Ah the Life- oldest SAHDs?

[Sobeknofret]

Speaking of older SAHDs, does anyone know whether Bethany Lindvall (Jonathan Lindvall's daughter) is still a SAHD? She must be in her forties by now, but the Lindvalls seem to have dropped out of the fundy circuit. In their day, they were in the outermost limits of fundamentalist patriarchy--headcovering, women not allowed to drive, betrothal, etc.

I found what I think is her blog, although she stopped blogging last year. She seems to be still single, but working on a nursing degree, although she doesn't say where. Her facebook page has a picture of her and a young man, so maybe courting?

[Anny Nym]

On the facebook of Bethany Lindvalls mom, there is the same photo and some people commenting about them 2, so yes, Bethany seems to be courting. I´m happy for her, she has this Poor Sarah habitus around her and seems to be a nice and quiet person in real life.

She was the "forgotten SAHD" for a long time...

[rward]

Oh yes, I remember that "Bringing Rebecca Home" entry...was the first and only time I went to that blog. She did look mortified and I can't imagine many workplaces allowing a group of people to barge in and escort a worker out. Was she thinking of quitting anyway and they decide to make a big deal of going in on her last day, meaning she gave notice or did they just barge in? I can't remember. Maybe that's why the workplace allowed it and also they didn't want to offend the fundie crazies and have them cry persecution or something.

If someone came barging into my work, they would be dealing with security and the police. And we have had people try it.

That was her last day. So when they say "bringing Rebecca home", they mean "making a huge production of her agreed upon last day at work after acceptable notice to her employer."

Really brave, yo!

[MamaJunebug]

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These families are handicapping the daughters. .....

That's for sure. From wrapping them at birth in ankle-length dresses that hinder first their crawling, and later their running and inhibit their general ease of movement, to keeping them daddy-dependent and father-worshiping, they are all about decimating the daughters.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why. A brief story from my own life: By the time I was 7, my dad was telling me very soberly to get good grades so I'd get into college and learn a profession that would support me.

In contrast, a cousin's father indulged his "wittle gull" and shrugged off her desire to quit high school ASAP. "Girls don't need an education," he snorted. "They can live off their husbands."

The thing is: The patriarchal/quiverful men who now reject the idea of educated, independent women look like my dad, not my cousin's dad! They are educated, the sons of educated parents, brought up in Christian milieus that encouraged scholarship in religion and life.

It boggles me to try to figure out HOW they think they're going to take over the world when the hearts of their women are on the ground. And those hearts, if not there now, will be, in less than a generation. I simply don't get it.

[rward]

That's for sure. From wrapping them at birth in ankle-length dresses that hinder first their crawling, and later their running and inhibit their general ease of movement, to keeping them daddy-dependent and father-worshiping, they are all about decimating the daughters.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why. A brief story from my own life: By the time I was 7, my dad was telling me very soberly to get good grades so I'd get into college and learn a profession that would support me.

In contrast, a cousin's father indulged his "wittle gull" and shrugged off her desire to quit high school ASAP. "Girls don't need an education," he snorted. "They can live off their husbands."

The thing is: The patriarchal/quiverful men who now reject the idea of educated, independent women look like my dad, not my cousin's dad! They are educated, the sons of educated parents, brought up in Christian milieus that encouraged scholarship in religion and life.

It boggles me to try to figure out HOW they think they're going to take over the world when the hearts of their women are on the ground. And those hearts, if not there now, will be, in less than a generation. I simply don't get it.

What really blows my mind is these same women are held responsible for educating the next generation of girls and boys. Okay, the girls in their world don't really even need to know how to read, but the boys are supposed to be taking over the world. How's that going to work when their only teachers are barely literate, socially, mentally and emotionally handicapped pseudochildren with no experience outside their own homes?

[salex]

What really blows my mind is these same women are held responsible for educating the next generation of girls and boys. Okay, the girls in their world don't really even need to know how to read, but the boys are supposed to be taking over the world. How's that going to work when their only teachers are barely literate, socially, mentally and emotionally handicapped pseudochildren with no experience outside their own homes?

It is going to work out well for those of us who disagree with them. It becomes a self limiting group....

[deaja]

Ah, yes, the Ah, the Life Blog, the blog that gave us the epic story of bringing Rebecca home.

ahthelife.blogspot.com/2006/09/bringing-home-rebecca.html

[edited by hoipolloi to remove direct link]

I think I just died a little inside reading that.

[Jana814]

I was just watching NBC nightly news. They had a woman who is 96 years old & still working she started as a Rosie the Rivertier type job & never left she said she can't imagine NOT working would love to hear her reaction to what this guy did! Not to mention anything that the Maxwell say about women working.

[fundiefan]

Daddy Dearest responds to comments on that shirt post saying something like 'I actually have one rule "No".

Explains a lot.

Looks like Dawn went to real school and has real friends and wears pants. Can't tell much more than that. I'm sure mommy & daddy are wondering where they went wrong with her and keep an even tighter grip on their remaining almost middle aged stay at home daughters.

I get honestly appalled at these people and what they do to their offspring in the name of their failure at manhood - which is all I see it as. They failed so they're not going to let their offspring succeed.

[DefraudedByPlaid]

A very quick FB search for Rebecca C oleman brings up someone who seems to match this person, and although her wall isn't visible, there are many baby pictures, along with an "It's a Boy!" banner and an array of parenting books, including one on adoption. So perhaps they ended up adopting? Or maybe she takes care of children in her home? Hard to tell. I find her story very sad.

In 2008, they wrote a blog post responding to one of the comments on the original story. If you skip to the last paragraph, it gives a quick update on Rebecca and her family.

ahthelife.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-if-he-dies-follow-up-to-bringing.html

[MissBeaufort]

In 2008, they wrote a blog post responding to one of the comments on the original story. If you skip to the last paragraph, it gives a quick update on Rebecca and her family.

ahthelife.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-if-he-dies-follow-up-to-bringing.html

Wow, way to completely not answer the question about what you're supposed to do if your husband dies.

[DefraudedByPlaid]

Wow, way to completely not answer the question about what you're supposed to do if your husband dies.

But they did...it's the Magical Family Business, independent of market prices and the need to rely on your own skills (?) that will provide for them. !

[formergothardite]

I wonder if they really don't want the whole husband/children package but they can never admit it even to themselves.

[flojo]

I still think their obsession with carrying is creepy. In fanny packs - um....

[NurseNell]

I found this, which answers two questions:

(a) What do SAHDs do for fun and

(b) Who was it who really disdained the concept of being a "wage slave"? (I once attributed that to Jasmine Baucham, who set me straight that she had never used the term. Indeed - it was a Sister Reins, which one, I do not know.)

ahthelife.blogspot.com/2007/12/hobbies.html

On that page they say:

Or just buy a violin and teach yourself to play so you can give your children a musical heritage someday.

But, you have to have sex, with a man, if you are going to have children. And if you're living at home in your mid to late 30's, with your eggs dying by the month, your days of possibly having children are pretty limited.

[Marian the Librarian]

But, you have to have sex, with a man, if you are going to have children. And if you're living at home in your mid to late 30's, with your eggs dying by the month, your days of possibly having children are pretty limited.

Let's face it - if you're almost 37 years old, still living with your parents, lying around the house in your bathrobe at 1:00 in the afternoon, and (to all appearances) not holding down anything that remotely resembles a job, something is very, very wrong.

I wonder, will the Family Reins ever concede that "We Will Make SAHD-Hood Look Good At All Costs" is an epic fail??

[Kishiria]

I remember finding the "Bringing Rebecca Home" from a horrific "Women and Marriage" blog by a fundie guy named Michael. The blog appears to be gone now. He said that he wished he could do this with whatever "girl" he married, ending it by walking away from her workplace hand in hand.

That entry has been edited heavily. The Reins sisters referred to Rebecca's workplace as a "slave labour camp" numerous times in there, until a number of people reminded them that there are really people suffering and dying in slave labour camps around the world, and that this was a really horrible analogy to make.

Anyone remember that? It was in 2009.

[Handmaiden of Dog]

This is my first exposure to these two sisters. I read this topic yesterday and it has been haunting me. In all seriousness what do they think will happen to them after their father dies? Has he taken on enough insurance coverage that will support their mother and them for the rest of their lives? Never having worked, they won't be entitled to any Social Security. What happens when they are 60 or 70? They will certainly be too old to start working at that point. They really are in danger of ending up destitute.

I was thinking that they live like nuns, but at least nuns can rely on the church to take care of them in old age. These two will be a pair of crazy old ladies relying on charity to pay for their food and shelter.

[snarkyjan]

I remember finding the "Bringing Rebecca Home" from a horrific "Women and Marriage" blog by a fundie guy named Michael. The blog appears to be gone now. He said that he wished he could do this with whatever "girl" he married, ending it by walking away from her workplace hand in hand.

That entry has been edited heavily. The Reins sisters referred to Rebecca's workplace as a "slave labour camp" numerous times in there, until a number of people reminded them that there are really people suffering and dying in slave labour camps around the world, and that this was a really horrible analogy to make.

