Littlest Pecan Thief: Priscilla & David Waller's Baby

[Tangy Bee]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before but whenever I see David Waller all that I can think of is Silas from the Da Vinci Code.

;) True that! Hope he washed those feet b4 bed. Do they live with his parents or have their own place?

[DefraudedByPlaid]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before but whenever I see David Waller all that I can think of is Silas from the Da Vinci Code.

I see Benjamin from the current season (11) of Project Runway. And Benjamin is from Australia ;-)

[PurpleSheepleEater]

Davey rockin' the classic teen-girl-on-the-phone pose.

This photo literally made me gasp. Oh David.......... Poor Prissy.

[Flossie]

A poster on DWOP recently said: "...it's probably no secret that David has a history of looking at and struggling with gay porn online."

I thought that people were discussing David's possible homosexuality because of his actions and his obvious initial reluctance to marry as evidenced by his own words on his blog. When and where was a history of looking at and struggling with gay online porn discussed?

[bluelady]

A poster on DWOP recently said: "...it's probably no secret that David has a history of looking at and struggling with gay porn online."

I thought that people were discussing David's possible homosexuality because of his actions and his obvious initial reluctance to marry as evidenced by his own words on his blog. When and where was a history of looking at and struggling with gay online porn discussed?

It would explain Pa Keller's insistence that Priscilla have control over the family's internet use.

[Sola]

He approved my comment!

" Sola Aww he’s gorgeous, what a sweet little pecan! That feeling of being a new parent, I’ll bet you’re feeling just fabulous! Look after Pris while she recovers, I’ll bet she’s worn out. I had a big baby too with my first so –ouch!

I little word of advice; I think I saw Babywise in one of the photos. Don’t get too fixed on that. Little Paul needs to feed on demand to get Priscilla’s supply up. Some families have found Ezzo techniques impact milk supply and babies have had failure to thrive as a result.

Anyway, congratulations! Looking forward to more fabulous photos."

Lol!

[So Says I]

That is just beautiful! I love how you managed to work in "pecan" and "fabulous" and also warned about the Ezzo book. Bravo! :clap:

[Miggy]

It would explain Pa Keller's insistence that Priscilla have control over the family's internet use.

I REALLY hope this is just internet rumour gone wild. David may be feminine and he may have admitted that he didn't want to get married but I still held out hope that was all it was. I would never wish homosexuality on someone raised in this lifestyle. It can be difficult enough to deal with when you have accepting and supportive family and friends. I am still angry at his parents for pushing him into marriage when he didn't seem overly interested.

[nokidsmom]

I REALLY hope this is just internet rumour gone wild. David may be feminine and he may have admitted that he didn't want to get married but I still held out hope that was all it was. I would never wish homosexuality on someone raised in this lifestyle. It can be difficult enough to deal with when you have accepting and supportive family and friends. I am still angry at his parents for pushing him into marriage when he didn't seem overly interested.

Bolding mine. That's the part that really got me when I read his "story". He clearly wasn't interested in marriage and, in spite of all the wearisome fundie-speak he used, I will actually give him credit to recognize that. Regardless of what his orientation is, it struck me as plain wrong for his folks to push him in marriage and it's clear that they were doing just that. It's unfortunate that even at 25, he is raised to think he can't stand up for that in the face of parental pressure.

[EmmieJ]

Assuming you're referring to Elimination Communication, it's not for me. I may be a stay-at-home-mom, but I do not have the time or the patience to run my baby to the bathroom every 15-20 minutes and plop them on the toilet in hopes that they'll do something. That being said, my daughter was checked periodically for dirty diapers (before feedings while she was nursing and spaced out further when she moved on to solids and wasn't going as frequently). I never let her sit around in a soiled diaper.

If someone is dedicated to EC, more power to them. I prefer to maintain my sanity. I okay with waiting until the kid is old enough to communicate and is ready for potty training.

To each their own, but I subscribe to the belief that each child is individual, and that not all are ready for potty-training prior to age 2, especially boys. Some necessary physical development occurs at varying times for all children, and from what I understand - one of those developments is the feeling of "having to go." If you don't know your bladder is full and that you are about to urinate, then how can you get yourself to the bathroom in time? Same with bowel functions.

Took my son until shortly after turning 3 to be out of diapers and wearing big boy underpants. I tried the potty training at several points from age 18 months onward, and he would sit on the toilet, but nothing would occur. So I would back off and try again a few months later. One week-end, he said he didn't want to wear diapers anymore, just underwear. A bit nervously, I let him do so. He had one accident (not even that week-end), and it was a simple as that. So why run yourself (and your kid) ragged plopping them on the toilet numerous times per day, not to mention the pressure of the expectation that they achieve something their bodies may not be ready to achieve?

I think it's the difference in attitude. I fall most definitely on the side of "let nature take its course."

