Lori Alexander's interesting definition of modesty

[2xx1xy1JD]

Lori's extolling the virtues of a group of French anti-feminists:

lorialexander.blogspot.ca/2013/06/standing-against-evil.html

Here's what I find interesting. She asked if we notice how modest and feminine they all look.

Sure, they look feminine, all in white dresses.

Modest? That's a more loaded question. They've got a whole lot of bare shoulders, one has a dress with a plunging neckline, and the ones in front are showing knees, with one dress up to mid-thigh. Religious definitions of modest dress vary widely, but I can think of a number of places where some of those dresses wouldn't be seen as acceptable. Some wouldn't even meet the definition of appropriate work attire, according to the Ontario government (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 55042.html) Now, they look nice and if they want to dress that way, it's their choice....but it's odd to me that Lori insists on praising their "modesty". I'm fairly certain that if you took the same women, put them in the same dresses but dyed them black, and stood them in front of a sign in support of Planned Parenthood, suddenly they would be magically transformed into an immodest bunch of shameless sluts.

So, does a modest woman wear submission and anti-feminism?

ETA: Just to make it perfectly clear: I am not criticizing their clothing, or implying that there is anything wrong with them dressing that way. I'm criticizing Lori for being a hypocrite and deciding that only women who tow the line are "modest", and for shoving modesty as a virtue down everyone's throat while completely ignoring how it's a concept that means very different things to different people.

[Anny Nym]

There´s a not-bs article about les Antigones in english on http://www.businessinsider.com/les-anti ... men-2013-5 (not breaking the link bec it´s a newspaper)

A quick google search confirmed it, they have ties to the far-far-right, the neonazis on that page named like a weather condition (WHICH I WILL LIKELIY NOT CLICK AGAIN OR EVEN RELINK OC) is all crazy about that "ladies"...

Just a dime-for-a-dozen sick bunch of neonazis who trying to sugarcoat themselves, nothing new I´d say... and once again confirms, that Lori as a fuckin´MONSTER!

[GeoBQn]

Why did Lori write Ukrainian in quotes?

[GeoBQn]

She got the quotes from this site:

mangans.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-french-womens-traditionalist-group.html

She altered the quote she posted from this:

These young, and maybe one or two not so young, women belong to a group called Les Antigones, which seems to have been formed expressly to oppose Femen, the "Ukrainian" feminist group that protests topless. A more stark contrast to Femen could hardly be imagined. Not to mention that a more stark contrast to today's overweight, entitled, feminist, American women would be hard to imagine. (Note: if you're an American woman who is not overweight, entitled, or feminist, no need to take offense. Otherwise, please do.)

[Hane]

She got the quotes from this site:

mangans.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-french-womens-traditionalist-group.html

She altered the quote she posted from this:

Yeah,THIS overweight feminist DOES take offense, you copulating genital. But at least I don't beat or force-feed children, or instruct my daughter to submit to marital rape.

[Sumeri]

Some wtf from the comments (Mangan's, not Lori's):

"When women embrace and glorify their femininity, the world is a much better place. And a much thinner place. Vive le France!"

"The French aren't making enough babies and I would be willing to impregnate a probably at least half of that room. Especially the front row: 1,2 & 5... délicieux! "

:(

[2xx1xy1JD]

Wow, she's going deep down the crazy right/MRA/neo-Nazi rabbit hole, isn't she?

[AnywhereButHere]

Yeah, some of those dresses are pretty short/low-cut. I thought Lori didn't approve of those things. Many are also sleeveless. Isn't the sight of shoulders against the rules too?

Either she didn't do any research on the neo-nazi connection, or she doesn't care about it. Both make her an idiot, and the latter makes her a disgusting idiot.

[lilwriter85]

Yeah, some of those dresses are pretty short/low-cut. I thought Lori didn't approve of those things. Many are also sleeveless. Isn't the sight of shoulders against the rules too?

Either she didn't do any research on the neo-nazi connection, or she doesn't care about it. Both make her an idiot, and the latter makes her a disgusting idiot.

I don't think Lori is against sleeveless shirts or dresses. She has posted pictures of her daughters and daughter in law wearing things like tube tobs, spaghetti strap shirts, and off the shoulder tops before.

[Jinger Jar]

Lori Logic: Neo-Nazis are godly so long as they dress real nice.

:cray-cray: :cray-cray: :cray-cray: :cray-cray: :cray-cray: :cray-cray: :cray-cray: :cray-cray:

[AnywhereButHere]

I don't think Lori is against sleeveless shirts or dresses. She has posted pictures of her daughters and daughter in law wearing things like tube tobs, spaghetti strap shirts, and off the shoulder tops before.

And that would be me not doing my homework... Thanks! :D

[GeoBQn]

She posted my comment about searching for the article she quoted and finding a link to the Site That Shall Not Be Named (not under my real name), but she hasn't responded yet.

[kpmom]

Isn't this the second post where she praises the French? I always thought the French culture was much less prudish and more secular than American culture. Plus didn't France just legalize gay marriage?

[docmom]

Isn't this the second post where she praises the French? I always thought the French culture was much less prudish and more secular than American culture. Plus didn't France just legalize gay marriage?

It's not the "regular" French she likes, it's the neo-Nazi French. Remember the Nazis had quite a firm stance against Communism (after their pact with the Soviet Union ended anyway). Lori really doesn't like Communism.

[snuggles911]

She got the link from Sunshine Mary who posted it recently on her Hump Day Reading List that she posts every week. I guess she's running out of new ideas.

[snuggles911]

Isn't this the second post where she praises the French? I always thought the French culture was much less prudish and more secular than American culture. Plus didn't France just legalize gay marriage?

Yes. Yes. Yes. It's surprising her and Sunshine are promoting this group given their anti-socialism rants.

[patsymae]

Isn't this the second post where she praises the French? I always thought the French culture was much less prudish and more secular than American culture. Plus didn't France just legalize gay marriage?

France is a determinedly secular society; for example, it doesn't recognize religious marriages--all legal marriages must be civil (people can have religious ceremonies also, if they want). France famously bans religious symbols and clothing in public schools. At former president Mitterand's funeral, both his wife and her children and his mistress and her children (by him) were present, and no major scandal erupted.

Lori I think surfs the net for some bullet points and then adopts them with no understanding (like not knowing what a neo-Nazi organization is). If I remember correctly, her blog was the one that went on about admiring Jackie Kennedy (Lori found the quote about not failing with your children) and then Sophia Loren as great examples of her ideal of motherhood. I think they were probably great mothers. They were also very glamorous women who were successful in high profile professions and who utilized nannies, sent their children to boarding schools, and had long-standing, live-in relationships with men who were legally married to other women.

Lori pulls her "information" out of her ass.

[jaelh]

Why did Lori write Ukrainian in quotes?

I think it's because of the perception it's not "Ukrainian", it's "Corrupt western".

'traditional' Ukrainian would likely be right up Lori's ally.

But she's got no beef with the eastern europeans, as far as I can see. I bet she has pity for them, at most.

It's the Bad Western Feminist that's out polluting the world that she's concerned with.

[lilith]

I don't think Lori is against sleeveless shirts or dresses. She has posted pictures of her daughters and daughter in law wearing things like tube tobs, spaghetti strap shirts, and off the shoulder tops before.

Yeah, Lori is fundie lite in a lot of ways, in pretty much everything but female submission and childbeating in fact.

It's interesting that she's drawing closer to Sunshine Mary and MRA bloggers. It doesn't fit with the demure church lady mentor image she has going at all, but I suspect that she's found an ideology there that more closely matches her dynamic with Ken than traditional Christianity does.

It's kind of sad seeing her trying to fit in with Sunshine and co, who she obviously views as the cool edgy crowd.

[NurseNell]

The dresses don't strike me as examples of modest dress. Some look like slips, a trend I've seen locally. If they were going to church in Mexico they'd have to cover their shoulders or they wouldn't be allowed in.

[JMarie]

I have a hard time believing the modern and on-trend dressed young women are submissive babymakers.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

She is ok with dressing that way because that's how her daughters dress, just like she is ok with dating because they date. I am sure she wishes they did courtships and dressed differently, but since they don't, she modifies her views so she doesn't look stupid.

[Koala]

she modifies her views so she doesn't look stupid.

Too late for that.

Ken just can't take a picture without looking like a complete psychopath can he? :?

[snuggles911]

Some of these Christian blogger women are anything but modest. They lay it all out on the table, like those two chicks from the Traditional Christianity blog. They constantly have sex talk banter back and forth with each other, but it's so funny that I kinda like it.

On the other hand, you have bloggers like Sunshine Mary who are just crazy exhibitionists. Here's some of what she posted today:

She posted a photo of a near-naked fat lady at a "slut walk parade" with the following quip:

In case anyone was considering eating her, remember that she is not a sandwich.

Frank, a 30-something virgin replied:

I wouldn’t taste that with barbecue sauce and a chocolate shake. That’s strictly dollar menu.

To which Sunshine responded:

I'm going to restrain myself here...I'm not going to ask if you'd taste it with tartar sauce...because I'm a nice Christian woman...oops. Too late.

All I can say is EWWWW. What does her husband, Holy Hand Grenade, think of his wife's sexy talk?

She also offered this advice regarding a middle-aged, middle-level manager who has no sex appeal:

He needs to get a hobby and some exercise and get off the anti-depressants. And he’s not having sex with his wife enough. Three times a month won’t do it for most women. He should try five times instead, but ten would be better. She’ll be in the mood for it way more often if she’s getting testosterone from exposure to his semen. They can’t be using barrier contraception though, or withdrawl, and she needs to get off HBC. If they must contracept, they should use NFP.

Can anyone say "Batshit crazy?"

[snarkykitty]

When I first read the post, I was confused by the phrase that they "protest topless". I wasn't sure if she meant that they protest while topless, or they protest being topless in public (as at a beach?).