On the road again..... (Maxwells)

[Justme]

Have you noticed, they rarely stay with the same family twice. The only family that comes to mind is John Marie's. It makes me wonder how many families are "sucked in", then leave after a few months/years realizing how unrealistic the Maxwell family teaching/belief's are...

[ILoveJellybeans]

Seriously. Except for the ages of the kids in the photos, would you even be able to tell any of the posts or photos apart? Same story, same people, same poses, same everything. You could write a bot to blog for them. Maybe they do have a bot running their blog.

Someone upthread wondered what would happen if they collected and sorted all their photos, just how many you will have of "girl posing with a smile over the sink making smoothies" or similar categories. All the Same, All the Time.

They do have a bot running their blog.

They crushed Sarah's spirits so much she might as well be one.

[amyand4]

I went to see the Maxwells tonight in NH. Not impressed or amused. Steve apparently was talking about fathers starting businesses for there families. He was talking to most of the fathers in the room. I ofcourse didn't bring my husband or brood of children as everyone else did. Steve asked me my name and if my husband had his own business, I told him I worked part time as an RN and my husband worked worked fulltime at the hospital while I homeschooled the children. That is all he needed to hear from me. He ended my conversation with an okay. I might as well been the devil himself. He also made little remarks about parents not wanting to do what's best for their kids and making excuses. He eeally thinks his way is the only way. I know you guys that have been reading about or have seen him before this is not new news for you but for me to see it up close and personal, Wow....The kids are better looking in person though.

[Miggy]

Wow....The kids are better looking in person though.

Are you seriously telling us that despite the billions of photos they take, we still haven't seen what the offspring really look like?

[lilwriter85]

Are you seriously telling us that despite the billions of photos they take, we still haven't seen what the offspring really look like?

treemom, and two former FJers said similar things last year about the kids (mainly Anna) looking better in person.

[Jana814]

I get Steve wanting the men he "preaches" to start their own businesses. I am sure he does a Q & A after. What if someone says "I have a child w/ a chronic illness & the job they have provides much need health coverage would he tell said father to start his own business anyway even if it would put a strain on the family.

[lizziesmom]

Not everyone is cut out to run his own business. I guess Steve just doesn't understand that we all aren't cut from the same cloth.

[Jana814]

Not everyone is cut out to run his own business. I guess Steve just doesn't understand that we all aren't cut from the same cloth.

Agree! He also probably thinks that because he can do it everyone can. It's hard to start a new business.

[Patsy]

Not everyone is cut out to run his own business. I guess Steve just doesn't understand that we all aren't cut from the same cloth.

And that the economy, you know... doesn't work that way.

[Miggy]

And that the economy, you know... doesn't work that way.

My husband is a chemist who works at a university. Should he build his own lab in the garage to do his research? He also teaches chem to pharmacy, dental & med students. I wonder if Stevo could explain how to do this in a home business?

[Peppercorn]

In other news, something about Joseph's countenance screams "smug arrogance" to me.

I've always thought that too. I was not surprised when the FJ group who infiltrated the conference reported him smirking at them.

On the other hand, I'm not a natural smiler, so people sometimes think I'm stuck-up or mad when I'm not. "Don't blame me. It's my face's fault."

Something I've been wondering: who is John Marie, and why does he have a girl's name?

[Peppercorn]

My husband is a chemist who works at a university. Should he build his own lab in the garage to do his research? He also teaches chem to pharmacy, dental & med students. I wonder if Stevo could explain how to do this in a home business?

On the internet, of course. No females allowed. And preferably no human interaction either.

Yeah, I wonder how Steve justifies self-employment when that means you can't afford medical insurance or health care. Not to mention how risky life is without a steady paycheck. Being self-employed myself, I often wish I'd been working for "The Man" all these years. I'd be much better off.

"The Man Upstairs" ain't paying for pension plans or doctors.

[Miggy]

On the internet, of course. No females allowed. And preferably no human interaction either.

Yeah, I wonder how Steve justifies self-employment when that means you can't afford medical insurance or health care. Not to mention how risky life is without a steady paycheck. Being self-employed myself, I often wish I'd been working for "The Man" all these years. I'd be much better off.

"The Man Upstairs" ain't paying for pension plans or doctors.

Of course, the Internet, I should have realised. That is my fragile little female brain at work isn't it.

I will add that I am having surgery on my knee soon and I'm glad I'm going to a public run hospital with a team of expert doctors and nurses instead of a family run business with daddy as the doctor, son as anaesthetist and daughters as nurses. Scary.

[Triplet3]

I went to see the Maxwells tonight in NH. Not impressed or amused. Steve apparently was talking about fathers starting businesses for there families. He was talking to most of the fathers in the room. I ofcourse didn't bring my husband or brood of children as everyone else did. Steve asked me my name and if my husband had his own business, I told him I worked part time as an RN and my husband worked worked fulltime at the hospital while I homeschooled the children. That is all he needed to hear from me. He ended my conversation with an okay. I might as well been the devil himself. He also made little remarks about parents not wanting to do what's best for their kids and making excuses. He eeally thinks his way is the only way. I know you guys that have been reading about or have seen him before this is not new news for you but for me to see it up close and personal, Wow....The kids are better looking in person though.

Thank you for taking one for the team, amyand4. Wow, Steve is so arrogant!!

[lilith]

I've always thought that too. I was not surprised when the FJ group who infiltrated the conference reported him smirking at them.

On the other hand, I'm not a natural smiler, so people sometimes think I'm stuck-up or mad when I'm not. "Don't blame me. It's my face's fault."

Something I've been wondering: who is John Marie, and why does he have a girl's name?

When Christopher Maxwell married Anna, Sarah blogged that as there was already an Anna Maxwell, Christopher's wife would henceforth be known as Anna Marie, Marie being her middle name. As the Maxwells like to fondly refer to their youngest five kids as their "reversal children", born after Steve's vasectomy reversal, we here at FJ refer to Anna Marie as NR (non reversal) Anna.

John Marie is a youngish man who visits with the Maxwells and makes occasional appearances on their blog. It has long been speculated that he may be a potential suitor for Reversal Anna. As the Maxwells already have a John this other young man must, in the opinion of FJ, be christened John Marie.

Does that make sense?

[Justme]

Stevie would tell him to quit and start his own 1tonRamp Chemistry business. He could teach Chemistry to homeschoolers. But only the boys, no defrauding the girls.

[uber frau]

On the internet, of course. No females allowed. And preferably no human interaction either.

Yeah, I wonder how Steve justifies self-employment when that means you can't afford medical insurance or health care. Not to mention how risky life is without a steady paycheck. Being self-employed myself, I often wish I'd been working for "The Man" all these years. I'd be much better off.

"The Man Upstairs" ain't paying for pension plans or doctors.

Well firstly, you're displaying a huge lack of trust. God will provide-he provides parking spots and cheap dinner rolls to his favourites all the time. Just last week he provided Poor Sarah with some photo opportunities, the exact thing her illustrator needed to copy for the next Moody book. Such a blessing.

Secondly, if God doesn't provide scamaritan ministries might.

[amyand4]

They talked a long time about this "health insurance" Good Samaratans and another Christian Company that share holders share your medical expenses. The advocated use of these services. The did put down people without any health coverage. Basically its their way or the highway I guess... :penguin-no:

[Jana814]

The did put down people without any health coverage. Basically its their way or the highway I guess... :penguin-no:

How horrible!! They r worse then I thought, I can't/can believe he said that.

[twin2]

I went to see the Maxwells tonight in NH. Not impressed or amused. Steve apparently was talking about fathers starting businesses for there families. He was talking to most of the fathers in the room. I ofcourse didn't bring my husband or brood of children as everyone else did. Steve asked me my name and if my husband had his own business, I told him I worked part time as an RN and my husband worked worked fulltime at the hospital while I homeschooled the children. That is all he needed to hear from me. He ended my conversation with an okay. I might as well been the devil himself. He also made little remarks about parents not wanting to do what's best for their kids and making excuses. He eeally thinks his way is the only way. I know you guys that have been reading about or have seen him before this is not new news for you but for me to see it up close and personal, Wow....The kids are better looking in person though.

Steve should realize that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Sarah is 31 and still lives like a child, following the schedule her parents set up for her, following their rules, living the life they have chosen to live. At that age, she should be out in the world, following her own schedule, living on by her wants and needs, living the life she chooses to live for herself. Unfortunatly, even if she wanted to do this, she wouldn't be able to. Her parents have crippled her ability to be her own person and take care of herself. She has a sub-par education, no skills, and a fear of everything and everyone outside of 123 Maxhell lane. This is exactly what Steve has set out to do so he can be the center of his own universe. Steve has not done anything in the best interest of his children, he has done what is in the best interest of Steve. He has to be the most selfish person every to walk the face of the Earth.

[lizziesmom]

They talked a long time about this "health insurance" Good Samaratans and another Christian Company that share holders share your medical expenses. The advocated use of these services.

How exactly is this different from ebil socialism that they rail against? :wink-penguin:

Sounds like medicare to me, just administered by a 'Christian' group of bureaucrats. How much kickback to you think the Maxwells get for promoting them?

[uber frau]

You're expecting him to have some sort of normal, healthy aim to his parenting. For most ppl, even many fundies, the goal of parenting is to produce adults who can support themselves and contribute to the wider community. I'm pretty sure that Steve wIII acknowlege his only aim is to keep his children far away from the gates of hell. He doesn't care how much he has to break them to do it, he doesn't even seem to understand that there's no point in being a Free Will Baptist (his preferred denomination of teh crazy-and everyone else is doing it wrong) if you've never been given the opportunity to make a choice, he just wants to keep them from falling away. He's obsessed with death and he's terrified his children will fall into the clutches of the devil. The fact that Poor Sarah is unmarried isn't a failure, it's a success. Better she's still single than married to someone who might possibly be the exact same flavour of Christian. And better that Joseph had a failed courtship than he was married to a woman who would tempt him away from Bible Study with things that might be the slightest bit fun.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

How exactly is this different from ebil socialism that they rail against? :wink-penguin:

Sounds like medicare to me, just administered by a 'Christian' group of bureaucrats. How much kickback to you think the Maxwells get for promoting them?

The difference (from what I can from reading some articles on it, I'm not a member) is that the payments are essentially crowd-sourced.

You send in your "need" to Scamaritan. They review it, and if it meets their criteria (part of which means, you didn't bring your issues on yourself via sinful behavior) then they publish your issue in a list of issues that all the members get. The members then send payments, up to their monthly "bill" worth, to whatever needs they choose to send. (Payments are directly to the families. So if you're receiving, you get tons of little personal checks - you pay the hospital in cash as if you have no insurance. These plans aren't accepted as real insurance by the hospitals or clinics.)

This way, the central office never holds the money, and there's choice over who you fund. So it's not forcing you to subsidize people who sin or get slothful and don't take proper care of their diabetes[1]. Members do pay a separate membership fee to Samaritan but that's separate from any concept of "premiums" so it's not really insurance.

In fact, there is no guarantee that you will receive money through the system at all. The members rely on "faith" that God will lay their issues on the hearts of the other members.

Honestly it seems more like an organized version of people putting "donate!" buttons on their Tumblr blogs than it does real insurance, but for the members apparently that's part of the attraction.

[1] That's right. You're too lazy to keep up with your chronic illnesses? You don't deserve help. What? No, that's not MY opinion - it's Nathan's, as you can read here in this article explaining about the system: www.khi.org/news/2011/may/23/faith-based-sharing-plans-help-many-kansans-cover/

"Somebody that would, you know, not be managing their diabetes correctly and being hospitalized over and over,†he said. “ I don't want my money to help fund that. That can sound selfish, but I didn't like the idea of enabling people that way. I'm a big fan of personal responsibility."

[kpmom]

You send in your "need" to Scamaritan. They review it, and if it meets their criteria (part of which means, you didn't bring your issues on yourself via sinful behavior) then they publish your issue in a list of issues that all the members get. The members then send payments, up to their monthly "bill" worth, to whatever needs they choose to send. (Payments are directly to the families. So if you're receiving, you get tons of little personal checks - you pay the hospital in cash as if you have no insurance. These plans aren't accepted as real insurance by the hospitals or clinics.)

This way, the central office never holds the money, and there's choice over who you fund. So it's not forcing you to subsidize people who sin or get slothful and don't take proper care of their diabetes[1]. Members do pay a separate membership fee to Samaritan but that's separate from any concept of "premiums" so it's not really insurance.

In fact, there is no guarantee that you will receive money through the system at all. The members rely on "faith" that God will lay their issues on the hearts of the other members.

Honestly it seems more like an organized version of people putting "donate!" buttons on their Tumblr blogs than it does real insurance, but for the members apparently that's part of the attraction.

[1] That's right. You're too lazy to keep up with your chronic illnesses? You don't deserve help. What? No, that's not MY opinion - it's Nathan's, as you can read here in this article explaining about the system: http://www.khi.org/news/2011/may/23/fai ... ans-cover/

Oh Nathan, what a compassionate Christian you are. The apple sure didn't fall far from the tree, did it?

It boggles my mind how much hospital and specialist bills Nathan and Melanie must have racked up with her high risk pregnancies. Did they really get tens of thousands of dollars paid by members? And since they now know Melanie's pregnancies all appear to be high risk, aren't the Samaritan members enabling the Maxwells?

[deborahlynn1979]

It occurred to me the other day that the only truly appropriate spouse for Sarah is one of her brothers. After all, who else in the world has been sheltered as equally and who else in the world would be "good enough" for Steve's daughter? Ick.