Littlest Pecan Thief: Priscilla & David Waller's Baby

[chickie]

Btw, Chickie, your profile pic gets me every time. It's so cute!

Thanks! :D

[OkToBeTakei]

What's wrong with infant potty training? My friend used the Elimination Communication (EC) method and both of her kids were potty trained before two-years old. It doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. The less little people sitting around in their own feces and urine the better.

HUH? Why on earth would somebody do that? I give up with humanity.

[chickie]

I think the bolded is a pretty big assumption. LOTS of toddlers have weird obsessions. Freaking out about things being out of their own particular sense of order is very, very common. So is freaking out over stray hairs, or lumpy socks, or not playing the same video for the 4 bazillionth time.

Agreed. My toddler has meltdowns because things don't go the way she wants/expects them to. It can be completely random and unpredictable and has no correlation to something she would have been punished for. She isn't punished when she can't pull up her doll's pants, her legos fall over and break apart, her book won't stay on the shelf she wants it on because it is too full, etc. However, she will have a meltdown over these things.

In the interview during that episode, Anna explained that Mackynzie had a meltdown because she was making a mess and wasn't allowed to at home. I think Anna's assuming that's what went wrong. I don't think Mackynzie had a strong enough grasp of language at the time to express what was upsetting her.

[chickie]

HUH? Why on earth would somebody do that? I give up with humanity.

Assuming you're referring to Elimination Communication, it's not for me. I may be a stay-at-home-mom, but I do not have the time or the patience to run my baby to the bathroom every 15-20 minutes and plop them on the toilet in hopes that they'll do something. That being said, my daughter was checked periodically for dirty diapers (before feedings while she was nursing and spaced out further when she moved on to solids and wasn't going as frequently). I never let her sit around in a soiled diaper.

If someone is dedicated to EC, more power to them. I prefer to maintain my sanity. I okay with waiting until the kid is old enough to communicate and is ready for potty training.

[WonderingInWA]

Assuming you're referring to Elimination Communication, it's not for me. I may be a stay-at-home-mom, but I do not have the time or the patience to run my baby to the bathroom every 15-20 minutes and plop them on the toilet in hopes that they'll do something. That being said, my daughter was checked periodically for dirty diapers (before feedings while she was nursing and spaced out further when she moved on to solids and wasn't going as frequently). I never let her sit around in a soiled diaper.

If someone is dedicated to EC, more power to them. I prefer to maintain my sanity. I okay with waiting until the kid is old enough to communicate and is ready for potty training.

I've known some parents who have been successful at EC with their kids, but it just seems like a big effort in the long run. And I was a SAHM and never let my kids sit in soiled or wet diapers. They both potty trained themselves when they were ready -- one at 3.5 (okay, that was a bit frustrating, but he did it in 2 days) and the other at around 3. They are 13 and 10 now and none of us are scarred for having them wear diapers that long.

BTW, I'd love to see Prissy join GCM, but I'm pretty sure some of the ideas and discussions there would be a bit alternative for her. It's a very supportive community for a parent, and a Christian site, but I wouldn't think it is conservative enough for her beliefs.

[OkToBeTakei]

Assuming you're referring to Elimination Communication, it's not for me. I may be a stay-at-home-mom, but I do not have the time or the patience to run my baby to the bathroom every 15-20 minutes and plop them on the toilet in hopes that they'll do something. That being said, my daughter was checked periodically for dirty diapers (before feedings while she was nursing and spaced out further when she moved on to solids and wasn't going as frequently). I never let her sit around in a soiled diaper.

If someone is dedicated to EC, more power to them. I prefer to maintain my sanity. I okay with waiting until the kid is old enough to communicate and is ready for potty training.

Yes I was referring to that. Seems like another one of these ludicrous parenting fads. Control bowel/bladder happens at different ages. I would be very impressed to hear if some sub 2 yr old can take themselves to the toilet when required eliminate, wipe, wash their hands and flush the toilet. Granted the wiping sometimes needs some direction.

I found in general that dirty nappies tend to announce themselves, so it would take a shitty (pun intended) or sensory deprived parent to leave their child sitting in their own excrement.

[Dutch_girl]

I think part of the problem in the U.S. is that many states allow direct entry midwives, people with little if any formal education. This is what Jill Duggar is, or will soon be. It's like an apprentice program. Midwives in Europe are all well educated. I believe midwives should have to be licensed nurse midwives. My 3 grandsons (different mothers) were all born at a hospital where licensed nurse midwives do more than 50% of the deliveries. The hospital's C-section rate is 10%, one of the lowest in the country.

