to my parents like that. I regard them as excellent role models. But you are right that they did not teach us to obey our husbands. They were a team, a partnership, and they worked together to raise their family in a loving, Christian home.

Lori Alexander · 85 weeks ago

I meant a good role model in being a submissive, obedient wife as my purpose for this blog is. I called my mom last night and asked her if her mother ever taught her to be submissive and she laughed and said no. I never even referred to your parents in the post. Most women have no role models of submissive wives in their lives.

Her Aunt is trying to tell Lori that her words hurt her because they are insulting to the parents her aunt clearly loved so much. Lori's first response should have been "I'm sorry. Please accept my apology for being disrespectful to your parents." But, NO! Lori must always be right. I would never dream of arguing with one of my older relatives like that - especially in a public manner. Where is the proper respect that is due to older and wiser women??? My goodness, she is so hateful.

[Hisey]

Lori's still riding the waves of the Josh Duggar scandal. That ought to keep her and Ken busy for a month of Sundays.

In the meantime, she's quoting John MacArthur on her blog:

That's right. Kids in divorced homes have no:

-Security

-Concept of authority

-Morality

-Standards

You know...just in case Anna is thinking of leaving Josh. Afterall, where would the Duggar children get their morals and standards if Josh wasn't around to set an example?

I have an iron stomach for fundy-talk at this point but Lori's points about divorce are literally making me sick.

My mother was a gentle and kind woman who endured decades of abuse, real abuse. When she finally divorced, she was pretty old, but those last years of her life were peaceful because she lived alone and no one was abusing her. All she ever wanted was to get along with my dad. She "submitted" in everything, but it didn't make the slightest difference. In my years of living at home, he never once referred to her by her proper name and never once did anything like take her out. She couldn't even eat at the table with us, on the rare occasions my father was home to eat with the kids.

There are lots of women like that. Women who are surprised to find they've married an angry, domineering man who wants impossible things and can never be satisfied. God hates it that they achieve peace (not prosperity or happiness, just peace) in their lives?

Thankfully, my mother was not a Christian, but it still took her many years to overcome the social stigma attached to divorce at the time. It was unbelievable hard for her to get the courage to get a divorce. After the divorce, she was still a bit embarrassed about being a divorcee. She knew her deceased mother would've never forgiven her for divorcing. Kind of like Anna's family.

[Koala]

Ken Alexander:

Mary M.

I will tackle your issues without publishing your comments because your accusations are false. It is irrational to equate incest to to inappropriate touching by a minor towards his sisters. It does not stand up to the definition of incest as no sexual activity occurred. I am not saying that what he did was minor, but it certainly was not major either when you look at exactly what was alleged, mainly touching a breast of 10-12 year olds. It would not surprise me if many of the men and women in your life did not do much worse with their siblings, the difference being it was consensual. Many psychologist wrongly believe it is a normal part of exploring ones sexuality to have some sexual type contact with a sibling, and they do not in any way consider this to be incest, because it is not. It is sinful, but no where near incest.

I am absolutely floored.

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[lynn0810]

The Alexanders are getting crazier with each scandal. I read their responses to comments and am speechless. I know there is no way any church they attend would let her mentor anyone. She is a hardcore crazy fundie trapped in immodest clothing.

[salex]

Ken Alexander:

I am absolutely floored.

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I think that tells us more about Ken than about anything else.

According to

And while I know Wikipedia is a shit source, it says

Between childhood siblings[edit]

Childhood sibling–sibling incest is considered to be widespread but rarely reported.[59] Sibling-sibling incest becomes child-on-child sexual abuse when it occurs without consent, without equality, or as a result of coercion. In this form, it is believed to be the most common form of intrafamilial abuse.[82] The most commonly reported form of abusive sibling incest is abuse of a younger sibling by an older sibling.[59] A 2006 study showed a large portion of adults who experienced sibling incest abuse have distorted or disturbed beliefs (such as that the act was "normal") both about their own experience and the subject of sexual abuse in general.[83]

Sibling abusive incest is most prevalent in families where one or both parents are often absent or emotionally unavailable, with the abusive siblings using incest as a way to assert their power over a weaker sibling.[84] Absence of the father in particular has been found to be a significant element of most cases of sexual abuse of female children by a brother.[85] The damaging effects on both childhood development and adult symptoms resulting from brother–sister sexual abuse are similar to the effects of father–daughter, including substance abuse, depression, suicidality, and eating disorders.[85][86]

If Ken doesn't think that fondling is incest or abuse, he should check the definitions....

What is child sexual abuse?

Child sexual abuse is a form of child abuse that includes sexual activity with a minor. A child cannot consent to any form of sexual activity, period. When a perpetrator engages with a child this way, they are committing a crime that can have lasting effects on the victim for years. Child sexual abuse does not need to include physical contact between a perpetrator and a child. Some forms of child sexual abuse include:

Obscene phone calls, text messages, or digital interaction

Fondling

Exhibitionism, or exposing oneself to a minor

Masturbation in the presence of a minor or forcing the minor to masturbate

Intercourse

Sex of any kind with a minor, including vaginal, oral, or anal

Producing, owning, or sharing pornographic images or movies of children

Sex trafficking

Any other sexual conduct that is harmful to a child's mental, emotional, or physical welfare

rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/child-sexual-abuse

Obviously the Duggars knew it was illegal and "bad" or they wouldn't have done what they did within their church and with Officer Friendly.

Ken is so slimy, with his "oh, it was just a little fondling" and "everyone does it" and "wives sin more by being angry about porn than men do by looking at it" and when you toss in his anger at women working and calling them whores of babylon and his "Up against the wall" attitudes-- well, let's just say I'm happy not to know him.

[polecat]

Ken Alexander:

I am absolutely floored.

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omg, Ken, what the hell?

[thoughtful]

Ken, listen up.

Words

mean

things.

Come here again and try to explain to us how what Josh did to his sisters wasn't sexual. I dare you.

[Florita]

Ken makes my skin crawl. There's something wrong with him. :ew:

[YoshiCat]

I went back to the post to which Koala directed us (lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/01/my-moms-cold-hard-rock.html) and it really makes me angry.

Her Aunt is trying to tell Lori that her words hurt her because they are insulting to the parents her aunt clearly loved so much. Lori's first response should have been "I'm sorry. Please accept my apology for being disrespectful to your parents." But, NO! Lori must always be right. I would never dream of arguing with one of my older relatives like that - especially in a public manner. Where is the proper respect that is due to older and wiser women??? My goodness, she is so hateful.

And yet despite not having a mother who was a submissive role model, Lori has managed to become the perfect submissive wife. She's so good at it that's she's qualified to instruct everyone else in how to do it. How did she manage that with such a poor role model?

[lilwriter85]

And yet despite not having a mother who was a submissive role model, Lori has managed to become the perfect submissive wife. She's so good at it that's she's qualified to instruct everyone else in how to do it. How did she manage that with such a poor role model?

Debi Pearl's book taught her to be a submissive wife.

[FundieWatcher]

I like when Lori posts groundbreaking information... like pregnant women should eat healthy, drink water and elevate their feet. Who knew?

[lilwriter85]

The Alexanders are getting crazier with each scandal. I read their responses to comments and am speechless. I know there is no way any church they attend would let her mentor anyone. She is a hardcore crazy fundie trapped in immodest clothing.

I have wondered about that for a long time, even before Ken came here. Lori posted about how she and/or Ken would meet with women and/or couples from church. I first checked the church's site about two or three years ago, no mentions of Lori being involved with ministry programs. Now, it could be totally true that her church is letting her mentor women, but she doesn't get listed on the site because she isn't a church employee. Lori did mention going to some church meeting, where she also had to coldly mention how a youth pastor would be dead any day now because of cancer. It's possible that the church has all meetings open to members. It's hard to tell if Lori's church is actually sending her women to be mentored or if Lori is somehow getting women to be mentored on her own.

I kind of want to do a wayback search of the church's website. A wayback search of previous years might bring up Lori and Ken's involvement. The church is a megachurch and there is no way Lori and Ken know everyone. But, I wouldn't be surprised, if some people avoid her. Lori has said that people from the church rejected her as a mentor. I hope the people that rejected Lori are warning others in the church. If Lori is telling truth about the church sending her people, it wouldn't be too surprising. Some churches aren't careful with who they have volunteering for programs and ministries.

[Florita]

I like when Lori posts groundbreaking information... like pregnant women should eat healthy, drink water and elevate their feet. Who knew?

Sounds like a daughter or DIL is pregnant and Lori has a boatload of unsolicited advice she wants to dump on her.

[Loveday]

"Anonymous" has given her a bit of pushback:

Lori,

When I had my first I was sick for eight solid months. Zofran and Phenergan were the only things that even remotely helped the vomiting. In addition, I had to sip a Coke in order to keep basically anything down. My son was a little early, and for some odd reason I produced no milk and had to bottlefeed him from the start, but I was violently ill the entire time and had my mother and sisters castigating me because I had to take drugs and sip Coca-Cola, and also that I had to feed my son formula. They berated me day and night for "poisoning" my child, and also some other well-meaning friends and relatives did the same. No young, first time mother should have to go through that kind of castigation from her own family.

I definitely agree with your assessment regarding seeking natural remedies, but to chastise people because of what they have to do to make it through is unacceptable.

The next five pregnancies were MUCH better -- everything was done in the nausea department by the end of the first trimester, but that first pregnancy was a nightmare of nausea and vomiting, and in the breastfeeding department I produced like a Holstein cow, so I can only chalk Pregnancy #1 to a fluke. By the way, my son is now twelve and a half, in seventh grade, plays soccer and violin, and did not suffer major ill effects from my having to take Zofran and Phenergan and having to bottle feed him.

I'm surprised she let this one through, but I suppose she'll use it to somehow prove that she's still always right. :roll:

[polecat]

I like when Lori posts groundbreaking information... like pregnant women should eat healthy, drink water and elevate their feet. Who knew?

I'm not going to write a book to respond to her nonsense.

But suffice it to say, I HATE when people assume large babies are due to crappy dietary choices or gestational diabetes. Sometimes babies are naturally larger. I also really hate when people assume that pregnancy complications are a woman's fault. Sure, junk food isn't great for your body or your pregnancy, but not all women who have swelling or pre-eclampsia have crappy diets or lifestyles. Get over yourself, Lori.

[lynn0810]

"Anonymous" has given her a bit of pushback:

I'm surprised she let this one through, but I suppose she'll use it to somehow prove that she's still always right. :roll:

I just looked at today's post and that comment has already been deleted. You know she doesn't post "exceptions" :roll: