[CW: Child Sexual Abuse] Josh and Anna Duggar 26: Smugshot™ Jermajesty Duggar

[QuiverFullofBooks]

Whew, I’m caught up! Perhaps I will go do something productive while y’all type out another ten pages. Anyway, it occurred to me that the puffiness in Josh’s mug shot could be because salt and sugar make him retain water, and I don’t doubt that he got his junk food fix on before heading to jail.

ETA: What does “A cheese plagiarist and a liar” (my current post count title) come from?

Edited May 2, 2021 by QuiverFullofBooks
Had a thought

[formergothardite]

15 minutes ago, SimplyMe said:

And yes, I’m suggesting the 24-year old dude in Texas paying $8/month is contributing to trafficking.  He absolutely is.  As well as the dehumanization and sexualization of women.  

Isn’t saying two consenting adults entering into an agreement where one pays the other for sexual favors is wrong because there are some people being trafficked in the sex industry similar to saying that anyone who purchase chocolate, even if it is fair trade, is wrong because there is a child slave issue in the chocolate industry? And plus eating chocolate can be addictive to some people and lead to unhealthy life choices therefore no one should consume it.  Same thing with coffee. I just don’t know how I would actually function if I had to take your attitude towards porn(even totally consensual porn) and bring that to other areas of my life where industries have human rights violations. This attitude means even fair trade stuff is off the table!
 

How do you handle life? Seriously, I am curious how you navigate through the world! So many industries have issues with human rights violations but you are saying even the stuff that is made by consensual adults who are receiving a fair wage is bad if an industry has human rights problem. At least that is what it sounds like you are saying.

[nelliebelle1197]

10 minutes ago, Jasmar said:

Gave up on the Arndt boy?

Don't you DARE tell him I am thinking of cheating.

[Sabine]

Just now, Antimony said:

*cough* 

When you consider that we live in a late-stage capitalist country and everybody has to work so excessively hard to survive, you must consider that most labor involves some kind of exploitations and consider that perhaps, it isn't the type of work that is the problem, but the bills that people with more money than us demand we pay.

And that's a good thing. Because that opens the door to more interesting economic philosophy and radical solutions. 

and a happy May Day to you. 

That is one thing that is completely overlooked is that there are quite a few happy sex workers in the industry because for various reasons it suits them. Same with prostitution. or porn. I doubt that Stormy Daniels would considered herself abused or trafficked or even unhappy, and a whole other group of people that every now and then dabbles in prostitution because money is tight.  Porn in itself is not bad, its a way to g et off or started, it is the exploitation by those that actually don't seek consent that makes it a dangerous place for many.  Also, consider that in Pompeii the drawing of an erection over the house door was a good luck charm.  Times change. 

 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

5 minutes ago, Antimony said:

*cough* 

When you consider that we live in a late-stage capitalist country and everybody has to work so excessively hard to survive, you must consider that most labor involves some kind of exploitations and consider that perhaps, it isn't the type of work that is the problem, but the bills that people with more money than us demand we pay.

And that's a good thing. Because that opens the door to more interesting economic philosophy and radical solutions. 

Thank you.  I hope she is as appalled about the millions of people working untenable hours at tedious low paying jobs with no sick pay, vacation, benefits panicking about losing their jobs if their kid gets sick and they need to stay home...not to mention the intense struggle of arranging child care while working such jobs with financial or time cushion so any emergency or even blip can completely derail life.

There are low income jobs out there where people suffer dehumanization too because their employers don't even recognize them as people, and those aren't okay either just because they do those jobs with all their clothes on.

 

[AussieKrissy]

1 hour ago, fundiefan said:

TLC having a morality clause? The network that makes its money off scandal, drama, and insanity? And when it doesn't show up, they have "hosts" who dredge it up? The network that is all about shock value & reaction? All for exploitation in the name of the all mighty rating / buck? 

I have never thought to put "morality" and TLC into the same sentence even. 

I get all that but they are also about selling out people to make money. If the duggars are not going to make tlc any more money (through the duggars own fault). I’m betting that tlc has some kind of clause to get out of a contract without paying the duggars anymore money. It comes down to the dollar and tlc ain’t gunna give it away free. 

[JenniferJuniper]

For those interested in a peek at Smug's current accommodations:

Spoiler

Photo is from 2014, so maybe they've remodeled a bit, but can you say grim?  Granted, he's not used to windows, but those fluorescent lights would drive me mad. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, Sabine said:

and a happy May Day to you. 

That is one thing that is completely overlooked is that there are quite a few happy sex workers in the industry because for various reasons it suits them. Same with prostitution. or porn. I doubt that Stormy Daniels would considered herself abused or trafficked or even unhappy, and a whole other group of people that every now and then dabbles in prostitution because money is tight.  Porn in itself is not bad, its a way to g et off or started, it is the exploitation by those that actually don't seek consent that makes it a dangerous place for many.  Also, consider that in Pompeii the drawing of an erection over the house door was a good luck charm.  Times change. 

 

Not to mention the amatures who enjoy creating content and putting it out there.   Painting everyone with the same brush is so silly I don't know why we're bothering to discuss it.

[Sabine]

Just now, JenniferJuniper said:

For those interested in a peek at Smug's current accommodations:

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Photo is from 2014, so maybe they've remodeled a bit, but can you say grim?  Granted, he's not used to windows, but those fluorescent lights would drive me mad. 

well that should remind him of home, no blankets, fully dressed and no personal belongings. Back to where he started out. Also, the door is locked. So essentially like home.  

[mango_fandango]

6 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

Whew, I’m caught up! Perhaps I will go do something productive while y’all type out another ten pages. Anyway, it occurred to me that the puffiness in Josh’s mug shot could be because salt and sugar make him retain water, and I don’t doubt that he got his junk food fix on before heading to jail.

ETA: What does “A cheese plagiarist and a liar” (my current post count title) come from?

It’s from a while ago, when Erika Shupe was still active. She claimed to make food from scratch, but there were boxes of Kraft Mac and cheese in her pantry. There’s a better explanation in the thread about post count titles.

[Nutella Ace]

1 hour ago, CanadianMamam said:

I wonder if there is a definition between child and minor? Because YA books that contain sexual content still get sold, but obviously in that case it’s not young children, it’s teenagers and I wonder if there is some aspect of the laws that covers that. I always find the nuances of the law really interesting.

I think part of the distinction is whether the sexual content is the primary purpose of the text. So a YA book that has a young couple usually would not contain graphic descriptions of sexual activity but might just hint at things or describe things kind of vaguely, and that would be a passing chapter here or there as part of a larger plot. But on the other hand if it was an erotica fanfiction with children as characters where the whole thing is just graphic sexual scenes, that would cross the line legally. At leas that is my understanding.

[nelliebelle1197]

@browncoatslytherin  the current Biden jobs plan has free daycare. You are exactly the kind of person whose life would be totally different with access to affordable daycare, healthcare and higher minimum wage along with the child tax payments and credits. Even if you did not want to change careers, you would have a genuine, well-funded safety net that would open doors for you. I hope you are able to take advantage of Medicaid and SNAP now. Obviously, you don't have to tell me, but I really hope you can access even those meager benefits!

[Antimony]

9 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

Isn’t saying two consenting adults entering into an agreement where one pays the other for sexual favors is wrong because there are some people being trafficked in the sex industry similar to saying that anyone who purchase chocolate, even if it is fair trade, is wrong because there is a child slave issue in the chocolate industry? And plus eating chocolate can be addictive to some people and lead to unhealthy life choices therefore no one should consume it.  Same thing with coffee. I just don’t know how I would actually function if I had to take your attitude towards porn(even totally consensual porn) and bring that to other areas of my life where industries have human rights violations. This attitude means even fair trade stuff is off the table!
 

How do you handle life? Seriously, I am curious how you navigate through the world! So many industries have issues with human rights violations but you are saying even the stuff that is made by consensual adults who are receiving a fair wage is bad if an industry has human rights problem. At least that is what it sounds like you are saying.

I too am sitting here trying to frantically connect the dots between "a purchase from a man sex worker of him jacking off alone" is "sexualizing women" but I'm coming up empty.
(Do people think no men do porn...or?)

[HerNameIsBuffy]

9 minutes ago, Sabine said:

Also, consider that in Pompeii the drawing of an erection over the house door was a good luck charm. 

It's not still?  I guess the neighbors were right, I'll take mine down.

[nausicaa]

56 minutes ago, Antimony said:

Hold on, I'm gonna call the fish market and see if they've got some oysters in stock -- you might need some more pearls to clutch. 

But let's chat.

1. Everything you've said tells me you've never listened to an actual sex worker and if you did, you would infantilize them or call them crazy. Disgusting. 
2. Human trafficking is being covered as a moral panic, not as an actual issue. See: You're Wrong About - Human Trafficking - Michael Hobbes and Sarah Marshall. The "numbers" you hear about human trafficking are overblown and non-descriptive. Most human trafficking is...things like people consenting to be taken into a country illegally across a border. Is that a problem? I mean, yea, it is -- there's a power dynamic, it's dangerous to the immigrants, but it isn't "sex human trafficking" the way you're pearl clutching about. 
3. Porn is not a drug. There is no such thing as porn addiction. 
4. Porn and sex trafficking are not inextricably linked. 

Are you really suggesting that if I pay a man $8 to his direct deposit of his OnlyFans and I know that man is a 24 year old living in Texas for content of him jacking off, and he's using that money to pay for a college degree, that this is....*checks notes*...supporting human sex trafficking?

This brand of "save the trafficking" rhetoric and "Save the women" always seems to be focused on never actually listening to the actual needs of any sex workers. Honestly. 

If you haven't listened to actual sex workers, I really don't want to hear it. There are plenty of them out there, and they are asking for certain things about their safety and rights --- and this is not it. 

I think I love you?

Thank you for addressing the overblown, dishonest "sex trafficking" myth. It's truly become the "white slavers!" of our time and is a convenient vehicle to shut down sex workers' rights. I cannot believe it has picked up the traction it has on both sides of the political aisle. 

I'm inevitably accused of hating women and being a misogynist (despite being a woman and a feminist at that) when I discuss this. It also perpetuates the Victorian myth that women are powerless, delicate flowers whose worth is tied up in their purity, never feeling horny, performative, or just ambivalent to trading their sexual appeal for money. 

Elizabeth Nolan Brown has been researching and writing about this for years, if anyone is interested in reading about it. 

[browncoatslytherin]

Just now, nelliebelle1197 said:

@browncoatslytherin  the current Biden jobs plan has free daycare. You are exactly the kind of person whose life would be totally different with access to affordable daycare, healthcare and higher minimum wage along with the child tax payments and credits. Even if you did not want to change careers, you would have a genuine, well-funded safety net that would open doors for you. I hope you are able to take advantage of Medicaid and SNAP now. Obviously, you don't have to tell me, but I really hope you can access even those meager benefits!

i have heard some various things about the plan, i don't really know very many specifics tbqh and i don't *think* it's passed yet? (i'm not really plugged into media a whole lot, so i'm sometimes behind lol). i would totally take advantage of free daycare, having to be the sole caretaker of a disabled child when you're disabled yourself is extremely draining, and while he does go to school, a little more time as a break would be wonderful. the boy is on full medicaid, thankfully, so his therapies and doc visits are covered (though my husband and i only qualify for the bullshit "family planning" medicaid which doesn't do us any good, really, even though our income is all the same somehow because he's a kid and we're adults we're told to fuck off). snap has absolutely helped us as well, and with it being increased during the pandemic, we've been able to pay some bills down, get ahead, and with the stimulus money specifically we're gearing up for a cross-country move (to hopefully benefit the boy with access to more resources than can be found in rural nc).

[Alice in Fundieland]

1 hour ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

Has Cousin Amy weighed in yet?

Apparently, she talked to The Sun and had more to say. If she did in fact say these things, I think it’s much like the rest of the family’s response.

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/2802909/josh-duggar-cousin-amy-devastated-arrest-child-porn/

Spoiler

 

AMY'S HEARTBREAK 

Josh Duggar’s cousin Amy reveals she’s ‘devastated’ by his arrest on child porn charges & says bust ‘breaks my heart’

JOSH Duggar’s cousin Amy revealed she is “devastated” by his arrest on child porn charges and said the bust “breaks” her heart. 

Josh, 33, was charged with one count of possession of a child pornographic photo and a second count of receiving a child pornographic photo on Friday.

The charges come after he was arrested on Thursday in Arkansas. 

Josh’s cousin Amy King, 34, exclusively told The Sun she is “devastated” by the arrest. 

She said: “At the moment I have no comment to make. I’m kind of speechless, we just hope it’s not true. 

“I spoke with several of my cousins after we heard about the arrest. We’re in shock, but we don’t want to think the worst of someone, you want to think the best.

“If it is true it would absolutely devastate a lot of people.”

Amy, who is married to Dillon King, continued: “Everybody that knows Josh would be devastated. Just thinking about it makes me want to have a glass of wine right now.”

She added that her “hugs” go out to Josh’s pregnant wife Anna, 32, and their six children. 

The clothing boutique owner ended: “It breaks my heart. Family is family and I wish the best for everyone.”

 

 

[BernRul]

6 hours ago, Ilovebrownies said:

I guess you don’t know all of his indescretions and illiegal sexual activities. 

 

There are Republicans on this site.  It would be nice if they weren’t attacked every time they posted.  

It would also be nice if Republicans didn't support a man who tried to take away my husband's livelihood and deport him to a country he doesn't remeber, but they did, blindly, for four years so we can't always get what we want.

[SPHASH]

44 minutes ago, Sabine said:

yeah, nah bullshit. 

from 2013 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/25/iceland-seeks-internet-pornography-ban

from 2016 https://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/01/world/europe/iceland-pornography-ban/index.html

from 2013 https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2013/04/23/why-does-liberal-iceland-want-to-ban-online-pornography

So one can find nothing about 'erectile dysfunction' in 15 - 16 year old male plumbing wearing persons, but one can find that pornography in Iceland has been banned since 1869. So really i doubt that young penis pulling people of Iceland worry about erectile dysfunction, but i hear a whole lot of really super duper fundies believe this  to be the case. 

In  Iceland however the aim is to prevent access to phonography online for children who may or may not be traumatised by what they see. Again, not a word was mentioned about erectile dysfunction in young penis holders to be the issue.  Protecting young people from accessing violent porn is something that any country should do, banning access to porn online is however a completely different thing. And erectile dysfunction in teenagers has nothing to do with anything. 

 

From the last link 

 

In Reykjavik there is the Icelandic Phallological Museum.  A museum dedicated to penises is allowed but adult porn isn't?

Edited May 2, 2021 by SPHASH

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, SPHASH said:

In Reykjavik there is the Icelandic Phallological Museum.  That is allowed but adult porn isn't?

Off to google...

I learn so much here.

[nelliebelle1197]

7 minutes ago, browncoatslytherin said:

i have heard some various things about the plan, i don't really know very many specifics tbqh and i don't *think* it's passed yet? (i'm not really plugged into media a whole lot, so i'm sometimes behind lol). i would totally take advantage of free daycare, having to be the sole caretaker of a disabled child when you're disabled yourself is extremely draining, and while he does go to school, a little more time as a break would be wonderful. the boy is on full medicaid, thankfully, so his therapies and doc visits are covered (though my husband and i only qualify for the bullshit "family planning" medicaid which doesn't do us any good, really, even though our income is all the same somehow because he's a kid and we're adults we're told to fuck off). snap has absolutely helped us as well, and with it being increased during the pandemic, we've been able to pay some bills down, get ahead, and with the stimulus money specifically we're gearing up for a cross-country move (to hopefully benefit the boy with access to more resources than can be found in rural nc).

The bills have not passed yet but here is economist Paul Krugman's take with some details!

[Satan'sFortress]

1 minute ago, Alice in Fundieland said:

Amy, who is married to Dillon King, continued: “Everybody that knows Josh would be devastated. Just thinking about it makes me want to have a glass of wine right now.”

Save me sweet baby Rufus.  If she really said that, it might move into first place as the stupidest public comment from family so far.

You need a glass of wine? Do you have the vapors? And I am still waiting for any of them to express concern over the child victims involved here. Whether or not they believe Josh is guilty, you'd think one of them would at least say something about the victims.

[kmachete14]

Sex work & pornography are also not always the same thing. Only fans is not the same as “Asian street meat” brand porn where It looks like a dude bought a 16 year old prostitute in Thailand and is making her do anal. Managing your own clients is not the same as a just turned 18 year old accepting a gonzo porn role bc the producer promised she’ll become famous. And watching porn without sex education IS harmful to the adolescent brain because now we have boys who think most girls orgasm from giving blowjobs, that anal sex requires no preparation, and that the clitoris needs one jab and suddenly she’ll be squirting fountains. it’s also worth noting “teen” and “incest” are super popular porn categories, that even famous porn actresses talk about acts they didn’t sign off on being done to them but they felt they couldn’t step up, revenge porn exists, racist tropes and captions are rampant, and that even amateur porn can be a young person being manipulated by a boyfriend.
 

So just because some self produced, ethically made porn exists doesn’t mean the entire industry is a-ok. 
 

To have a discussion many facets need to be addressed. 
 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by kmachete14

[Freejin]

1 hour ago, truthseeker said:

Are you sure?  There's definitely such a thing as gambling addiction, so not being a drug doesn't preclude it.

 

 

Right. This is why social workers are trained in additions counseling rather than chemical dependency. It includes gambling and porn etc. 

[closetcagebaby]

19 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Thank you.  I hope she is as appalled about the millions of people working untenable hours at tedious low paying jobs with no sick pay, vacation, benefits panicking about losing their jobs if their kid gets sick and they need to stay home...not to mention the intense struggle of arranging child care while working such jobs with financial or time cushion so any emergency or even blip can completely derail life.

There are low income jobs out there where people suffer dehumanization too because their employers don't even recognize them as people, and those aren't okay either just because they do those jobs with all their clothes on.

 

Exactly!! This issue isn’t sex trafficking - it’s capitalism. But that doesn’t give you the warm fuzzies about “protecting” women from your high horse. If you care about sex workers, ask them what they want. If you want less people forced into jobs where they are treated poorly, advocate for universal healthcare, higher minimum wage, and better worker protections. 
 

seconding the post that recommended the You’re Wrong About episode about human trafficking. Necessary listening for sure.