Littlest Pecan Thief: Priscilla & David Waller's Baby

[Dandruff]

Aren't fundies big on SOTDRT because of superior education? Or is it simply that they shelter?

I've known very few fundies, but I remember asking one I met many years ago (I have no idea if she's representative) why she didn't send her children to public school or a Christian school. She had been complaining about how little time she had to get things done so I thought it was a reasonable question. She said the Bible tells parents to train up their children so it's their responsibility to do so. I said that parents can train up their children however they want but what's wrong with sending them to school to learn English, Math, etc? She got very huffy and said "I don't want anyone else raising MY children!" and also made some comment about bad influences at school. I didn't get how sending children to school was letting someone else raise them, and tried to clear that up, but we ended up going in circles.

[miffy]

I've known very few fundies, but I remember asking one I met many years ago (I have no idea if she's representative) why she didn't send her children to public school or a Christian school. She had been complaining about how little time she had to get things done so I thought it was a reasonable question. She said the Bible tells parents to train up their children so it's their responsibility to do so. I said that parents can train up their children however they want but what's wrong with sending them to school to learn English, Math, etc? She got very huffy and said "I don't want anyone else raising MY children!" and also made some comment about bad influences at school. I didn't get how sending children to school was letting someone else raise them, and tried to clear that up, but we ended up going in circles.

Teachers really, really like it when parents don't expect them to raise their children. They are there to teach them useful things for 6 hours a day, not raise them.

[johnhugh]

I get the feeling this kid is gonna get a real Bible-thumping name with a weird twist. Sheepy or Shephard or Fishes N. Loaves...

Grape Juice?

[Sola]

Thank you! Yes, those are exactly the movies I was referencing. I still have nightmares about those movies. I can't imagine allowing my children to watch them. Horrific.

Yes that was the movie. I remember being excited about watching a movie at church and by the end of it i was terrified. I was crying and the visiting pastor came up to me and my friend and told us that it would happen if we weren't saved. Of course after that we wanted to be saved and he prayed with us. Nothing like terrifying kids into accepting Jesus.

[Destiny]

Thank you! Yes, those are exactly the movies I was referencing. I still have nightmares about those movies. I can't imagine allowing my children to watch them. Horrific.

Those movies. THOSE FUCKING MOVIES! HATE!

You are not alone. I was forced to watch them when I was like 8. I've never forgotten the child left alone without their parent. No child of mine would ever watch that crap.

[MandyLaLa]

So I'm late, but where does the whole pecan thief name come from?

[Guest Anonymous]

So I'm late, but where does the whole pecan thief name come from?

You need to read the first thread, several pages in, where we discuss Davilla's adventures in Georgia, where they received a police warning for 'gleaning' a large sack of pecans from a farm they stopped by on the way home from a church conference.

Although I think the thread title is clever, I'm actually not keen on labelling baby Davilla with the sins of his father. Poor sod will have enough to go through in life, without being given a mean label before he is born. Also, I totally believed they were planning baby #2 when I saw the new thread, and went dashing over to DavidlovesPriscilla.com to feast my eyes on the horror of the latest installment. :mrgreen:

[patsymae]

That video is really scary. It would be bad enough if she were doing a talk for preschoolers, but that she considered this adult discourse!

I feel so, so bad for her--because I do think she is borderline developmentally disabled--and especially for the baby. In a normal world she would have a caseworker to help her take care of the child.

[JenniferJuniper]

You need to read the first thread, several pages in, where we discuss Davilla's adventures in Georgia, where they received a police warning for 'gleaning' a large sack of pecans from a farm they stopped by on the way home from a church conference.

Although I think the thread title is clever, I'm actually not keen on labelling baby Davilla with the sins of his father. Poor sod will have enough to go through in life, without being given a mean label before he is born. Also, I totally believed they were planning baby #2 when I saw the new thread, and went dashing over to DavidlovesPriscilla.com to feast my eyes on the horror of the latest installment. :mrgreen:

Since fetuses are apparently capable of sinning as well as learning Bible verses, I think he has some degree of culpability for the unfortunate events surrounding the pecan heist. Jesus might consider his failure to kick out a warning to his mother a sin of omission. He heard what was going on, and as far as we know, made no effort to stop it.

