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John David and Abbie 7: Happiness Continues

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samurai_sarah
13 hours ago, Glasgowghirl said:

Jim Bob was so ignorant. That may have been an innocent enough question to him but in Scotland that could have caused trouble. Sectarianism is dying out but it can still occur. 

ITA. I only had one brush with sectarianism in Scotland, but that was scary enough. Ever since, I do not ever, ever bring up religion in any way, shape or form in Scotland. To Jim Bob it might be a normal question, but thanks to sectarianism, I don't want to know. I have no idea what my neighbours believe in, and I don't want to know.

Sectarianism has taught me that I'd rather talk to strangers about my undies, than religion. I'll develop a sudden enthusiastic interest in ornithology, if I have to, before I talk religion in real life in Scotland.

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Belugaloo
3 minutes ago, samurai_sarah said:

ITA. I only had one brush with sectarianism in Scotland, but that was scary enough. Ever since, I do not ever, ever bring up religion in any way, shape or form in Scotland. To Jim Bob it might be a normal question, but thanks to sectarianism, I don't want to know. I have no idea what my neighbours believe in, and I don't want to know.

Sectarianism has taught me that I'd rather talk to strangers about my undies, than religion. I'll develop a sudden enthusiastic interest in ornithology, if I have to, before I talk religion in real life in Scotland.

Can someone explain Sectarianism and its relationship with Scotland? I quick google search didn't help me out :) 

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just_ordinary
4 minutes ago, Belugaloo said:

Can someone explain Sectarianism and its relationship with Scotland? I quick google search didn't help me out :) 

From what I have gathered it’s a similar issue as the Nothern Ireland Protestant/Catholic conflict. 

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samurai_sarah
46 minutes ago, Belugaloo said:

Can someone explain Sectarianism and its relationship with Scotland? I quick google search didn't help me out :) 

Uhm, it's complicated and I would rather someone like @Glasgowghirl would explain it. But for the now, @just_ordinary has got the long and short of it. It's very, very complicated, due to historical baggage and then some.

I'm not trying to wriggle out of anything, I'm just in a position where I really don't want to set a foot wrong. Please understand. And I know that I'm asking the impossible, so I'll try to keep it brief and hopefully to the point.

(Yeah, that didn't work too well, so I spoilered a long bit of abbreviated history.)
 

Spoiler

 

Ireland was a country that England repeatedly invaded. After 1066 Norman landlords came over to Ireland. Feudalism was quite new to Ireland, but the new landlords adapted. Then Henry VIII happened, he of fame for beheading Anne Boleyn. The Reformation of Ireland didn't go well for the English. Terrible things happened on both sides that created hard feelings.

Cue the 17th century and things got worse. Spain and France as the leading Catholic powers in Europe tried using Ireland and Scotland as a backdoor. They'd tried this before, but things got serious. With a large population of Protestant settlers in Ulster (aka Northern Ireland), and a huge war on the continent, defeating Ireland and Scotland (where rebellions brewed as well), was paramount.

Are you confused already? Add the potato famine in 1848, and the brutal tactics that English landowners used to get tenants off their lands.

But most importantly, Catholicism was considered a religion of terrorism. It started with Guy Fawkes in the 1600s, and stayed so. Being a Catholic meant that you were a potential terrorist. And that thinking is deeply engrained. Not least of all, thanks to the IRA.

What do they have to do with Scotland? In terms of faith, Scotland has never been a unified country. But during the 19th century, a lot of Irish Catholics came over to work. The habitual discrimination against Catholics didn't go down well, and it's been passed down and fossilised. And here we are. All of us. To our detriment.

I'm sure, I've missed out on a load of things that are important. I just wanted to provide a brief overlook, as to how and why. It's hardly a neutral take, but trying to historically summarise as an outsider is a bit tricky.

 

 

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nastyhobbitses
18 hours ago, MargaretElliott said:

I was just having a conversation with my mother.... I moved in with my SO a few months ago and she said "well I guess you guys are pretty serious." She comes from the school of not-living-together-until-marriage. I said that I would never marry someone unless I had lived with them for a significant amount of time first. She nodded and said something along the lines of, "Yeah it's different from when I got married, but not a bad idea." The idea of marrying someone when you've never even been alone in a room with them..... I just can't comprehend it. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

I've heard people (mainly nosy aunts) say things along the lines of, "if you live with him before marriage, he'll drag his feet and never propose," and "if you live together before marriage, what changes afterwards? What is there to look forward to?" Ummmmmmm a lifetime of love and commitment with a totally awesome human? That's pretty cool. If you're marrying someone mostly because you want to live with them/have sex with them, that's a pretty poor reason to get married, in my opinion. I live with my SO because I want to, and I love seeing his face every day. If I ever want to marry him, I'll marry him, because I want to spend my life with him. Simple as that.

Even if you do live apart/save sex for marriage, those decisions should be really small blips in the grand scheme of spending your life with someone...... the person is more important than the penis. You can quote me on that.

It all just reminds me of the John Mulaney "Why buy the cow" routine.

Why buy the cow?” Uh, maybe because every time another cow gets bought, you have to go to the sale and you have to sit next to your cow at the sale, and your cow looks over at you the entire time like *angry cow noise*. And does not enjoy the sale at all… even though SHE'S the one that wanted to go to the sale. And she’s especially mad because that farmer and cow met, like, eight months after you guys met.

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