Joe & Kendra 16: Praise - ing Their Brooklyn All the Day Long!

[CanadianMamam]

52 minutes ago, OldFadedStar said:

So what would an only child considered? Oldest? 

I remember reading they can go either oldest or youngest or sometimes be a mix, trait wise. I am an only. 

[Satan'sFortress]

16 hours ago, Cam said:

SatansFortress, how would you describe the dynamic between you and the Mister?

 

(He's an oldest, I'm a youngest.) He is much more serious, a bit of a fuddy-duddy, while l am more playful and emotional. As parents, I am definitely more emotionally in tuned to our kids than he is and am also the 'fun' parent. He's a very good dad---and I think we balance each other well. He was able and willing to do a lot of the things that made me uncomfortable--teaching them to drive, for example.

What's funny is that I tend to go easier on my older one and expect more from the younger---while my husband is the opposite. You would have thought it would be the other way around. 

[DalmatianCat]

2 hours ago, OldFadedStar said:

So what would an only child considered? Oldest? 

I think they’re referred to as “Lonely Onlys”. They tend to do well with adults and directions, but struggle relating to peers. Obviously, there’s a lot of variance!

I did an unofficial experiment with my Drama Club one semester. The kids ranged in age from 7-17 and for our improv time one day I split them up into three groups depending on if they were the oldest, middle, or youngest in their family (there were only two only children in the group, so I assigned them to the group of youngest).

I announced the assignment and the time limit and then observed…

The group of oldest children spent the majority of their time bickering over whose idea to follow. They all had brilliant ideas, but everyone wanted to be in charge. They would have had the best end result, but they argued until they had 60 seconds left and even then finished slightly after the time limit. They still had a nice presentation.

The group of middle children took a minute to get started (they’re used to a boss, but step up when no one else does), then a leader emerged and they all started to work collaboratively together and have a good time doing it (middle children are good at independence and collaboration). Their end product wasn’t perfect, but it was good, completed within the timeframe, and everyone felt accomplished.

The group of youngest children descended into brief chaos while they tried to figure out who was in charge, got distracted by playing, and (because I assigned the only two only children to that group) eventually got on task…they had a messy end product, but had a lot of fun getting to that point.

Edited June 20, 2022 by DalmatianCat
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[Cam]

3 hours ago, OldFadedStar said:

So what would an only child considered? Oldest? 

2 hours ago, clueliss said:

I believe there’s sort of a super oldest but I could be misremembering.

Yes, I think that’s right. Only children are viewed as having first born traits which are kind of amplified. A marriage of two only children can often be volatile.

 

2 hours ago, Satan'sFortress said:

(He's an oldest, I'm a youngest.) He is much more serious, a bit of a fuddy-duddy, while l am more playful and emotional. As parents, I am definitely more emotionally in tuned to our kids than he is and am also the 'fun' parent. He's a very good dad---and I think we balance each other well. He was able and willing to do a lot of the things that made me uncomfortable--teaching them to drive, for example.

What's funny is that I tend to go easier on my older one and expect more from the younger---while my husband is the opposite. You would have thought it would be the other way around. 

None of this surprises me, SatansFortress! Your styles seem pretty on target with your birth order.

 

@DalmationCat—very interesting birth order experiment! You probably could predict rather accurately how each group would turn out.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Cam

[HeartsAFundie]

On 6/19/2022 at 5:27 PM, DalmatianCat said:

Some things I remember are middle children tend to make good spouses. An oldest child marrying another oldest child will have typically have the most challenges. One of the better pairings is an oldest female and a youngest or middle male.

That's me and my husband-I am the oldest of 2 and he's the youngest of 3.  Still together (albeit sometimes barely) after 29 years.

Funny about oldest and oldest together. My ex-boyfriend (before my husband) was an oldest as well as myself and boy, did we butt heads over who had the upper hand and who was right.   It did not end well.  

[whitney37354]

Dh & I are both oldest and are raising an only.  All three of us are Gemini.  How we manage to all get along is beyond me!  We've been a couple for 33 years and married for almost 29 years.

