Branch Trumpvidians

[Howl]

What a damned rabbit hole of hate.  Just another bat-shit crazy person who's found their niche in the Brave New Post-Crazy Trump World. 

Trump’s Loudest Anti-Muslim Twitter Troll Is A Shady Vegan Married To An (Ousted) WWE Exec  @AmyMek anonymously spread hate online for years. She can’t hide anymore.

This woman is bizarre.  She has somehow remained married, even though she is a self-described best friend and camp follower of a guy who was convicted of murdering a woman by slashing her throat.  She's convinced he's innocent, and whenever he's moved to another prison, she moves there to be close to him.  

She apparently has never had a job, unless you consider tweeting hate speech 24/7 to be regular work.  She is so consistent and so prolific, that until now, she was thought to be a bot.  Her husband just got the boot from his work with WWE over her tweets, now that she has been outed. 

The author of this piece reported @AmyMek to twitter over 50 times for hate speech and she still hasn't been shut down in the US.  I hope that will change shortly. 

[fraurosena]

Ugh. This vegan is rather offended by the derogatory term 'shady vegan' to describe this awful hate-spewing, stalker of a woman.

Why is being a vegan 'shady' FFS?

I hate being associated with such people just because I've made the very personal choice of not contributing to the horrors of the bio-industry. People may find that weird, or strange, or stupid even, but that's just their opinion against mine. But being vegan certainly does not equate me with trolls and hate-filled islamophobic racists. And it most definitely doesn't make me shady.

/end rant

[Howl]

I think the title is highlighting the jarring juxtaposition of veganism and hate speech, since one tends to associate veganism with a more thoughtful and enlightened world view. 

[GreyhoundFan]

"The sin of silence: The epidemic of denial about sexual abuse in the evangelical church"

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Rachael Denhollander’s college-aged abuser began grooming her when she was 7. Each week, as Denhollander left Sunday school at Westwood Baptist Church in Kalamazoo, Mich., he was there to walk her to her parents’ Bible-study classroom on the other side of the building. He brought Denhollander gifts and asked her parents for her clothing size so he could buy her dresses. He was always a little too eager with a hug. The Denhollanders led one of the church’s ministries out of their home, which meant the man would visit their house regularly, often encouraging Rachael to sit on his lap, they recalled.

The man’s behavior caught the attention of a fellow congregant, who informed Sandy Burdick, a licensed counselor who led the church’s sexual-abuse support group. Burdick says she warned Denhollander’s parents that the man was showing classic signs of grooming behavior. They were worried, but they also feared misreading the situation and falsely accusing an innocent student, according to Camille Moxon, Denhollander’s mom. So they turned to their closest friends, their Bible-study group, for support.

The overwhelming response was: You’re overreacting. One family even told them that their kids could no longer play together, because they didn’t want to be accused next, Moxon says. Hearing this, Denhollander’s parents decided that, unless the college student committed an aggressive, sexual act, there was nothing they could do.

No one knew that, months earlier, he already had.

One night, while sitting in the family’s living room, surrounded by people, the college student masturbated while Denhollander sat on his lap, she recalls. It wasn’t until two years later that she was able to articulate to her parents what had happened. By that point, the student had left the church. Moxon was furious that her church community hadn’t listened. But she never told anyone what had happened to Rachael. “We had already tried once and weren’t believed,” Moxon says. “What was the point?”

Today, Denhollander can see how her church, which has since shut down, failed to protect her. But as a child, all she knew from her parents was that her abuse had made their church mad and that she wasn’t able to play with some of her friends. She blamed herself — and resolved that, if anyone else ever abused her, she wouldn’t mention it.

And so when Larry Nassar used his prestige as a doctor for the USA Gymnastics program to sexually assault Denhollander, she held to her vow. She wouldn’t put her family through something like that again. Her church had made it clear: No one believes victims.

Across the United States, evangelical churches are failing to protect victims of sexual abuse among their members. As the #MeToo movement has swept into communities of faith, several high-profile leaders have fallen: Paige Patterson, the president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, was forced into early retirement this month after reports that he’d told a rape victim to forgive her assailant rather than call the police. Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels similarly retired early after several women said he’d dispensed lewd comments, unwanted kisses and invitations to hotel rooms.