[Ellimenopy]

Those movies. THOSE FUCKING MOVIES! HATE!

You are not alone. I was forced to watch them when I was like 8. I've never forgotten the child left alone without their parent. No child of mine would ever watch that crap.

Oh God. Those were awful! The guillotine scenes? At least I was a (young) teenager when I was forced to sit through them. I can't imagine watching them at 8.

Although, now that I think about it, although I really did believe the theology at the time, I remember thinking they were a bit of fear porn even then. I remember mentally mocking my friend for being saved because of those movies. I thought she was a bit of a wuss.

Now I kind of want to rewatch them. I wish I knew/ lived close to some of you in IRL. I bet that would be an interesting movie marathon.

[laura oz]

Yes that was the movie. I remember being excited about watching a movie at church and by the end of it i was terrified. I was crying and the visiting pastor came up to me and my friend and told us that it would happen if we weren't saved. Of course after that we wanted to be saved and he prayed with us. Nothing like terrifying kids into accepting Jesus.

:angry-banghead: You have got to be kidding me. I thought I went to a shock and awe, hellfire and brimstone church growing up, but even they didn't do that to us. We watched some movie about the rapture at a lock in, but it was pretty tame and age appropriate. The only things I really remember about it were the bad 70's hair and clothes and the theme song about wishing we'd all been ready.

ETA HOLY HELL, I just watched the youtube and that is what we fucking watched! I guess it must have not made much of an impression on me cause I was doing my best to flirt without being noticed. The adults would look at me with worry if I was noticed cause I guess they thought that meant I was fast. I sometimes have that GD song in my head to this day! Guess my church was just as fucked up as yall's :lol:

[nelliebelle1197]

When my best friend went fundie, she and her husband were so sure the rapture was imminent and it was going happen before Apr. 15 that her husband quit having taxes withheld from his paycheck. When the Rapture didn't happen, they spent their kids' college funds to pay taxes because the kids weren't going to need that money anyway, what with the Rapture happening before they would ever get to college. :roll: The next year they did the same thing (no taxes withheld) and had to take out a loan to pay their taxes. The third year they went back to withholding.

Is she still your best friend or have you been cast aside?

[Joan of Snarc]

I still consider her my best friend. I had to "take a break" when she was seeing demons around every corner, though. She hit rock bottom with fundie- and Faux Jew-ness and made a real mess of her life but she's largely left the fundie behind (still Faux Jew, though) and is returning to a sort of normal.

She's happier and more normal than she's been in a long time, so I'm happy for her. She made a mess of homeschooling (among other things) and her poor kids are suffering trying to catch up now that some of them are enrolled in public school.

[nelliebelle1197]

Good for you for sticking it out!

[fundiemental]

Clearly i have no life. Last night i did a Google Image search of the entire davidlovespriscilla website (go to images.google.com and type "site:davidlovespriscilla.com" in the search box) and it turned up some images i hadn't seen. It's a good way to see all of them without bothering with the awkward website picture-viewing interface (it's a real bitch to use on a smart phone). Plenty more awkward kissing photos.

[punkiepie]

Clearly i have no life. Last night i did a Google Image search of the entire davidlovespriscilla website (go to images.google.com and type "site:davidlovespriscilla.com" in the search box) and it turned up some images i hadn't seen. It's a good way to see all of them without bothering with the awkward website picture-viewing interface (it's a real bitch to use on a smart phone). Plenty more awkward kissing photos.

Clearly I have no life either because I Went through all those pictures trying to figure out what their kissing problem is :) I know that no one is a great kisser when they first start out, but even bad kissers can be trained by a good kisser without the other one realizing it. And usually, once you've been making out with the same person for awhile, you learn a few things and it becomes more natural, less I-wonder-how-much-tongue-they-like. But OMG, those two kissing makes you want to cross your legs and shudder at the thought! They are around a gazillions other Fundie couples who love PDA, so how have they not figured out how to kiss yet?

