Artemis (Cynthia Jeub) 2: Still Grifting

[NurseNell]

11 minutes ago, Coconut Flan said:

I have plenty of money to buy a fancy trashcan and I refuse.  Why?  I don't want to clean it.  So plastic shopping bag or paper bag in a cheap plastic trashcan from Dollar Tree it is.  No one except my kids, the housekeeper, and I see it so why give myself something to do?  If the plastic gets disgusting, I can toss it without worrying.  

Exactly! That is what I do also. I wash the cheap trash cans occasionally and every few years replace them. 

[treehugger]

Honestly, I’ve used a plastic bag hung off a handle for most of my life. I now have a very sensible, cheap bin under the sink. I swear it was cheaper than my laundry hamper… maybe $10?  No need to spend lots of money on something no one sees but me. 

[Marmion]

14 hours ago, Ozlsn said:

I'm starting to think this is what got St Paul to add in the "if you want to eat, work" bit to the new groups of converts springing up as I suspect this has been a thing for... as long as humans have been able to try it.

On the subject of willful idleness , and its rightful penalty . This is both a biblical principle , pertaining to Christianity , as well as in addition a political principle relating to Communism .  It is no accident that the early church , at the time of the apostles , lived together in a community of goods , and provided to each other mutual aid . This is made clear , when we read the verse you referenced in the context of the larger text , and in addition reference this passage from 1 Thessalonians 4 :9-12 ( link goes to Bible Gateway ) .  The faithful Christian / dedicated socialist worker , is to diligently labor , to support both oneself , as well as those who are truly in need of assistance , due to no fault of their own .  Reference source materials are provided in the footnotes below .  < https://www.theologyofwork.org/new-testament/acts/a-clash-of-kingdoms-community-and-powerbrokers-acts-13-19/tent-making-and-christian-life-acts-181-4/ , https://www.gotquestions.org/2-Thessalonians-3-10-no-work-eat.html , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_who_does_not_work,_neither_shall_he_eat#Soviet_Union , Stalin's Biblical Hermeneutics >  

[quiversR4hunting]

I haven't stopped in here in a bit, I see nothing has changed with these two. The entitlement is mind-boggling. I did a 2 second indeed search for Seattle for part-time work with hs degree, several hundreds of jobs. As many of you have pointed out, not motivated and entitled. Very sad.

 

On 11/20/2023 at 10:40 PM, Bassett Lady said:

Kya Jeub, married to Micah, is, indeed, an idiot who takes ice baths, without medical supervision, even when pregnant. She also encourages/forces her very young toddler and preschool aged children to submerge in ice water, too. 

 

How many Jeub "kids" are married? Any of them get away from the crazy? IIRC the younger kids were able to go to school, I wonder if they are fairing better than the older kids. 

[LilMissMetaphor]

Most of them are married.

Alicia, Alissa, Lydia, Isaiah, Micah, Noah, Tabitha, Keilah, and Hannah all are.

Josiah's in a relationship.  That leaves Havilah, Joshua (in a relationship)  Priscilla, Zechariah and Elijah (all under 18).

Aaaand...I called the money beg, not that it was a stretch, lol.

"Hey does anyone want to help out with some groceries?

I have $5 on my EBT card. I need milk because I got a bunch of stuff that goes with milk and then we went through a whole gallon. I’m still boycotting major corporations this week. I just need to justify a trip over to the Asian market. Anything helps me make it into a more reasonable trip than $5."

Edited January 24 by LilMissMetaphor

[Giraffe]

8 minutes ago, LilMissMetaphor said:

 

"Hey does anyone want to help out with some groceries?

I have $5 on my EBT card. I need milk because I got a bunch of stuff that goes with milk and then we went through a whole gallon. I’m still boycotting major corporations this week. I just need to justify a trip over to the Asian market. Anything helps me make it into a more reasonable trip than $5."

While I can appreciate boycotting for various reasons, for them* to post it when they are literally begging for money is in poor taste imo. To each their own but it still smells a bit like bamboo toilet paper.  

*I misgendered them in an earlier post. I can't edit it anymore but wanted to acknowledge my error. 

[NurseNell]

I want to tell them I am boycotting cows, LOL. Save the milk for baby cows.

[quiversR4hunting]

1 hour ago, LilMissMetaphor said:

Most of them are married.

Alicia, Alissa, Lydia, Isaiah, Micah, Noah, Tabitha, Keilah, and Hannah all are.

Josiah's in a relationship.  That leaves Havilah, Joshua (in a relationship)  Priscilla, Zechariah and Elijah (all under 18).

Aaaand...I called the money beg, not that it was a stretch, lol.

"Hey does anyone want to help out with some groceries?

I have $5 on my EBT card. I need milk because I got a bunch of stuff that goes with milk and then we went through a whole gallon. I’m still boycotting major corporations this week. I just need to justify a trip over to the Asian market. Anything helps me make it into a more reasonable trip than $5."

Ummm beggars can't be choosers. They just need to shop at Aldi or Sav-A-Lot like the rest of us shopping on a budget. 

[NurseNell]

38 minutes ago, quiversR4hunting said:

Ummm beggars can't be choosers. They just need to shop at Aldi or Sav-A-Lot like the rest of us shopping on a budget. 

But are Aldi and Sav-A-Lot big corporations? LOL, just wondering. Mustn't shop big corporations. 

[Coconut Flan]

Sometimes needs must.  If they'd quit navel gazing and get on with life, they probably wouldn't be in the predicaments that they claim.  

[keepercjr]

2 hours ago, LilMissMetaphor said:

Most of them are married.

Alicia, Alissa, Lydia, Isaiah, Micah, Noah, Tabitha, Keilah, and Hannah all are.

Josiah's in a relationship.  That leaves Havilah, Joshua (in a relationship)  Priscilla, Zechariah and Elijah (all under 18).

Aaaand...I called the money beg, not that it was a stretch, lol.

"Hey does anyone want to help out with some groceries?

I have $5 on my EBT card. I need milk because I got a bunch of stuff that goes with milk and then we went through a whole gallon. I’m still boycotting major corporations this week. I just need to justify a trip over to the Asian market. Anything helps me make it into a more reasonable trip than $5."

Art posted on X (twitter) that they have raised $35 for groceries and can anyone else help out. 

[Jackie3]

Has it ever occurred to her that she can change the world by working? Work is not evil and can actually make the world a better place.

She's good at writing? Help people write their resumes (lol, a bit ironic). You can make money that way.  Help underprivileged teens write their resumes as a volunteer. 

Work as a teacher, and help kids. Work in that Asian market, and help them staff their store. Learn bookkeeping and help small businesses--that's a job you can do from your bed. Do something other than boycotting "big corporations"  for one week--trust me, they aren't going to notice or care.

Art seems to be in search of a boogyman bad guy. Big corporations are not angels, and they'll do bad things if they can get away with it. But they also provide jobs, donate to charity, and provide a service--like that Doordash she loves so much. A disabled person had a much harder time before Doordash, amazon, and instacart. She needs to learn about the middle way.

[0 kids n not countin]

1 hour ago, Jackie3 said:

Has it ever occurred to her that she can change the world by working? Work is not evil and can actually make the world a better place.

She's good at writing? Help people write their resumes (lol, a bit ironic). You can make money that way.  Help underprivileged teens write their resumes as a volunteer. 

Work as a teacher, and help kids. Work in that Asian market, and help them staff their store. Learn bookkeeping and help small businesses--that's a job you can do from your bed. Do something other than boycotting "big corporations"  for one week--trust me, they aren't going to notice or care.

Art seems to be in search of a boogyman bad guy. Big corporations are not angels, and they'll do bad things if they can get away with it. But they also provide jobs, donate to charity, and provide a service--like that Doordash she loves so much. A disabled person had a much harder time before Doordash, amazon, and instacart. She needs to learn about the middle way.

So true.  Since our father, who will be 91 later this year, recently stopped driving, my sister and I signed up with Instacart to have groceries delivered to our parent's home when we are not able to visit ourselves and shop for them.  While I hate using food delivery apps/services, and choose not to use them for myself, they do provide a needed service to many who aren't able to do the shopping themselves, and I'm thankful I have this option to help out my parents.

[Jackie3]

1 hour ago, 0 kids n not countin said:

So true.  Since our father, who will be 91 later this year, recently stopped driving, my sister and I signed up with Instacart to have groceries delivered to our parent's home when we are not able to visit ourselves and shop for them.  While I hate using food delivery apps/services, and choose not to use them for myself, they do provide a needed service to many who aren't able to do the shopping themselves, and I'm thankful I have this option to help out my parents.

Yes, I've said this before. I used to work with the visually impaired. Amazon and other "big corporations" have been an enormous boon to their independence. It may not be perfect, but it's better than trying to get a ride to a store, asking for help inside the store, finding what you need,  trying to carry your stuff plus using a cane, then waiting for a ride back home.

Same with people who don't have a car, or can't afford gas, or don't live on bus line. It's really very elitist to reject these companies out of hand, when they provide a service for those who can't drive or take mass transit.

IT's really very ableist to criticize these companies. They may not be run by the nicest people, but they do provide a needed services.

Edited January 24 by Jackie3

[Maggie Mae]

I like how they just assume that the "Asian Market" is somehow not a chain or less evil than Safeway/Albertsons/Walmart/Kroger. (I really wish the FTC would just block the Kroger/Safeway merger) Half of the ones around here are just as corporate. One of them owns *Gasp* real estate. 

There are hundreds of part-time jobs, some with flexible hours, plenty with skills that they have.  They just need to go ahead and apply and try to make it work. Walk dogs, be a weekend caregiver, or do administrative work from home. Doing work for pay doesn't make you a capitalist or "part of the system," when you are starving and begging for food. 

[Hane]

I was at my church’s pastoral care committee meeting today. We were working out ways to help congregants in need, and started discussing the kinds of things we should do for folks who need more than a sympathetic ear, a pan of lasagna, a couple hundred bucks (we’re a tiny congregation without a lot of money), or a ride to the doctor’s office. A couple of experts in the medical and social service fields are getting us info to share regarding state and local assistance programs and how to help people get through the red tape. 

But one person, a retired nurse with the patience of a saint, mentioned a congregant who has been given a lot of material and emotional assistance, and has been connected to service agencies—but refuses to follow through for myriad reasons, none of which seems to make sense to the rest of us. It’s likely to come down to mental health problems she can’t or doesn’t want to address.

The minister and I mentioned that what looks like intentional manipulativeness can in many cases be a coping skill developed by people from dysfunctional families. In such families, directness, honesty, and personal responsibility often don’t work, or get sabotaged or exploited.
 

[Marmion]

9 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

Has it ever occurred to her that she can change the world by working? Work is not evil and can actually make the world a better place.

She's good at writing? Help people write their resumes (lol, a bit ironic). You can make money that way.  Help underprivileged teens write their resumes as a volunteer. 

Work as a teacher, and help kids. Work in that Asian market, and help them staff their store. Learn bookkeeping and help small businesses--that's a job you can do from your bed. Do something other than boycotting "big corporations"  for one week--trust me, they aren't going to notice or care.

Art seems to be in search of a boogyman bad guy. Big corporations are not angels, and they'll do bad things if they can get away with it. But they also provide jobs, donate to charity, and provide a service--like that Doordash she loves so much. A disabled person had a much harder time before Doordash, amazon, and instacart. She needs to learn about the middle way.

 

From what I recently read on her blog , the post is from 2022 though , Artemis seems to be an advocate of the anti-work movement , that has especially taken off on such social media as Reddit .  It is inspired by such historic figures as Paul Lafargue , who wrote the book entitled "The Right to be Lazy" ( link goes to Wikipedia article )   , which was so influential within the refusal of work movement ( link goes to Wikipedia article )   . I wish that I was making this up , but there actually is a r/anti-work subreddit ( link goes to Wikipedia article )  .  All of these things seems to be influencing the ideology of Artemis Stardust ( nee Cynthia Jeub) , from what I gather from their blog post , link in the spoiler below , for anyone who might want to read it for themselves .  Also from about the same time period is another blog post , in the spoiler underneath the first one , in which they give explanations , or what some detractors may consider to be excuses , as to why they are struggling to get by . People can make of it what they will .  I myself do not exactly know what to make of them . I just know that they require one on one help to get on their feet and moving forward in life , so that they aren't having to continue to mooch off of online contributions , that gives both them , and by extension the entire radical left , especially Millennial socialists (link to Wikipedia article )  , a bad reputation .  

Spoiler

https://artemisstardust.com/2022/06/29/radical-thoughts-about-the-anti-work-movement/

 

Spoiler

https://artemisstardust.com/2022/09/06/reaching-for-stability-and-sustainability/

 

[Mrs Ms]

11 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

Has it ever occurred to her that she can change the world by working? Work is not evil and can actually make the world a better place.

She's good at writing? Help people write their resumes (lol, a bit ironic). You can make money that way.  Help underprivileged teens write their resumes as a volunteer. 

Work as a teacher, and help kids. Work in that Asian market, and help them staff their store. Learn bookkeeping and help small businesses--that's a job you can do from your bed. Do something other than boycotting "big corporations"  for one week--trust me, they aren't going to notice or care.

Art seems to be in search of a boogyman bad guy. Big corporations are not angels, and they'll do bad things if they can get away with it. But they also provide jobs, donate to charity, and provide a service--like that Doordash she loves so much. A disabled person had a much harder time before Doordash, amazon, and instacart. She needs to learn about the middle way.

Misgendered 5 times in one post. Congrats!!!!! And yes this has been mentioned more than once….. 

Even people acting like selfish grifters deserve their preferred and PUBLICLY announced pronouns to be used. Even by concern trolling muck stirrers.

[formerhsfundie]

19 hours ago, Hane said:

The minister and I mentioned that what looks like intentional manipulativeness can in many cases be a coping skill developed by people from dysfunctional families. In such families, directness, honesty, and personal responsibility often don’t work, or get sabotaged or exploited.
 

What a great observation! Absolutely, those values get sabotaged or exploited in dysfunctional families. Reading this makes me wonder what people with normal families experience, and how different life must be when parents support their offspring during their launch into the world... I will never know first hand what that is like, nor will Artemis.

However, the question remains, "Why do some children escape this conclusion, while others fall prey to it and let it destroy their life?" Mega families give us so much fodder because they have so many children to experiment on. The amazing thing is how differently the same message gets internalized by the kids. 

I see a lot of fundamentalist patterns in Artemis's thinking. And the idea that the Asian market is somehow a better ethical choice makes me lol. It's such a grab bag, just like cherry picking Bible verses to support a rare viewpoint. Nothing has changed, just the subject of the rhetoric. It's all still us vs. them. 

[Hane]

@formerhsfundie , your excellent question comes down to something I learned about some fifty years ago in a college child psychology course: the concept of “the resilient child.” Some kids survive miserable upbringings and somehow manage to thrive. Other kids, healthy and raised in supportive families, don’t. Look at the Unabomber, for instance: The same parents raised a solid citizen (who had the guts and integrity to turn his dangerous brother in to law enforcement) and a murderous madman.