[PurpleSheepleEater]

EC uses the techniques that cultures who don't use diapers use. There's no pressure or failure involved. There is no training but it does require a lot of close contact with the baby and a lot of trusting intuition. Unlike traditional potty training there are no incentives or punishments. It's just learning babies cues and letting them go to the bathroom when they need to without using a diaper. Believe it or not they know when they need to go very young. I used a lot of EC techniques and also used diapers. My kids were diaper free young and without any expectations. It was actually a very natural course.

[meowmeow19]

I would comment on his YT video but sigh I have been blocked from posting on his channel.... I wish it was easier to make another Youtube account.!I was banned after my post saying how I would have to pull the covers close at night because David creeped me out

[Slt]

EC uses the techniques that cultures who don't use diapers use. There's no pressure or failure involved. There is no training but it does require a lot of close contact with the baby and a lot of trusting intuition. Unlike traditional potty training there are no incentives or punishments. It's just learning babies cues and letting them go to the bathroom when they need to without using a diaper. Believe it or not they know when they need to go very young. I used a lot of EC techniques and also used diapers. My kids were diaper free young and without any expectations. It was actually a very natural course.

yes to all of the above!

My 15 month old boy has been using the potty since 8 months- it's more training for the parents to recognize the cues that their baby has before attending to their potty business. IE, when the grunting starts, to the potty we go! It has saved me a ton of cloth diaper laundry and spraying. My son will even go and bang on the bathroom door until I let him in to do his thing. EC is NOT potty training, but it tends to make it easier/quicker to PT when the time comes.

[fundiemental]

I would comment on his YT video but sigh I have been blocked from posting on his channel.... I wish it was easier to make another Youtube account.!I was banned after my post saying how I would have to pull the covers close at night because David creeped me out

Why would you leave a comment like that on his account when you can snark over here?

[bettertomarry]

yes to all of the above!

My 15 month old boy has been using the potty since 8 months- it's more training for the parents to recognize the cues that their baby has before attending to their potty business. IE, when the grunting starts, to the potty we go! It has saved me a ton of cloth diaper laundry and spraying. My son will even go and bang on the bathroom door until I let him in to do his thing. EC is NOT potty training, but it tends to make it easier/quicker to PT when the time comes.

I didn't mean to start a potty-training vs. NIH/EC war!!! I was genuinely curious that since the Pearls do advocate EC (although their version of EC/Natural Infant Hygiene probably involves plumbing line) if Prissy and David would do EC. Although maybe they're more into the Ezzos and not the Pearls.

Also, from my own experience, all parenting decisions depend on the combination of the parents and the infant they get. I've NIH'd children and had a 3-year old still pooping in diapers. It all depends.

[thoughtful]

I was genuinely curious that since the Pearls do advocate EC (although their version of EC/Natural Infant Hygiene probably involves plumbing line) if Prissy and David would do EC.

FTR, the Pearls' version of EC doesn't sound too bad -- it's one of the few non-monstrous things in To Train Up a Child (well, other than the condescending crap about the Maya, and the proud implication that the child does things, like a programmed machine or a soldier, "on command," a term good animal trainers don't even use any more):

NO MORE DIAPERS

On a missionary trip to Central America, we were amazed by the practice of the primitive Maya Indians in not diapering their babies prior to stuffing them into a carrying pouch. The infants are all potty trained.

After experimenting on our own and after further observation, we discovered that an infant is born with an aversion to going in their "nests." The parents "untrain" them by forcing them to become accustomed to going in their pants. It is instinctive in a child to protest a bowel movement. He kicks, stiffens and complains. Being sensitive to the warning signs (after having changed 17,316 diapers with the first three), my wife tried it on our new arrivals.

When she sensed that the child was about to "go," she would go to the toilet and place the bare infant against her bare legs in a spread leg sitting position. At first, a little stream of warm water would provoke the start of an impending "tinkle." As the child began urinating, she would say, "Pee Pee." On other occasions, if she missed the signs and a bowel movement was in progress, she would rush the child to the bathroom to finish on the toilet, while occasionally saying, "Do Do."

Even if the child was through with his elimination, she still set him on the pot in order to reinforce the training. He came to identify the sound with the muscle function. They become so well trained to the voice command that you must be careful not to say the words at the wrong time.

Of course, being the Pearls, they then go on to describe a "method" of getting an older child who still wants to wear diapers to stop, by blasting him with the garden hose. :(

First, I pointed out that the boy's mother, busy with the other children, would, several times a day, pick up this big kid, talk sweet to him, lay him on a bed, take off the dirty diaper, wipe him with a warm rag, rub a little lotion on the chaffed spots and then put a fresh, smooth diaper on him. Dumping in his pants was an opportunity to get his mother's undivided attention. Now, we understand that there is no guilt or blame in this matter, especially on the child's part, but there is something quite inconvenient--except for the kid who loved the experience and must have found it the highlight of his day.

So, my suggestion was that the father explain to the boy that, now that he was a man, he would no longer be washed in the house. He was too big and too stinky to be cleaned by the babywipes. From now on, he would be washed outside with a garden hose. The child was not to be blamed. This was to be understood as just a progressive change in methods.