Trough my super scientific method of their defective kiss analysis, I see two real issues that are present in all their photos: 1- Prissy puckers way too much, nothing is getting past her lips, and 2- David literally puts his whole mouth on top of hers.

I wonder if they know it can be so much better? Aren't there a ton of Christian sex books that teach you this kinda stuff?

[Buzzard]

Sucking face with an open bible on your lap is just squicky... taking pictures of it and posting it on teh internet is just fucked up!

[fundiemental]

I think a large part of their kissing problem is that it's strictly for show. To prove how much these two best friends love each other.

Totally natural-looking, yes?

[merrily]

What's squicky is that they look like brother/sister. Not husband/wife.

[nokidsmom]

Since fetuses are apparently capable of sinning as well as learning Bible verses, I think he has some degree of culpability for the unfortunate events surrounding the pecan heist. Jesus might consider his failure to kick out a warning to his mother a sin of omission. He heard what was going on, and as far as we know, made no effort to stop it.

Well, as we all know David is planning to tell his not-yet-born son the pecan heist story as a lesson. Since fetuses can sin while in utero, wonder if the telling will include the three of them instead of two.

Thinking that a baby can sin before birth is all kinds of messed up.

[salex]

What's squicky is that they look like brother/sister. Not husband/wife.

I think it may be a Waller family tradition

I thnk his brother and his brother's wife look very similar as well.

joyfullservice.com/

And they use the tie matching the wife's outfit as well!

[pudding]

Doesn't in-womb-sinning imply, that if you miscarry, the child is going straight to hell since he/she had no time to be saved?

I just visited joyfullservice dot com and thought the same thing! Can't imagine Adam & Valerie doing anything else than homework together...

[BoomerLynn]

:angry-banghead: You have got to be kidding me. I thought I went to a shock and awe, hellfire and brimstone church growing up, but even they didn't do that to us. We watched some movie about the rapture at a lock in, but it was pretty tame and age appropriate. The only things I really remember about it were the bad 70's hair and clothes and the theme song about wishing we'd all been ready.

ETA HOLY HELL, I just watched the youtube and that is what we fucking watched! I guess it must have not made much of an impression on me cause I was doing my best to flirt without being noticed. The adults would look at me with worry if I was noticed cause I guess they thought that meant I was fast. I sometimes have that GD song in my head to this day! Guess my church was just as fucked up as yall's :lol:

Omg I just watched these on youtube and just, wow. I cannot believe someone would show that to a child, especially the Image of the Beast one. That's like saying "Here kids, get saved so you get taken in the Rapture, otherwise you may have your head chopped off!" Because nothing shows Christ's love quite like terrifying young children.

[snickerz]

Presumably, it was something like this that drove J'chelle Duggar to fundie-ism.

[BirthingGodsWarriors]

:roll: Long time lurker but first time posting. It seriously took me quite awhile to get to the end of this thread just to post haha. I grew up in a rigid Pentecostal home I'm talking no jewelry except the wedding ring and a watch, women could not wear pants (although there was an unspoken rule allowing little girls leggings or even rarely pants until the age of 5). my pastor loved to joke "and men cant wear dresses either, see we're about equality here." then hed wink and laugh and say, but its not like men would want to wear dresses. I remember being so confused all of the time cause this was San Francisco where there are ALWAYS men flaunting their luscious legs for all to see.

We also had the women can't cut their hair rule (& men can't grow theirs long haha. STUPID!!111 eleventy!!) I remember struggling with this for a few years as a teen because my hair was really short and grew REALLY slowly. I was always getting admonished by other members of the church because they thought I was cuttin my hair. I even was sent to talk to the pastor (terrifying) about he, he just told me to pray that gods will be done and my hair would grow if it were gods will. Crazy right?

Anyway back to the topic.... I really feel for David because if he is gay, acceptance from his people is a long time coming. My friend once pointed out a man to me in church and said, "that's so and so he used to be gay and have AIDS but then he got saved and god cured him and now he's married with two kids and one on the way. Praise Him." I was like, nevermind about trying to explain the difference between HIV and AIDS, but WTF?!? :shock: