Lori Alexander wants tolerance....for herself

[Koala]

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/09/ravenous-wolves.html

Some people come cross as mean and hateful when they disagree. Whenever I write a post, I never know what the response will be. I just write my opinions and try to stay within God's Word to guide me. When I wrote A More Innocent Time, several minutes after it was published, I recieved this email, "One day, Lori, you will have to stand trial before the Lord for all the wicked things you spew on His children and especially on His daughters!" I simply deleted it and moved on.

I started getting a lot more mean emails and could not fathom why this post would create such a backlash. I know I have websites that hate everything good, moral, and decent that mock me. I am use to it and don't let it stop me.

To be clear, my commentary was on a Hallmark movie that was a portrayal of more decent times in our country as I stated in my post ~

It is set in a time in our history when sexual immorality was not nearly as common and society wasn't hyper-sexualized like it is today. I imagine it was a much easier time to remain sexually pure. The music was decent and romantic. No vulgar words. Divorce was rare. Parents stayed together and raised their children. Yes, it is easy to romanticize those days and look back with nostalgia but God has placed us here, in this day, for His purposes. They had their struggles and we have ours.

That afternoon, I asked Ken to read my post and tell me if I was out of line. When I asked him , he was already responding to some of my critics. He wrote ~

I have no clue what world a few commenters are living in, but to think that the world is not running headlong into the End Times is to be out of touch with reality. Evil is always present in the world, but there was a time in the U.S. where churches were filled, neighbors who knew each other and acted like a church, even with unbelievers. Doors were never locked, kids played out in the streets and hope abounded.

Fast forward to today and see that right is wrong and wrong is considered right in so many areas of our society. Abortion is acceptable to half the nation, and with it shacking up is almost the norm for even Christian kids. Being gay is not only considered an

acceptable lifestyle, it is honored and glorified on TV, the media and legislated to be something wonderful. Alcohol is now replaced with a myriad of special drugs, and even our kids are loaded up with cocaine like drugs to keep their behavior in check and their grades at a high standard.

The list of degradation in our country from 50 years ago to today is almost endless with prisons filled, divorce rates through the roof and everyone doing what is good in their own eyes instead of listening to God’s Word at church on Sundays and at least trying to be a “good person.â€

Let me be clear. Every era has its evils and my post was specifically focused on our hyper sexed society and the breakdown of the family. To believe that we are not heading down a path of destruction when it comes to sex is to have one's head either buried in the sand, or to believe an "anything goes concerning sex" philosophy of our times is somehow a good thing.

As long as my husband defends what I write and as long as the Lord allows me to write, I will continue to stand for God's Word no matter what the detractors say. After all, that is my right, which some would love to take away from me in the name of tolerance. But where is their tolerance?

[lilwriter85]

I was bothered more by the fact that Lori tried to make it seem like the World War II era was a violent free time for American women. One of the huge problems with Lori is that she tries to make it seem like the U.S. is a Christian theocracy. I've noticed that she never acknowledges non-Christian religions on her blog. She probably doesn't give a shit that Jews, Muslims, and others from non-Christian religions live in this country too.

[Anny Nym]

Could it be, her critics really got under her skin this time...?

[Three and Done]

I find it squicky that she constantly runs to Ken for "backup" - it reminds me far too much of the neighborhood tattletale running home to "Tell my Dad on you!". We all hated THAT kid...

[AtroposHeart]

Why do fundies have such thin skin, they spew out this crap, but whenever ANYONE sends back an inch of what they give out, then they are being PERSECUTED!

Hallmark movies are made for old people to keep them entertained during the weekdays that is all. It is not an accurate portrayal of history in anyway. They are just feel good movies with no offense morals.

[FloraKitty35]

Typical bully, bitch can dish it, but can't take it.

[Closed Womb]

Could it be, her critics really got under her skin this time...?

Quite possibly. And I think that this "ask Ken what he thinks" BS is her just trying to get out of answering to God for her hate. That is, I think a part of her really DOES think she'll be facing a pissed off God on judgement day, and wants to be able to place the blame squarely on Ken's shoulders (following her headship and all.)

[Anny Nym]

Quite possibly. And I think that this "ask Ken what he thinks" BS is her just trying to get out of answering to God for her hate. That is, I think a part of her really DOES think she'll be facing a pissed off God on judgement day, and wants to be able to place the blame squarely on Ken's shoulders (following her headship and all.)

The "blaming it on headship, wash my hands off the hate" thing would quite match Lori´s character.

Also weird, some people interacted with her in very heavy (like in heavy to derail with her usual gibberish for her - and Ken) argumentations about her 1940s BS and this one sentence seemed to actually pinch and bother her so much, she had to write a post on it several days after... Isn´t she getting tons of mail like that?

[lilwriter85]

I find it squicky that she constantly runs to Ken for "backup" - it reminds me far too much of the neighborhood tattletale running home to "Tell my Dad on you!". We all hated THAT kid...

I also find it squicky. I think Ken is the fundie husband who comments the most on his wife's blog. I know the PP has commented a few times on Zsu's blog. But I think Zsu does her blog thing for the most part and doesn't run to the PP for backup. I know this is weird, but I find Ken to be more creepy than Steve Maxwell and the PP.

[lilwriter85]

The "blaming it on headship, wash my hands off the hate" thing would quite match Lori´s character.

Also weird, some people interacted with her in very heavy (like in heavy to derail with her usual gibberish for her - and Ken) argumentations about her 1940s BS and this one sentence seemed to actually pinch and bother her so much, she had to write a post on it several days after... Isn´t she getting tons of mail like that?

I think some of people who have sent emails to her aren't from FJ. I have looked at some of her early blog entries and people disagreed with her back then. There was an older entry about how she dislikes stay at home dads and there were several men who commented and she allowed their comments to be posted even though they disagreed with her. I think some people who are non-FJ stumble onto her blog different ways and they end up seeing the crazy. Some conservative Christians probably find Lori too extreme on certain subjects.

[FreeJosie]

I have no clue what world a few commenters are living in, but to think that the world is not running headlong into the End Times is to be out of touch with reality. Evil is always present in the world, but there was a time in the U.S. where churches were filled, neighbors who knew each other and acted like a church, even with unbelievers. Doors were never locked, kids played out in the streets and hope abounded.

Yeah, Ken, and that would be the same time period when millions of people were being exterminated. I imagine that a lot of people who lived during the 1940s thought that the "End Times" were approaching then.

[lilwriter85]

Yeah, Ken, and that would be the same time period when millions of people were being exterminated. I imagine that a lot of people who lived during the 1940s thought that the "End Times" were approaching then.

Yup that was so true.

[salex]

Most of the time, people get most defensive when they realize they were wrong.

I think she is not just upset that people disagree, but that she realizes their points are correct. But can't back down.

[lizziesmom]

It amazes me that bloggers like Lori put their views and opinions out on the internet and then are surprised when people disagree with them and get defensive. Stop blogging if you can't take it.

[littlemommy]

Stop blogging if you can't take it.

Actually, Lori, just stop blogging FULL STOP!

[Ms Jess]

Most of the time, people get most defensive when they realize they were wrong.

I think she is not just upset that people disagree, but that she realizes their points are correct. But can't back down.

*dingdingding* I think we have a winner!

I have a brother who is like this. He is extremely black and white in his interpretation of most things. When any sort of debate comes up he immediately states his opinion as fact and as the discussion evolves he is unwilling or unable to change his mind even if someone makes a stronger point opposing him. Then he becomes increasingly angry as he keeps trying to defend a point that he doesn't really believe. It makes family discussions lots of fun around the holidays. :?

[Koala]

Love this comment:

I actually think people like that are really wimpy. They just can't handle an opinion? And it wasn't even a harsh one so.... I have no clue why you received that response.

:lol: Oh the irony...

[Minerva]

Not that I condone nasty emails, but it sounds like Lori's getting a taste of her own medicine and not liking it one bit. I'd express hope that being treated with intolerance will make her realize the error of her ways and tone down the condemnation. However, at this point it's pretty clear that "Always Learning" Lori hardly ever learns.

One day, Lori, you will have to stand trial before the Lord for all the wicked things you spew on His children and especially on His daughters!

It's ok when Lori says that sort of thing about people who haven't "accepted Jesus", but no one had better say it of Lori! That would be mean. :naughty:

[Anny Nym]

I don´t see any nasty-ness here, actually. If you leave out the word "wicked", it´s the essence of christian belief about Judgement Day: That one has to stand trial before God for his/her doings on earth.

And as Lori says some pretty wicked things special to women, I´m absolute fine with that statement.

Is Lori so full of herself, she doesn´t belive in having to face God? Or do fundies like her not belive in Judgement Day or being asked about ones good bad doings after one dies?

[docmom]

I think a lot of the fundie bloggers are genuinely amazed that there are people out there who don't believe everything they do. If you live in a limited world, as they do, dissenting opinions are rare and I can imagine that it might be quite traumatic to come up against them. Running to Ken is her way of checking that her beliefs are still right in her world. In a way, it's kind of a good thing. It means she's questioning, just a tiny bit, her belief system. If she was steadfast in her belief, she wouldn't need the validation from Ken. Maybe some of the comments are actually getting through to her.... In any case, it can't hurt to continue the fight.

[rward]

I don´t see any nasty-ness here, actually. If you leave out the word "wicked", it´s the essence of christian belief about Judgement Day: That one has to stand trial before God for his/her doings on earth.

And as Lori says some pretty wicked things special to women, I´m absolute fine with that statement.

Is Lori so full of herself, she doesn´t belive in having to face God? Or do fundies like her not belive in Judgement Day or being asked about ones good bad doings after one dies?

If she's the sort of Christian I think she is, there is no Judgment Day. She believes she will be raptured straight to Heaven, just for believing, then there will be a ceremony in which God gives his faithful crowns for doing certain things, like evangelism, then they will all take their crowns and give them back to God (yeah, it's confusing) and then they go to live in their huge mansions in streets paved with gold while the unbelievers battle the 10 Plagues II: Electric Bugaloo.

[Anny Nym]

If she's the sort of Christian I think she is, there is no Judgment Day. She believes she will be raptured straight to Heaven, just for believing, then there will be a ceremony in which God gives his faithful crowns for doing certain things, like evangelism, then they will all take their crowns and give them back to God (yeah, it's confusing) and then they go to live in their huge mansions in streets paved with gold while the unbelievers battle the 10 Plagues II: Electric Bugaloo.

0_o!!! WUT?! :pink-shock:

You know, this is the first time, I truly understand what the term "cheap grace" means... I thought Judgement Day is a essential and universal thing for ALL christians.

The Flying Spagetthi Monster makes more sense than this interpretation of being a Christian. Now I think she actually freaked.out. when getting this particular email out of the blue (in her sense).

[dairyfreelife]

In counting crime, Ken is making a classic mistake. He sees an increase in number and attributes it an increase in that issue. It's a very common mistake and one I see often. It's vital to take into account population increase with the criminal population increase and see if there's a real increase statistically.

In 1960, violent crime was 16% and property crime was 17.3%

In 2011, violent crime was 38.7% and property crime was 28.5%

But...both violent and property crime has decreased significantly in recent years.

1990...violent crime 73.2% and property 50.9%.

1980...violent 59.7% and property 53.5

1970...violent 36.4% and property 38.2

So, crime doubled by 1970, and grew rapidly before falling and is currently near 1970 levels, so no, there's not a huge wave of crime in the nation currently at all. Not to mention the increase in reporting crimes such as rape since 1960 as well and the advent of DNA testing that came about in the 1980/90s, which helped prosecute more individuals. Also the drug war from Reagan that imprisoned individuals for possessing drugs, which lead to an increase in the prison populace.

Crime was at the highest in his linked charts in the 1980s and early to mid 1990s. It's been dropping ever since.

As for sexual immorality, the state with the highest rate of porn use is Utah. But really, sex isn't an issue for me. Just don't be stupid, use protection, it's an adult behavior and those doing so should be aware of the responsibility that sexual intercourse brings just as all adults actions bring. Premarital sex happened all the time in the past, they just found ways to hide it, aborted it in secret, or had a shotgun wedding with a healthy, full-term looking 7-8 month preemie. :lol:

Oh, and looked over the comments again. I don't see any mean-spirited comments, just disagreement, which are nice. Also, the comment of Sheila's about PB being hateful above her for disagreeing with Lori was :lol: and :evil-eye:

[snarktastic]

I know I have websites that hate everything good, moral, and decent that mock me

I think we can assume that she means us. Hi Lori!!!! :nenner:

Quick round up of the things that FJ'ers actually hate:

- People who hit little children with sticks and / or let them go hungry

- People who spew hatred of gays

- People who adopt kids from overseas and drop them like a hot brick when said kids have a few problems

I think that's about it as far as *hate* goes. People who just have really, really stupid opinions we just have a little fun with.

Also can I just add that the German and Swedish posters on here have far, far better English than Lori just demo'd in the above quote?

[moodygirl86]

*dingdingding* I think we have a winner!

I have a brother who is like this. He is extremely black and white in his interpretation of most things. When any sort of debate comes up he immediately states his opinion as fact and as the discussion evolves he is unwilling or unable to change his mind even if someone makes a stronger point opposing him. Then he becomes increasingly angry as he keeps trying to defend a point that he doesn't really believe. It makes family discussions lots of fun around the holidays. :?

Oh God, do we share the same brother by any chance, Ms Jess? Has he been living a double life?