Lori Alexander, 12: Transformed, But We Can't Tell

[Koala]

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I wonder how it makes Lori's oldest daughter feel when she reads those words?  It appears that she is struggling with infertility, and she obviously hasn't adopted.

Ken said that their oldest was the most liberal thinker of the group, and I get the feeling that Lori didn't agree with her leaving home at 18.  

I almost think this might be a passive aggressive jab at her.  Naturally, being a mother is the only thing of value a woman can do- the "good and right" thing according to Lori, so what does that tell her about her mother's view of her worth as a woman?

LOL about Lori sacrificing sleep.  She has made it clear that she wasn't willing to do that, and that her needs were more important that those of her newborns.

As for sacrificing time?  Thank God for the "nanny sent from heaven" who was willing to hold Lori's baby for "hours a day" when Lori would have happily left her to cry.

You know what Lori says, "crying never hurt anyone".  Sacrifice my ass...

[Colby]

4 hours ago, Koala said:

The more I think about it (and after seeing the quote myself about her daughter not attending high school), the more disgusted I become by Lori's willingness to lie to her readers.  She manipulates people, and she manipulates reality.  

She is flat out lying to these people to try to make a point.

People have excused her, saying perhaps in her mind it's true, but I don't buy that.

She knows her daughters went to high school.  That's not something she's confused about.

She knows one daughter went to community college.  That's not something she's confused about.

She knows her daughter still makes a living dancing.  That's not something she's confused about.

She's lying to these people.  She didn't live up to any of the standards she holds them to, so she lies.

Is anyone NOT kicked off her facebook page to challenger her on this?  I know I'm out......

[Imrlgoddess]

On 11/28/2016 at 1:59 PM, Loveday said:

 

 

I logged out, closed the browser and started over.....the quote box still appears.  May a moderator type person please help?  Thank you!

WRT the medical students sitting around watching porn....I'm going to assume this is in the context that anything rated mature is "porn".  So they could have been watching films depicting procedures that showed the physical body as it truly is. Ya know...without black bars or blurred bits. 

Knowing that she has an education and her daughters at the very least have a high school education, I'm curious to know when this fixation with it being evil began.  When did she start preaching out about it and what happened or what did she see that lead her to this conclusion?  I'm not buying into the "I was rebellious so I allowed them to have public school for a minute" or "I didn't know any better before Debi Pearl changed my life".  Maybe she hates it that one of her girls is more intelligent than she and it makes her feel inferior.  She definitely strikes me as the kind of woman who would compete (even internally) with her daughters, be it for affection from her husband or for attention from anyone inside or outside their circle. 

[Loveday]

@Imrlgoddess , you just want to see my name on all your posts, right? 

[freealljs]

I think that Lori is desperate to have a post on her new website go viral, so she is writing some pretty crazy stuff to see if she'll get another 15 minutes of internet fame. The reviews for her new book are pretty negative. She may not have as much traffic on her new website/blog.  She expects to be recognized when she goes to the store, but nobody knows who she is.

But then, I also think something is going on with Lori (more than usual). She has written the past week about adultery and women going to college. Just very odd.

[Imrlgoddess]

@Loveday  I totally do  

[Koala]

Ken was the first one to comment on the affair post:

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Marriage is worth at least a second chance, maybe a forever fight. It is the trials and difficulties of marriage that will help grow us up in Christ… or damage our lives forever if we let bitterness take root in our minds.

In June she wrote:

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When I was young, I was sure I would divorce Ken if he ever had an affair. Now, I know what a HUGE mistake it would have been.

And then of course, there is her recent thong and yoga pants obsession.  Make of it what you will.

[Shiny]

5 hours ago, Koala said:

Lori:

Yep, to my understanding, that's how medical school works.  You basically just sit around denouncing Jesus and watching porn.  

She wrote the following about her daughter who "traveled the country dancing for Jesus":

That has a ring of truth to me.  She likely graduated from a small Christian school.

The bit about her never going to high school sounds like the lie.  It goes hand in hand with the point Lori was trying to make (education is a giant waste of time).  

I don't think Lori values hard work or education, and it mystifies her that anyone else would find it important.

Wait, porn? I'm trying think of what twisted logic lead to her thinking drs watch porn in med school? I need a certified doctor to chime in here. 

[church_of_dog]

1 hour ago, Imrlgoddess said:

I logged out, closed the browser and started over.....the quote box still appears.  May a moderator type person please help?  Thank you!

I don't know why it happens but I know how to make it go away.

The next time you open a reply box and it's there, click the "blank page" icon (looks like the outline of a page with a corner folded), that is almost all the way to the right on the row of icons.  It will empty your reply box.

If you have already typed something you want to keep, select/copy the stuff you want to keep, then click that "clear page" and then paste your copied text back into the now-empty reply space.

Hope that helps!

[Colby]

Horse of TRUTH showed up on Lori's facebook post!

 

"Ken Alexander 'The issue of college like many issues is one that the person needs to seek the Lord's will about. I would say that a Christian woman who is single can and perhaps should stay in school and improving herself, BUT she must understand that if she is to go to college she must avoid the ones that are left wing brain washing factories. Junior colleges can be a better place to sidestep the leftist and sinful teachings, but even in these schools our kids found some real horrifying things thrown at them in the name of education. Lori does well to expose the pitfalls of higher education, but each one must seek the Lord as we all step around the mud and poop of this culture in making a true Christian life for ourselves and our community. A solid Christian college is the way to go if you are headed to college after getting your GE's done at the city college.'"