So many Christian churches in the United States do so much good — nourishing the soul, comforting the sick, providing services, counseling congregants, teaching Jesus’s example, and even working to fight sexual abuse and harassment. But like in any community of faith, there is also sin — often silenced, ignored and denied — and it is much more common than many want to believe. It has often led to failures by evangelicals to report sexual abuse, respond appropriately to victims and change the institutional cultures that enabled the abuse in the first place.

Without a centralized theological body, evangelical policies and cultures vary radically, and while some church leaders have worked to prevent abuse and harassment, many have not. The causes are manifold: authoritarian leadership, twisted theology, institutional protection, obliviousness about the problem and, perhaps most shocking, a diminishment of the trauma sexual abuse creates — especially surprising in a church culture that believes strongly in the sanctity of sex. “Sexual abuse is the most underreported thing — both in and outside the church — that exists,” says Boz Tchividjian, a grandson of Billy Graham and a former Florida assistant state attorney.

As a prosecutor, Tchividjian saw dozens of sexual abuse victims harmed by a church’s response to them. (In one case, a pastor did not report a sexual offender in his church because the man had repented. The offender was arrested only after he had abused five more children.) In 2004, Tchividjian founded the nonprofit organization Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which trains Christian institutions in how to prevent sexual abuse and performs independent investigations when churches face an abuse crisis. Tchividjian says sexual abuse in evangelicalism rivals the Catholic Church scandal of the early 2000s.

Diagnosing the scope of the problem isn’t easy, because there’s no hard data. The most commonly referenced study shows how difficult it is to find accurate statistics. In that 2007 report, the three largest insurers of churches and Christian nonprofits said they received about 260 claims of sexual abuse against a minor each year. Those figures, though, exclude groups covered by other insurers, victims older than 18, people whose cases weren’t disclosed to insurance companies and the many who, like Denhollander, never came forward. In other words, the research doesn’t include what is certainly the vast majority of sexual abuse. The sex advice columnist and LGBT rights advocate Dan Savage, tired of what he called the hypocrisy of conservatives who believe that gays molest children, compiled his own list that documents more than 100 instances of youth pastors around the country who, between 2008 and 2016, were accused of, arrested for or convicted of sexually abusing minors in a religious setting.

The problem in collecting data stems, in part, from the loose or nonexistent hierarchy in evangelicalism. Catholic Church abusers benefited from an institutional cover-up, but that same bureaucracy enabled reporters to document a systemic scandal. In contrast, most evangelical groups prize the autonomy of local congregations, with major institutions like the Southern Baptist Convention having no authority to enforce a standard operating procedure among member churches. This means researchers attempting to study this issue have to comb through publicly available documents.

That’s what Wade Mullen, the director of the M.Div. program at Capital Seminary & Graduate School, did as a part of his PhD dissertation. He collected reports of evangelical pastors or ministers charged with a crime in order to understand how evangelical organizations respond to crisis. Over 2016 and 2017, Mullen found 192 instances of a leader from an influential church or evangelical institution being publicly charged with sexual crimes involving a minor, including rape, molestation, battery and child pornography. (This data did not include sexual crimes against an adult or crimes committed by someone other than a leader.)

His findings help explain a 2014 GRACE report on Bob Jones University, one of the most visible evangelical colleges in the country. The study showed that 56 percent of the 381 respondents who reported having knowledge of the school’s handling of abuse (a group that included current and former students, as well as employees) believed that BJU conveyed a “blaming and disparaging” attitude toward victims. Of the 166 people who said they had been victims of sexual abuse before or during their time at BJU, half said school officials had actively discouraged them from going to the police. According to one anonymous respondent, after he finally told the police about years of sexual abuse by his grandfather, a BJU official admonished him that “[you] tore your family apart, and that’s your fault,” and “you love yourself more than you love God.” BJU officials declined to comment for this article.

That same year, 18 volunteers, staff members and interns at the Institute in Basic Life Principles (including many underage girls) accused its founder, Bill Gothard, of sexual harassment, molestation and assault. Gothard had enormous sway over a small but tight-knit collection of evangelical home-schooling families around the country. One of those families was the Duggars, stars of a TLC reality television show. Josh Duggar, the eldest of 19 kids and former executive director of the conservative Family Research Council’s political action group FRC Action, lost his job after reports that he molested four of his siblings and a babysitter as a teenager. For years Duggar’s abuse stayed hidden as his parents and an Arkansas state trooper — now in prison himself on charges of child pornography — declined to disclose the crimes. (The suit against Gothard was dropped. Duggar’s actions are now outside the statute of limitations. Neither responded to requests for comment.)

