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1986 tape from Cheri Peters The last 15 minutes of this video is awful. She talks about taking down the diaper of a toddler and "whipping her fanny".She also says that the offense of lying would result in her child having black and blue marks for days. She was also a white supremeist. She said cherished and honored by the one man God has given to rule over her. ... God never intended for anyone but a white Christian male to make decisions." I get the feeling this kind of thing will become popular again
I have been doing research about the amount of fundamentalist sites promoting the teaching of the Pearls and others. Thankfully there doesn't seem to be as many as there was 10 years ago. Even James Dobson does not appear to be that popular aymore. There is still some awful stuff out there including the memoirs of a John Holland http://hakatan.com/bfh/bh6.htm it is just not the description that irks me, it is the wording used. It seems rather celebratory. Also found this. http://www.justamomintraining.com/training-part-2-toddler-discipline/ I see these mothers as victims of the Pearls. They feel they have to hit their children because of the bible. Sad Thanks
happy atheist posted a topic in Lori & Ken Alexander (Always Learning/The Transformed Wife)Part 1: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25361 I haven't been following this thread lately, so if someone else would like to post a summary it would be appreciated.
On SSB a former ATI student shares his experience with Gothard's teachings about how parents should spank their children. Warning, the article is very disturbing. I'm only going to copy the part that explains what Gothard told parents to do when it came to spanking their children. I asked my mother if she had this booklet and she said no, probably because as you get further into ATI you usually buy more of the materials and my parents didn't buy a lot of the stuff they were encouraged to buy. The stipulation was that we had to hold still and submissively accept the beating, and we had to stop crying and be silent and not make a sound. This was a specific part of Gothard's beating protocol, found in one of his pamphlets: the silent, limp submission to a beating was his metric for a "repentant spirit." Yes, this is how Gothard tells parents to spank their children. This is what the author of the blog post has to say for all the people who side with Gothard. This would especially include people like the Bates where Gil and Kelly are not only in a position to know more than most ATI parents, but they could actually do something(but they don't). I'd like to state again for the record that Gothard apologists are remorseless sadists, and this includes that Alfred character who comments on your blog. These people KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THE IBLP/ATI PROGRAM, AND THEY ARE FINE WITH IT. spiritualsoundingboard.com/2015/03/31/man-shares-personal-testimony-of-how-bill-gothard-used-bible-verses-which-led-to-the-abuse-of-children-part-2/
I was over on the Niednagel Facebook pages (I'm a little obsessed with them) and was thinking about Danielle Voeller Niednagel. I remembered that there had been some sort of scandal involving her father Jim, who was big with Gothard ministries, having an affair with his secretary and leaving his wife Lori and their 8 kids. I googled Jim and Lori and came upon a site that quoted some of their child-raising tips from a Gothard discussion group in 1999. The discussion group promotes blanket training, beating babies as young as six months, and not giving kids any time to play. Here is the site I got it off of: democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4173778 The quoted discussion group is about half-way down the page. Here they talk about beating 6 month old babies Michelle Duggar talks about blanket training, but Lori Voeller explains exactly how it is done. Here Lori explains her views on play. I know we've covered a lot of what is said here, but I don't remember ever seeing this particular piece before. The cruelty and abuse I read about here makes me wonder about Danielle Voeller Niednagel and how she is raising her kids. I can only assume that she is implementing many of her parents' techniques. So sad.
SamuraiKatz posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill GothardThese go fast at the Fayetteville Hobby Lobby. Had no idea you could even buy a paddle like this anymore. Conveniently located in the decorative painting dept....
I don't know why they avoid the big question of whether or not they spank. I just found this little gem from quiverfull.com: quiverfull.com/articles.php/id20/ And from their website circa 2005: http://web.archive.org/web/200507060601 ... m/faq.html