[libgirl2]

I am an only, I have an only, my ex was the youngest of two. My ex was very irresponsible and acted like he was still a teenager.  My husband now is the youngest of three. He is responsible but still acts like a kid sometimes, which is fine with me but sometimes drives me crazy. He has a serious and studious side. When I met him,  he was reading Dante's Inferno. I was impressed that he was reading it, let alone even knew what it was. My ex was not very academic. 

Edited June 21, 2022 by libgirl2

[Cam]

Mr. Cam, a youngest, was married briefly (and divorced) to an only years before I ever met him. It had nothing to do with religion and she was not pregnant, but they were very young. According to birth order, it should have worked out but neither had the skills to make it work. I think they were both spoiled, plus too young.
 

One thing I wonder is about first born twins. Are they both considered the oldest? 

[JermajestyDuggar]

They broke the rules. It’s very unfortunate but they knowingly broke the rules. Why do fundies always think they are above the rules. Other families in this facility have to follow the rules. But not them? We know how anti-mask and anti-vax they are. I’m betting they broke many rules that day. And they probably have stricter rules because they refuse to get vaccinated. Ten unvaccinated anti-maskers want to hug her. It’s understandable they aren’t allowed. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by JermajestyDuggar

[JermajestyDuggar]

The anti-mask anti-vax Caldwells have been thrown out of a nursing home because they refuse to follow the rules. Now they are playing the victim. When the real victim here is their mother with a stroke and anyone they wanted to possibly expose in the facility. They are so entitled. Aren’t they supposed to be pro-life? 🙄

Edited June 24, 2022 by JermajestyDuggar

[JDuggs]

The Caldwells really piss me off. I worked at a nursing home during the first 14 months of covid. My office mate (business office) died of covid before vaccines were available. Their rights to do whatever they want trump the rights of his mother and every other resident and employee. The nursing home isn’t going to change their policy because they get some annoying phone calls from Caldwell humpers. Their policies are based on the guidance and mandates of the health department and other agencies. Some of the comments are telling the Caldwells to find another home for her, but the problem is, she’s probably receiving good care there and they’ve probably been able to keep her safe from covid based on their pesky rules. And every other decent nursing home probably is following the same rules. Maybe they should care for her at home.

[Giraffe]

Oh FFS!!! At least have the integrity to stop calling yourself prolife! They get all my roe-is-overturned fury today! I hate that they put the info in their post, too! This isn’t about keeping you from your loved one it’s about KEEPING PEOPLE ALIVE!!! 

[JermajestyDuggar]

I want to make it clear she was not having a stroke while they were there. She had a stroke previously and that’s why she is in the nursing home. But they refuse to follow rules. This is not the first time as they admit. I’m guessing this has been an ongoing issue with them and the nursing home finally had it with them. 

I would love to say to them, “great job ruining grandma’s birthday and making it all about you!” 

[Zebedee]

God, these people boil my piss. And I bet they are celebrating the forced birther victory today, and all the woman who will die from it. Sure, forcing a woman to carry and birth an unwanted pregnancy - or a wanted non viable one - is no big deal, but wearing a mask? Waaaah waaaah, I can't breathe, waaaah waaaah, my rights. My freedom. ME ME ME ME ME!

[JermajestyDuggar]

Sorry I had to make a new post in quiverful of snark about this. I’m just so pissed off that the Caldwell’s just need their own thread! With all the shit they pulled during the pandemic, they deserve it. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by JermajestyDuggar

[Zebedee]

5 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Sorry I had to make a new post in quiverful of snark about this. I’m just so pissed off that the Caldwell’s just need their own thread! With all the shit they pulled during the pandemic, they deserve it. 

You beat me to it! I was dithering in rage.

ETA: I bet Ma Caldwell would *love* to be plastered publicly online like that. Tossers.

Edited June 24, 2022 by Zebedee
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[Coconut Flan]

Less than half in the photo wearing their masks properly.  They think they have the right to endanger everyone in the facility.  ::smh::

[JermajestyDuggar]

I’m sure they will start deleting comments telling them they have to follow the rules like everyone else.

[Zebedee]

4 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I’m sure they will start deleting comments telling them they have to follow the rules like everyone else.

Of course, fundies and Republicans are the only ones allowed free speech, and also the biggest snowflakes on earth. Which kind of makes me wish I believed in an after life and the Hell they'd all undoubtedly end up in... 

I have to say that I did enjoy the second photo of the artfully posed crying children, haha.

[JermajestyDuggar]

1 minute ago, Zebedee said:

Of course, fundies and Republicans are the only ones allowed free speech, and also the biggest snowflakes on earth. Which kind of makes me wish I believed in an after life and the Hell they'd all undoubtedly end up in... 

I have to say that I did enjoy the second photo of the artfully posed crying children, haha.

Yup. Had to have a crying picture to show how persecuted they are. When in reality, Paul and Christina persecuted themselves. Shitty choices have shitty results. That’s life. 

[Cam]

Does not seem very Christian-like to insist on your way vs the health and welfare of the elderly. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

25 minutes ago, Cam said:

Does not seem very Christian-like to insist on your way vs the health and welfare of the elderly. 

In my opinion, fundies rarely act Christ like. I really don’t think Jesus would have broken all the rules, endangering the health of the elderly, throw a fit for having to leave, and then posting about it on social media playing the victim. That seems like the opposite of what Jesus would have done. 

[AussieKrissy]

I get very similar vibes off Caldwell father as I do the Clark (Bates in law father) if not worse.  He gives me the heebee jeebies 

[neuroticcat]

I don’t understand what happened here. His post is confusing.  He says they “complied with everything they asked but social distancing.” That is super vague. What does that mean? They were escorted out because they got physically close to his mom? I live in a super hard core blue state and all we have is masks required in medical facilities. My guess is they didn’t want to keep the mask on for the visit which is so asinine. - like, do you want to see your mom or not? Because so many people couldn’t even get in the same room with their sick and dying  loved ones b/c of COVID. Don’t take it for granted dude.

 And why does the photo looks so staged? His mask is off his face so he can give a compassionate look for the photo, he, his wife, and at least one toddler are in super close to his mom,  and security is just standing in the background. 

And gross to use “children wailing” as though to imply there was some dramatic scene when he goes on to say officer is kind and polite. Poor children are probably frightened and grieving their grandma. It was likely a super scary situation for them to see grandma so unwell even without their parents’ making a deal about restrictions.

I also have a super hard to believe she was nursing the baby, the mask slipped for a second, and they were booted out. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I live in a state that was super firm on masking and sometimes you’d see an employee letting someone know their mask had slipped or whatever, but there was an opportunity to comply - the only people who got the boot were those who insisted on not. This is bizarro, especially given that they live in Arkansas which pretty much had no restrictions for the last two years, right? 

[JermajestyDuggar]

28 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

I don’t understand what happened here. His post is confusing.  He says they “complied with everything they asked but social distancing.” That is super vague. What does that mean? They were escorted out because they got physically close to his mom? I live in a super hard core blue state and all we have is masks required in medical facilities. My guess is they didn’t want to keep the mask on for the visit which is so asinine. - like, do you want to see your mom or not? Because so many people couldn’t even get in the same room with their sick and dying  loved ones b/c of COVID. Don’t take it for granted dude.

 And why does the photo looks so staged? His mask is off his face so he can give a compassionate look for the photo, he, his wife, and at least one toddler are in super close to his mom,  and security is just standing in the background. 

And gross to use “children wailing” as though to imply there was some dramatic scene when he goes on to say officer is kind and polite. Poor children are probably frightened and grieving their grandma. It was likely a super scary situation for them to see grandma so unwell even without their parents’ making a deal about restrictions.

I also have a super hard to believe she was nursing the baby, the mask slipped for a second, and they were booted out. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I live in a state that was super firm on masking and sometimes you’d see an employee letting someone know their mask had slipped or whatever, but there was an opportunity to comply - the only people who got the boot were those who insisted on not. This is bizarro, especially given that they live in Arkansas which pretty much had no restrictions for the last two years, right? 

He’s obviously lying. His mask is down. I imagine that was happening constantly while they were there. I’m sure this has been an ongoing issue with these assholes and the nursing home had enough. The police were called because they refused to leave after breaking many rules. They brought this on themselves.