Sovereign Grace Churches (SGC), an influential chain of congregations, many located on the East Coast, allegedly failed to report sexual abuse claims during the ’80s and ’90s to the authorities and caused secondary trauma to victims through pastoral counseling, according to an extensive investigation by Washingtonian magazine. In one instance, an SGC pastor allegedly told a wife whose husband sexually abused their daughter to remain with him. When she asked how she could possibly stay married to a man attracted to children, she was told that her husband “was not attracted to his 11-year-old daughter but rather to the ‘woman’ she ‘was becoming.’ ” Two years into the husband’s prison sentence, SGC pastor Gary Ricucci wrote in support of his parole using church letterhead, and the church welcomed him back to the community after his release.

The wife no longer attends. Asked to comment on these episodes, SGC Executive Director Mark Prater emailed a statement: “We encourage all of our churches to immediately report any allegations or suspicions of abuse to criminal and civil authorities, regardless of state law or the passage of time.” He cited a program implemented in 2014, the “MinistrySafe child safety system,” that teaches member churches how to deal with reports of abuse. Ricucci — who, like other local pastors, does not answer to SGC officials — did not respond to requests for comment.

The evangelical defense of God-fearing offenders extends to the political realm. Franklin Graham, CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, said President Trump’s “grab them by the p—y” comments and other crude language didn’t matter because “all of us are sinners.” During Roy Moore’s recent Senate campaign, a poll conducted by JMC Analytics of likely Alabama voters found that 39 percent of evangelicals were more likely to vote for Moore after multiple accusations that he’d initiated sexual contact with teenagers when he was in his 30s. “It comes down to a question [of] who is more credible in the eyes of the voters — the candidate or the accuser,” Jerry Falwell Jr., president of the evangelical Liberty University, said at the time. “. . . And I believe [Moore] is telling the truth.”

It was the same message 7-year-old Denhollander heard: Stay silent, because the church won’t believe you.

Why are so many evangelicals (who also devote resources to fighting sex trafficking or funding shelters for battered women) so dismissive of the women in their own pews? Roger Canaff, a former New York state prosecutor who specialized in child sexual abuse, tells me that many worshipers he encountered felt persecuted by the secular culture around them — and disinclined to reach out to their persecutors for help in solving problems. This is the same dynamic that drove a cover-up culture among ultra-Orthodox communities in New York, where rabbis insisted on dealing with child abusers internally, according to several analysts.

But among evangelicals, there is an added eschatological component: According to a 2010 survey by the Pew Research Center, 41 percent of Americans believe that the end times will occur before 2050. In some evangelical teachings, a severe moral decay among unbelievers precedes the rapture of the faithful. Because of this, many evangelicals see the outside world as both a place in need of God’s love and a corrupt, fallen place at odds with the church. (“New Secularism is an attempt to undermine and destroy Christianity,” warned a headline in Christian Today a few years ago.)

This attitude could explain the 2017 case of an assistant pastor at Agape Bible Church in Thornton, Colo., who was convicted and sentenced to 13 years in prison for repeatedly sexually assaulting an adolescent girl. The police investigation revealed that church leaders and the girl’s father agreed not to contact the police because the “biblical counseling” received within the church was sufficient to handle the case. According to an officer who interviewed the father, “His interest was in protecting the church and its reputation more than protecting his daughter.”

Partly, church leaders tend to circle the wagons out of arrogance. “I’ve worked with churches across the theological spectrum, from fundamentalist to progressive,” Tchividjian says. “They say: ‘I’m the man God’s placed in charge. I have the Bible. I know how to handle this.’ ”

But another, less visible problem is the overall attitude toward sex. Sexual sin is talked about constantly, and extramarital sex is considered a heinous moral lapse. (A student at Patterson’s seminary who told him she’d been date-raped was disciplined for being in the man’s room) It stands to reason that churches don’t want to air an epidemic of wickedness among their flocks.

When congregants believe that their church is the greatest good, they lack the framework to accept that something as awful as sexual abuse could occur within its walls; it is, in the words of Diane Langberg, a psychologist with 35 years of experience working with clergy members and trauma survivors, a “disruption.” In moments of crisis, Christians are forced to reconcile a cognitive dissonance: How can the church — often called “the hope of the world” in evangelical circles — also be an incubator for such evil? “Christians must decide whether to give into the impulse to minimize the disruption of the abuse, or let themselves see a serious problem in their community and deal with it,” Langberg says. “It’s when they find out if they truly believe what they say they believe.”