The next dump, the father took him out and merrily, and might I say, carelessly, washed him off. What with the autumn chill and the cold well water, I don't remember if it took a second washing or not, but, a week later, the father told me his son was now taking himself to the pot.

[laura oz]

God, I just can't stand the Pearls. Really.

[VooDooChild]

First, I pointed out that the boy's mother, busy with the other children, would, several times a day, pick up this big kid, talk sweet to him, lay him on a bed, take off the dirty diaper, wipe him with a warm rag, rub a little lotion on the chaffed spots and then put a fresh, smooth diaper on him. Dumping in his pants was an opportunity to get his mother's undivided attention. Now, we understand that there is no guilt or blame in this matter, especially on the child's part, but there is something quite inconvenient--except for the kid who loved the experience and must have found it the highlight of his day.

So, my suggestion was that the father explain to the boy that, now that he was a man, he would no longer be washed in the house. He was too big and too stinky to be cleaned by the babywipes. From now on, he would be washed outside with a garden hose. The child was not to be blamed. This was to be understood as just a progressive change in methods.

The next dump, the father took him out and merrily, and might I say, carelessly, washed him off. What with the autumn chill and the cold well water, I don't remember if it took a second washing or not, but, a week later, the father told me his son was now taking himself to the pot.

What the actual fuck?! I can't even. These people and their non-thinking followers are loons. Using fear and discomfort to potty train? Yeah, that's fucking charming. :roll:

[thoughtful]

What the actual fuck?! I can't even. These people and their non-thinking followers are loons. Using fear and discomfort to potty train? Yeah, that's fucking charming. :roll:

The Pearls want their followers to use pain to train everything. Read the book, if you haven't already -- hosing down toddlers is the least of it, believe it or not:

quicksilverqueen.com/ttuacbook.html

(site of someone who does not approve of the Pearls, so don't send her hate mail!)

[polabear]

My mom without knowing it, used EC to train my sister and I almost 35 years ago. What's funny is that we both still pee on the schedule she figured out worked for us. I'm still surprised when my husband doesn't go before bed, before leaving the house and after meals.

This is your tmi post of the day. In other news, the pearls suck.

[OkToBeTakei]

My mom without knowing it, used EC to train my sister and I almost 35 years ago. What's funny is that we both still pee on the schedule she figured out worked for us. I'm still surprised when my husband doesn't go before bed, before leaving the house and after meals.

This is your tmi post of the day. In other news, the pearls suck.

Hahaha LOVE it. I think my Mother did the same. I am just always fairly amazed there is a name for things. Elimination Communication? It is like wearing your baby. Something that has been done for years out of necessity or culture, but becomes a 'thing' which makes it appear unnatural or forced if that makes sense? The actual act of doing these natural things with babies becomes mired in 'must do's' and modern names.

I am surprised you never mentioned the before EVER getting in a car, wether you need or not :lol:

[NurseNell]

To each their own, but I subscribe to the belief that each child is individual, and that not all are ready for potty-training prior to age 2, especially boys.

My sons both trained themselves a week or two before they turned two. They wanted big boy underwear, I told them they'd have to use the bathroom like Daddy to have the undies. That was it, they were trained. I did nothing, they were night time trained also. It was the same with their sons also. My daughter was closer to 3. Her first daughter was trained at 18 months, her younger daughter at 2 1/2.

[NurseNell]

My mom without knowing it, used EC to train my sister and I almost 35 years ago. What's funny is that we both still pee on the schedule she figured out worked for us. I'm still surprised when my husband doesn't go before bed, before leaving the house and after meals.

This is your tmi post of the day. In other news, the pearls suck.

My MIL swears she had her son trained by 1. She claims she never changed a messy diaper, she breast fed and had a little chamber pot that fit under his little butt. She was a few fries short of a happy meal so we never challenged her on it. We always thought he was trained, she was. This was at the end of WWII.

[polabear]

Hahaha LOVE it. I think my Mother did the same. I am just always fairly amazed there is a name for things. Elimination Communication? It is like wearing your baby. Something that has been done for years out of necessity or culture, but becomes a 'thing' which makes it appear unnatural or forced if that makes sense? The actual act of doing these natural things with babies becomes mired in 'must do's' and modern names.

I am surprised you never mentioned the before EVER getting in a car, wether you need or not :lol:

Of course. And on every single stop during a road trip. :-)

[Chibi Author]

The Pearls want their followers to use pain to train everything. Read the book, if you haven't already -- hosing down toddlers is the least of it, believe it or not:

quicksilverqueen.com/ttuacbook.html

(site of someone who does not approve of the Pearls, so don't send her hate mail!)

I skimmed a bit of the book, I'm not even trying to actually read it (I'm so glad she has it online, it makes it easier to see the horror without putting money in the Pearl's pockets). In the midst of my disgust, I saw this from the introduction:

Any parent with an emotional maturity level higher than the average thirteen-year-old can, with a proper vision and knowledge of the technique, have happy obedient children.

But... what if the small child's buddy is only thirteen? Are they just screwed?