Anyone remember that? It was in 2009.

I remember this one too, and I've always wondered how Rebecca's boss and co-workers reacted to having their workplace likened to a slave labor camp. Something tells me they popped the champagne corks as soon as Rebecca and her fundie contingent boarded the elevator.

[JMarie]

ahthelife.blogspot.com/2007/09/ourbucks-prosumerism-and-retail-estate.html

Quote: Rather than building the vision of the owners of Starbucks, who openly denounces the magnificent creations of God and God Himself while promoting false religions & sodomy on their cups...

Can anyone explain how Starbucks is promoting sodomy? This is a new one for me.

[Widget]

Never having worked, they won't be entitled to any Social Security.

That is not entirely true. I'm assuming that because they are SAHDs they have no college education?

If they get to retirement age with both no work experience and no post secondary education , they would likely be automatically approved for Social Security Supplemental Security Income.

[Marian the Librarian]

That is not entirely true. I'm assuming that because they are SAHDs they have no college education?

If they get to retirement age with both no work experience and no post secondary education , they would likely be automatically approved for Social Security Supplemental Security Income.

Ah, but that would mean reliance on the ebil gummint!

[louisa05]

Wow, way to completely not answer the question about what you're supposed to do if your husband dies.

I read that whole thing and I'm not sure I know what it means. It was a whole lot of rambling words about not working for an employer and evil public education that really made very little sense and was barely based in reality. :?

[Marian the Librarian]

It should come as no surprise that Daddy has posted the following on his FB page:

The CEO of Barilla US pasta maker said they will never use a homosexual couple in their ads. They are taking a lot of heat. Go like their page and offer a supporting comment.

[dairyfreelife]

Yep, they didn't answer it at all,

Being financially mature and responsible has been bred out of us Americans by the influence of the public school system whether we attended it or not.

Says who? Lots of people I know are very responsible with finances and pretty much everyone I know went to public school. Also, how does the public school system "bred" information to those who did not attend such a school? Whatever. You see all us public schoolers succeeding and you all be hatin'. :hand:

families in which both husband and wife work a job have great difficulty paying their bills and meeting the needs of their family.

So, how is one-parent working family succeeding if this so? This just says we need women out in the workforce to pay bills.

So what happens when the income is cut in two? Is there such a thing as a good back-up plan? Will the church help? Is conventional education the best plan?

One person working would mean cutting back greatly, but income is still coming in. Yes, there are many good back-up plans. And most churches don't have the funds to help and yes, education is essential to getting a job that will support you and a family.

Most people are forced into trading their time for more money because they no longer have money due to their indebtedness.

Which is why going to local colleges is better. I really don't have much debt at all with my college education. However, most college students and recent grads are broke. It's not about being bad with money, it's about getting the right foot in the door and soon moving up to bigger and better things.

Families need to face the reality that if it is not working now with two wage incomes, it will not work with one wage income in the event that Daddy dies.

Perhaps, but here's the thing...my father has a chronic illness now, recently diagnosed. My sister and are finished or are nearly finished with college. We are educated and I am bringing in more income now as a result. Because of this education, we can make decent money and because we can make decent money, if something happened to my father, my mother can be cared for by us. When my dad can't work, we have already agreed to let them live with us. We can care for them. BUT, if my mom had a better education she wouldn't need us for help.

Putting a wife to work is not a "good back-up plan." It is rather setting ourselves up to become a societal burden and is not wise or a responsible use of our talents and abilities as women.

Huh? :think: How is earning an income, spending money and helping capitalism grow being a "societal burden" and not a wise choice or responsible use of talent and ability. I love to write and now that's my job. My talents are now useful to many people. I'm paying back now what I've paid in, doing useful things with my life. You all on the other hand are living off your parents without any job skills or education and you call working women burdens to society? :hand:

Colleges teach the curriculum that will create for the corporations the employees they need.

Thanks for the reminder that you all have never set in a college. Yet you all feel qualified to tell those of us who have what college really "does" and what their curriculum supposedly is. Same with all the homeschooled fundie children who act self-righteous about the ebil public schools and how their education was soooo much better and they are better too. Once again, a :hand: for you clueless "women".

They totally missed the whole point and just said, prayer and reading the Bible is all you need and you can have everything you need (tell that to starving Christians in other countries or the Christians who have lost children to horrible diseases and cancer and other illnesses, desperately praying for hope at all only to have the child die, so you all and all those like you who pretend you are some superior person who deserves more from "god" than others who are clearly far more humble than you are-you are just privileged snots).