As an adult, Rachael Denhollander once again found herself at the center of one of these disruptions. The church she attended, Immanuel Baptist in Louisville, was actively supporting former SGC president C.J. Mahaney’s return to ministry. Mahaney had been asked to step down from his role in 2011 because of “various expressions of pride, unentreatability, deceit, sinful judgment and hypocrisy.” In 2012, a class-action lawsuit held that eight SGC pastors, including Mahaney, had covered up sexual abuse in the church. Mahaney and the SGC claimed vindication when a judge dismissed the lawsuit for eclipsing the statute of limitations. In 2016, Immanuel Baptist Church repeatedly invited Mahaney to preach at its weekend services.

Denhollander says she told her church’s leaders this was inappropriate, as Mahaney had never acknowledged a failure to properly handle allegations of sexual abuse under his leadership. But the church ignored her, and when Denhollander went public with accusations against Larry Nassar in the Indianapolis Star, a pastor accused her of projecting her story onto Mahaney’s. When she persisted, he told her she should consider finding a new church. (Maheney did not respond to requests for comment.)

“It is isolating and heartbreaking to sit in a church service where sexual abuse is being minimized,” Denhollander says. “The damage done [by abuse] is so deep and so devastating, and a survivor so desperately needs refuge and security. The question an abuse survivor is asking is ‘Am I safe?’ and ‘Do I matter?’ And when those in authority mishandle this conversation, it sends a message of no to both questions.”

At an untold number of Christian churches and institutions, the silence on sexual abuse is deafening. Statistically, evangelical pastors rarely mention the issue from the pulpit. According to research from the evangelical publishing company LifeWay, 64 percent of pastors said they talk about sexual violence once a year, or even less than that. Pastors drastically underestimate the number of victims in their congregations; a majority of them guessed in the survey that 10 percent or less might be victims. But in 2016, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that 1 in 4 women (women make up approximately 55 percent of evangelicals) and 1 in 9 men have been sexually abused. There is no evidence suggesting those numbers are lower inside the church.

Those who do publicly preach on sexual abuse are often stunned by the response. Kathy Christopher, a pastor to women at Christian Assembly Church in Los Angeles, first spoke on the topic while sharing the story of her own abuse. Immediately, fellow survivors opened up about their experiences, Christopher says. “Sadly, my story was not an unusual story. It was heartbreaking to see how many people needed to talk about this trauma in their past.”

When a judge sentenced Nassar for molesting hundreds of young girls, Denhollander was there; she spoke at length in the courtroom, reminding Nassar that the Christian concept of forgiveness comes from “repentance, which requires facing and acknowledging the truth about what you have done in all of its utter depravity and horror, without mitigation, without excuse, without acting as if good deeds can erase” it.

It was a word of warning for a community that, writ large, has been complicit in minimizing or enabling rape, molestation and emotional abuse within its walls. Denhollander also said that one of the prices she paid for calling out Nassar was losing her church, referring to her experience at Immanuel Baptist.

When the pastors there saw Denhollander’s statement, they began to understand the damage they had done. In a statement released by email this week, the board said the church had sinned in its treatment of the Denhollanders and had sought their forgiveness. (Denhollander says she accepts the apology.) Officials also said that SGC pastors will no longer be speaking at their church while accusations against them remain unanswered. “In the last few months God has increased our sensitivity to the concerns of the abused,” the statement reads. “He has called us to look at our own shortcomings as pastors. He has allowed us to seek and receive forgiveness from those we have failed.”

Immanuel Baptist Church faced a choice, the same one before many American churches today: Face the sin in their midst and make the church a place that follows the biblical command to care for the powerless and victimized — or avoid the disruption and churn out another generation of silenced victims who learn, like Denhollander did, that the church isn’t safe.

Boy, lots of familiar names.