[anjulibai]

17 hours ago, Marmion said:

 

From what I recently read on her blog , the post is from 2022 though , Artemis seems to be an advocate of the anti-work movement , that has especially taken off on such social media as Reddit .  It is inspired by such historic figures as Paul Lafargue , who wrote the book entitled "The Right to be Lazy" ( link goes to Wikipedia article )   , which was so influential within the refusal of work movement ( link goes to Wikipedia article )   . I wish that I was making this up , but there actually is a r/anti-work subreddit ( link goes to Wikipedia article )  .  All of these things seems to be influencing the ideology of Artemis Stardust ( nee Cynthia Jeub) , from what I gather from their blog post , link in the spoiler below , for anyone who might want to read it for themselves .  Also from about the same time period is another blog post , in the spoiler underneath the first one , in which they give explanations , or what some detractors may consider to be excuses , as to why they are struggling to get by . People can make of it what they will .  I myself do not exactly know what to make of them . I just know that they require one on one help to get on their feet and moving forward in life , so that they aren't having to continue to mooch off of online contributions , that gives both them , and by extension the entire radical left , especially Millennial socialists (link to Wikipedia article )  , a bad reputation .  

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I can see, and even agree with, the argument that we are technilogically advanced enough that we shouldn't have to work so much, and should be able to spend our time more on leizure and personal pursuits, that's not really a reason not to work at all. 

[Giraffe]

It'd be awesome if we didn't have to work as hard for as many hours as we do in order to pay our bills. But that's simply not realistic. I could argue that even Artemis is "working" at being anti-work. They still post about needing money. How much time do they spend over the course of a week asking for financial help? What's the point in being anti-work when they essentially still put in the amount of effort getting money donated as they would if they worked a part-time job? Yeah, it really sucks that we live in the society we do with the lack of safety nets and such. It really does! But...we do and it's not going to change in our lifetime. 

[formerhsfundie]

I had to go back to the previous thread to verify the amount, but here it is. 

@NurseNell said on July 15, 2023:

She keeps begging for money. Just today, after getting something like $5,700 from her latest GoFundMe she's asking for still more money: " We still need to move in and get things like Internet set up, so other expenses are likely to come up." Maybe you could go to the library and use their internet. I know several people who do that, they don't ask others to provide the money to pay for internet.

The point I came here to make, is that if having complete strangers on the internet gift you $5,700 to save you from homelessness doesn't improve your outlook on humanity, nothing will. I believe some of us thought that this crowdfunding success would help them get back on their feet, but not only has the grifting and 'poor me' attitude continued, the whole situation is described by them as a terrible, difficult time. Not soul affirming (i.e. look how many people CARED) but rather somehow it reinforced their isolationist views. 

 

Their radical ideology defies real-life lived experience. It's a long rabbit hole going nowhere. 

[LilMissMetaphor]

@Pancakes@Tiffany's pointed out on the Rod thread that Jennifer Turpin (a survivor of objectively considerably more trauma than Art) has written a book about her experiences coming out in April (6 years after the events).

Meanwhile, coming up on 11 years post leaving home, Art says that their own book "has been anticipated for a long time, but I am struggling to finish it because writing about my trauma has proven to be re-traumatizing. I hope to return to the project when I have the capacity to complete it."

While it's not a competition and everyone processes trauma differently, it's still something Art should consider between their bouts of grifting and self-pitying.  Commit to something that will actually help you (writing, schooling, therapy, getting on disability) instead of coming up with excuses why it can't be done 'yet'.

[Nikedagain?]

On 1/9/2024 at 6:45 PM, Jackie3 said:

I'm sorry you were so alone, Willow.

A college in Seattle generally has plenty of trans and LGBTQ allies.  Is everyone that way? No, of course not. Would we want people to be excluded from college because of their views--whether anti-woman, anti-semite, anti-trans? 

I was raised as a Jew and met anti-semites in college. I certainly met lots of misogynists during my 20's (and, sadly, before that, too). I met them, learned a bit about what. made them tick, and moved on. Their ugly opinions didn't define me. Sometimes you just have to let people be wrong.

Art is living in one of the most liberal cities in the country. Things will only get more difficult outside of Seattle. Dropping out of school doesn't hurt anyone but herself, and in a way, it lets the haters "win."

I'm not saying she should tolerate abuse, of course. But feeling uncomfortable in a conversation is going to happen plenty in your life, and most people's lives.

Absolutely this. I live in a very blue bubble in NC, a state that is likely to elect a RACIST, MAGA black man as governor. Yes I said what I said. It is absolutely bonkers.