My DH is a retired M.D. He did home deliveries. He was the only physician in a very large area willing to do them. He had strict criteria and every women had to agree to being transferred to the hospital if he said it was needed. He also did VBAC deliveries but only in the hospital.

Yes, I think THIS is the problem. And because of that you just can't compare the U.S. and large parts of Europe regarding to homebirths. Being a midwife I have done a lot of homebirths but only if they met all the criteria for a safe birth. That's also what I always told people: At home if you want to, at the hospital if you need to.

And pre-eclampsia is ALWAYS a reason to deliver in hospital, if possible natural, otherwise a C-section. It doesn't matter if you are taken care by a midwife of a OBGYN, if you have symptoms of pre-eclampsia you always go to the doctor for a check-up.

[apple1]

Wow. 2 Mommy-war topics now. Hospital vs. home birth and potty training. Or is it 3? Maybe I missed breast vs. bottle.

[WonderingInWA]

Wow. 2 Mommy-war topics now. Hospital vs. home birth and potty training. Or is it 3? Maybe I missed breast vs. bottle.

They are all just completely personal choices and 3 of the most important and common. I wouldn't call them war topics. Anyone who has ever had a child knows these decisions are difficult and they don't always go to plan. I thought I knew EVERYTHING about the world before I had my first child (at 34). Boy, was I wrong.

[Bellatrix]

I think part of the problem in the U.S. is that many states allow direct entry midwives, people with little if any formal education. This is what Jill Duggar is, or will soon be. It's like an apprentice program. Midwives in Europe are all well educated. I believe midwives should have to be licensed nurse midwives. My 3 grandsons (different mothers) were all born at a hospital where licensed nurse midwives do more than 50% of the deliveries. The hospital's C-section rate is 10%, one of the lowest in the country.

My DH is a retired M.D. He did home deliveries. He was the only physician in a very large area willing to do them. He had strict criteria and every women had to agree to being transferred to the hospital if he said it was needed. He also did VBAC deliveries but only in the hospital.

I thought Jill Duggar was playing fantasy. That she was training to be some sort of doula and was just pretending on TV that she would go further and study midwifery in a specialised school.

Obviously, things are extremely different over here in Europe. In case any non-European women on here were to give birth on the old continent, do not panic!

In France, midwives:

- have the Baccalauréat exam

- got into med school and passed the first year (along with the doctors and surgeons to be)

- got through a rough national exam (under 30% of those attempting it succeed)

- did another 4 years of national midwifery school, including two years of studying high risk pregnancies

A grand total of 5 full-time years of hard training.

As far as I know, quite a few fellow European countries have a similar kind of training although I think France has one of the longest study cycles for the job.

I can't believe Jill Duggar is actually going to be approved as a "real" midwife. Facepalm moment.

[Curious]

In that video, David reminds me of a creepy Mr. Rogers. The way he talks, the soft voice. ick

Also, Pris doesn't seem to react AT ALL when he brushes her hair away. If that was me, I'd startle, at least a little bit. Even if I was drugged or kind of out of it, I'd have some reaction just from my hair being moved suddenly, but she doesn't seem to react to him at all.

Regarding her speech, it almost looks like she is wearing some kind of retainer, but I don't think she actually is. I'm going with others that there is some kind of tongue issue. When she gets really excited, her facial expressions are "normal," but it's like she gets ahead of herself speechwise and has to slow down and really think to get the words out properly.

[apple1]

They are all just completely personal choices and 3 of the most important and common. I wouldn't call them war topics. Anyone who has ever had a child knows these decisions are difficult and they don't always go to plan. I thought I knew EVERYTHING about the world before I had my first child (at 34). Boy, was I wrong.

I would. And thanks for the handslap (not).

FTR I'm a Mom and a Grandma and I made my personal choices. I just didn't try to convert the world to my choices. And FJ is not a Mommy board.

[OkToBeTakei]

I would. And thanks for the handslap (not).

FTR I'm a Mom and a Grandma and I made my personal choices. I just didn't try to convert the world to my choices. And FJ is not a Mommy board.

I was not aware there was a list of subjects not to be spoken about. If there was FJ would be a pretty narrow board, as it is, it is not and as long as in the correct sub-forums anything goes.

War topics eh? Along with Elimination Communication two new things learned today :lol:

[kpmom]

Wow. 2 Mommy-war topics now. Hospital vs. home birth and potty training. Or is it 3? Maybe I missed breast vs. bottle.

Just hope it doesn't devolve further and get into peanut butter wars!

[Buzzard]

BTW, I'd love to see Prissy join GCM, but I'm pretty sure some of the ideas and discussions there would be a bit alternative for her. It's a very supportive community for a parent, and a Christian site, but I wouldn't think it is conservative enough for her beliefs.

Prissy isnt allowed on Teh Ebil Internetz. She may learn something that isnt directly from the mouth of her headship of TEH LORDZ mouthpiece, Gothard. :shifty:

[OkToBeTakei]

Just hope it doesn't devolve further and get into peanut butter wars!

Hehe. Thread of epic.

[apple1]

I was not aware there was a list of subjects not to be spoken about. If there was FJ would be a pretty narrow board, as it is, it is not and as long as in the correct sub-forums anything goes.

War topics eh? Along with Elimination Communication two new things learned today :lol:

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Vaccinations.

Spanking.

Adoption done wrong.

Homeschooling and Unschooling.

Circumcision.

Breastfeeding.

Peanut Butter.

These topics, and others, have been discussed to death on FJ. That's not to say you're not allowed to discuss them again, but you may notice some resistance.

I guess you could say that I am resisting. (Obviously, the list is incomplete ;) ).

Discuss away, but, geez...

[Savoring Samsara]

Yes I was referring to that. Seems like another one of these ludicrous parenting fads. Control bowel/bladder happens at different ages. I would be very impressed to hear if some sub 2 yr old can take themselves to the toilet when required eliminate, wipe, wash their hands and flush the toilet. Granted the wiping sometimes needs some direction.

I found in general that dirty nappies tend to announce themselves, so it would take a shitty (pun intended) or sensory deprived parent to leave their child sitting in their own excrement.

Not necessarily a fad - from what I understand, EC is most useful in areas of the world where diapers may not be easy to come by, financially speaking, or where washing them thoroughly may be difficult. However, for my own purposes, I figure I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford all the diapers my kid needs, so I'll use them and save myself a lot of work. :)

[WonderingInWA]

I would. And thanks for the handslap (not).

FTR I'm a Mom and a Grandma and I made my personal choices. I just didn't try to convert the world to my choices. And FJ is not a Mommy board.

I'm not sure what I said that made you think I was slapping your hand. I apologize if that's how I was interpreted. I don't think anyone has a right to tell someone else how to parent, which is why we discuss the fundie parenting ideas so much here. They are "my way or the highway" kinds of people. But what I learned from being a parent is that there is no parenting Bible. It's a matter of figuring out how to best parent your own children based on who YOU are and how your child is wired.

[apple1]

I'm not sure what I said that made you think I was slapping your hand. I apologize...

It was the "Anyone who has ever had a child" thing that I interpreted as a handslap.

Apology accepted.

[WonderingInWA]

It was the "Anyone who has ever had a child" thing that I interpreted as a handslap.

Apology accepted.

No, I was completely serious. That anyone who has ever had a child knows that what you plan ahead for and what you get and end up doing in order to parent your child(ren) are often very different. Which is part of why I find fundie parenting books so amusing. I think a lot of them try to fit square pegs into round holes because some asshat like Gothard tells them to. Which is why we don't see people like Prissy getting onto mothering sites like GCM (or not gleaning tips from them, because they aren't allowed to). Sad. I had plans for my parenting journey but where I'm at now was never where I thought I'd be.

[Sobeknofret]

I'm late to the game, but what a cutie that wee one is! David looks more natural in this video than all the previous ones I've seen. Happy birthday to wee Paul, and congrats to the parents!

[OkToBeTakei]

Not necessarily a fad - from what I understand, EC is most useful in areas of the world where diapers may not be easy to come by, financially speaking, or where washing them thoroughly may be difficult. However, for my own purposes, I figure I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford all the diapers my kid needs, so I'll use them and save myself a lot of work. :)

Yes with you on that. China possibly? I can see the need to have to do it in some countries. Wanting to do it on the other hand would not be for me. But whatever floats the boat as the saying goes.

[OkToBeTakei]

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I guess you could say that I am resisting. (Obviously, the list is incomplete ;) ).

Discuss away, but, geez...

Actually no you did not resist. Resisting would not be commenting and certainly not a comment alluding to a 'war.' Those topics are mentioned at some point on just about every thread :lol: (exaggeration, but most threads end up a lively debate. Be a bloody boring board otherwise.)

[IReallyAmHopewell]

Nice normal name!