[GreyhoundFan]

I don't think there would be a barf bag large enough if I saw this vehicle in person:

 

[GreyhoundFan]

Wasn't quite sure which tread I should post this in, but I love the video of lizard Rudy. Also, at the very end, about voting in ALL elections:

 

[PreciousPantsofDoom]

Last night while flicking channels, I paused for a brief spell on Fox because it was clearly a political show (Steve Hilton, who I don't know, but found really irritating) and Kennedy (not the dead President, the ex MTV vj from 20 years ago or so) was a commentator.  I don't know when she got into politics, but she sure was annoying.  I couldn't stand to watch very long because there are too many throwable objects in my living room and I'm not planning on replacing my tv anytime soon.  She and the host were blabbering on, in best infomercial style, selling people on Trump amd how good he has been for the economy.  They pointed gleefully to a stat that shows the wages of people without a high school diploma are up 10%.  Yay!  All due to Trumpy and clear evidence that his masterful "planning" is working to benefit the people everyone else forgets.  But Trumpy remembers them, yes he does !     

I had to turn the channel then because they conveniently forgot to mention that business of a bunch of places upping the minimum wage. Do you think maybe that had more to do with increased wages for the uneducated than Trump and his America first idiocy?

[GreyhoundFan]

Awww, butthurt BTs were not happy: "Kentucky Crowd Cheers Valedictorian’s Trump Quote, Then Learns Obama Said It"

Spoiler

Wisdom comes from the unlikeliest places. And on Saturday, Ben Bowling, the valedictorian of Bell County High School in Pineville, Ky., made an inspirational appeal that left his graduating classmates and their parents dumbstruck.

“This is the part of my speech where I share some inspirational quotes I found on Google,” he told the packed auditorium. “‘Don’t just get involved. Fight for your seat at the table. Better yet, fight for a seat at the head of the table’ — Donald J. Trump.”

The crowd burst into applause. President Trump is quite popular in Pineville and the surrounding area, which is the heart of coal country and overwhelmingly supported the president in the 2016 election after he promised to bring coal jobs back to America.

Mr. Bowling, though, wasn’t finished.

“Just kidding,” he said. “That was Barack Obama.”

The cheering abruptly stopped. The crowd went mostly silent. There was a lone boo.

Mr. Bowling was quoting a May 2012 commencement speech President Obama gave to the graduating class of Barnard College in New York City. He offered this message to graduates of the women’s college then: “Women shape not only their own destiny but the destiny of this nation and of this world.”

“He’s very politically aware,” Richard Gambrel, the principal of Bell County High School, said of Mr. Bowling.

Mr. Bowling, 18, and his parents, who live in Middlesboro, Ky., declined to be interviewed.

The valedictorian, though, told The Louisville Courier Journal on Saturday that he quoted Mr. Obama because the president offered a good message. He was aware how the crowd would react, even if he shared it in a lighthearted and funny way.

“Most people wouldn’t like it if I used it,” he told The Courier Journal. “So I thought I’d use Donald Trump’s name. It is southeastern Kentucky after all.”

Mr. Obama is unpopular in that part of the state. During the campaign, President Trump promised to revive the area, bringing back jobs and loosening regulations. Just last week, Mr. Trump ordered Energy Secretary Rick Perry to explore policies to keep unprofitable coal and nuclear plants from closing.

“He told us what we wanted to hear,” Mr. Gambrel said. “He has helped some of the folks who previously didn’t have jobs. Some have gone back to work.”

Mr. Bowling graduated from Bell County High School with a 4.2 grade point average and will attend the University of Kentucky on a full scholarship, Mr. Gambrel said.

“Most of them probably got the joke,” Mr. Gambrel said of the crowd at graduation. More surprising, he said, is that no one was aware whom Mr. Bowling was quoting. “It proves that people don’t read or pay attention,” he added, with a laugh.

 

[AmazonGrace]

Charlottesville Nazi gets GOP position 

 

[Cartmann99]

If you've been hearing people talking about oconus lures and are wondering what that is, here you go:

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President Trump has tweeted out a spectacular new discovery in the deep-state conspiracy against him. Texts from two FBI agents reveal they were investigating Trump’s ties to Russia as early as December 2015, half a year before James Comey said:

The only publication reporting this is Gateway Pundit, a right-wing site known for breaking news of astonishing conspiracies that turn out to be false. Gateway Pundit scoured the internet and found snippets of info proving the Las Vegas shooter was a liberal Democrat, the Washington Post paid Roy Moore’s accusers, the Parkland shooter was a Democrat and the student activists puppets, and so on. Gateway Pundit is so deranged that its editor was removed from a panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference, which is a freak show for right-wing trolls.

The latest Gateway Pundit “scoop” seizes upon released texts from Page and Strzok, two FBI agents who used their work phones to communicate because they were having an affair, which has made their texts public property. Conservatives have pulled several of these messages out of context to paint lurid conspiracies. This text finds that they mentioned “oconus lures,” an apparent reference to spies outside the United States. Page and Strzok were requesting spies, therefore, Gateway Pundit concludes, “the FBI was engaged in Spygate” — i.e., the investigation of Trump’s campaign — “long before they let on.”

Assuming that is what the texts mean, nothing in the messages makes any reference either to the Trump campaign or to Russia. It’s not surprising or scandalous that FBI agents would be using espionage tradecraft. Gateway Pundit seems to have invented the crucial factual element of the conspiracy out of thin air.

It does seem to represent a new step that Trump is citing right-wing conspiracy theorists who operate at a full level further removed from reality than the right-wing conspiracy theorists he customarily cites.

The article has tweets embedded, so please click through to see those.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/trumps-latest-fbi-conspiracy-theory-is-his-craziest-yet.html

[GreyhoundFan]

[GreyhoundFan]

[AmericanRose]

I booked my ticket home for Christmas today. I was chatting with my mother whilst doing so, and since she began to go down the conspiracy theory hole again (did you know Kate Spade was murdered by the Deep State/Clintons?) I decided to let her know that I don't want to hear any of that nonsense while I'm there. During the course of the conversation she came out with:

"I hate people who lie."
First I had to not laugh, and then I had to fight the urge to ask how she reconciles her support of Trump.

[Cartmann99]

I wonder if one of Rudy's ex-wives has some information they'd like to share.

 

[Cartmann99]

Looks like Michael Avenatti got a nibble on his earlier request, but he's keeping the details to himself for now.

 

[47of74]

On 6/8/2018 at 4:11 PM, GreyhoundFan said:

And the Branch Trumpvidians are all about MHGA

As in Make Hitler Great Again.

 

[GreyhoundFan]

[47of74]

9 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

Of course comparing Trump supporters to fucking idiots is insulting to fucking idiots.

[GreyhoundFan]

[Cartmann99]

Today's episode of Avenatti vs. Giuliani:

 

[GreyhoundFan]

[47of74]

2 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

I fucking hate people who celebrate der Trumpenführer and the GOP destroying the ACA.  The entire fucking reason I was able to have surgery last year was because of the ACA making private insurance someone affordable instead of out of my range entirely.  If work's insurance and these Branch Trumpvidians had their way I never would have had the surgery and would probably be dead in a few years.

[GreyhoundFan]

10 hours ago, 47of74 said:

I fucking hate people who celebrate der Trumpenführer and the GOP destroying the ACA.  The entire fucking reason I was able to have surgery last year was because of the ACA making private insurance someone affordable instead of out of my range entirely.  If work's insurance and these Branch Trumpvidians had their way I never would have had the surgery and would probably be dead in a few years.

I'm right there with you. I have multiple medical conditions and if I lose my job, there is no way I'll be able to get insurance without the ACA. Also, my company's insurance improved dramatically once the ACA took effect.

[47of74]

23 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

I'm right there with you. I have multiple medical conditions and if I lose my job, there is no way I'll be able to get insurance without the ACA. Also, my company's insurance improved dramatically once the ACA took effect.

My work's insurance didn't.  It got worse and is now little more than an expensive joke.  If I didn't know better I'd say that was on purpose to turn people against the ACA. 

I'm worried that if I got cancer or some other serious condition the work insurance would say oh you can diet and exercise your way out of it or make it better by getting some on line coaching and fuck you if you want life saving treatment.

[GreyhoundFan]

2 minutes ago, 47of74 said:

I'm worried that if I got cancer or some other serious condition the work insurance would say oh you can diet and exercise your way out of it or make it better by getting some on line coaching and fuck you if you want life saving treatment.

I had to block my insurance company's phone number because they kept calling to push their "coaching services". I listen  to my doctors, not some vague corporate shill whose only concern is saving the insurance company a few bucks. Several years ago, I made the mistake of calling the "ask a nurse" in the middle of the night when I was experiencing a bad reaction after surgery. What a waste of time. I spent 45 minutes having to tell her the last time I clipped my toenails and the average number of eyelashes I lose in a week for her to tell me that "you know your body, if you feel really bad, call the pre-authorization line and go to the ER, or you can wait until your doctor's office opens and call them." Never again.