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

My BIL is a doctor, specializing in infectious diseases.  Unless by porn Lori means a film showing Kaposi sarcoma lesions or a penis with tertiary syphilis sores ... um ..... No ... there is no porn in med school.  The BIL once described the syphilis film in excruciating detail at a dinner party.

[Colby]

On 11/28/2016 at 10:32 PM, freealljs said:

Ugh, here we go again. College degrees are not worth the cost for women. So, is she going to give back her degree, tell her college that it is worthless to her? Are her daughters? Doubt it. I bet that Lori has a copy of her degree  somewhere in that million dollar home of theirs. Will @Kengive back the money that his business has made off the backs of working women, who most likely went to college or technical school? Doubt it. Freaking hypocrites.  

Also, Lori does read about girls worldwide who are shot at (like Malala) and left for dead, because they want to go to school? I mean, Lori can't be that clueless.  

"The best scenario I see with the women who work in my field is to work part-time hours and having their Mom watching the babies. Some businesses hate part-time workers and I encourage it."  Yeah Ken, I'm sure you give your part-time workers benefits......of course you like part-time workers!

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/07/your-children-want-you.html#idc-container

[Granwych]

7 hours ago, Koala said:

She knows her daughter still makes a living dancing.  That's not something she's confused about.

I am so confoosed--I always thought that fundies were against dancing.  Betcha that daughter never did the "Dance of the Seven Veils."

[mango_fandango]

Fundies all have different rules. The married Duggar women all wear skirts full time. Alyssa Webster and Whitney Bates sometimes wear pants. People like Lori's daughter and Olivia of Fresh Modesty are OK with dancing, the Duggars are not. The Duggar/Bates girls can wear knee-length skirts, Maxwell skirts are never above the ankle. 

[Koala]

4 hours ago, Colby said:

Horse of TRUTH showed up on Lori's facebook post!

 

"Ken Alexander 'The issue of college like many issues is one that the person needs to seek the Lord's will about. I would say that a Christian woman who is single can and perhaps should stay in school and improving herself, BUT she must understand that if she is to go to college she must avoid the ones that are left wing brain washing factories. Junior colleges can be a better place to sidestep the leftist and sinful teachings, but even in these schools our kids found some real horrifying things thrown at them in the name of education. Lori does well to expose the pitfalls of higher education, but each one must seek the Lord as we all step around the mud and poop of this culture in making a true Christian life for ourselves and our community. A solid Christian college is the way to go if you are headed to college after getting your GE's done at the city college.'"

Careful there Ken.  Lori told her readers that her children were sent to Christian college, and weren't exposed to the kind of rubbish the unwashed masses are willing to expose their kids to.

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 There was no way we would send any of our children to an institution like this. Alyssa went to a Christian ballet company where they traveled all over spreading the Gospel. Ryan, Steven and Cassi all went to BIOLA; the Bible Institute of Los Angeles where most of their friends were raised in godly homes and there are godly professors and strict codes of conduct. 

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Ken and I plus our children went to Christian colleges but they certainly don't allow any of the stuff that goes on in University dorms to happen in the Christian dorms. Therefore, we didn't have to see the junk.

Oops...that's awkward.  Ken shouldn't worry too much though, because anyone who's been reading her blog for any length of time probably remembers this comment from Lori herself:

Lori:

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(Daughter 2) went to Biola University her freshmen year.  Biola stands for Bible Institute Of Los Angeles.  It is a good university.  It is one of the handful of universities left that still teaches Truth.  She especially loved her Bible classes.  The professors were good teachers.

She went to a community college near home when she was nineteen years old.  It only cost $400 a semester which was much cheaper than Biola.  The first assignment given to her in her sociology class was a fifteen page study on gay bathroom sex.  She read the first half page full of explicit details and was disgusted.  She showed Ken and he told her that she wasn't going to read anymore and to email her teacher.  Her teacher told her she had to read it or it would affect her grade. 

Gay bathroom sex, she says?  I thought her adult children didn't have to see that "junk"...

Well, surely that was the end of her college career, right?  Nope:

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Several years later when she was twenty one years old and grounded in her faith, she went to the local university.  One class discussed gay sex in prisons. On gay pride day, several of her classes spent the whole class time discussing gay lifestyles.

 

[desertvixen]

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@quiversR4hunting says:

I was trying to figure out the post on infidelity and if she was saying that Ken cheated on her or if the story was "borrowed" from another person.

You were not the only one.  I finally found in the top of the post where she said the story came from a woman in the chat room.

[Koala]

This is interesting.  Today Ken says, 

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The issue of college like many issues is one that the person needs to seek the Lord's will about. I would say that a Christian woman who is single can and perhaps should stay in school and improving herself, BUT she must understand that if she is to go to college she must avoid the ones that are left wing brain washing factories. 

Just last week a woman told Lori about meeting her husband at college:

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I am a stay at home mom but I went to college and got a degree. I also met my husband there! I have never once doubted that was the path God led me on.

Lori replied:

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In 1 Timothy 5:14, we are told: "I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully" (1 Timothy 5:14) so I am not so sure about God leading you on this path. Women didn't even attend college up until recently in the whole of history and they were able to find their husbands.

So Ken tells Lori's readers that they should seek God's will and stay in school to better themselves.  Lori, on the other hand...well, you see how she responded.

I honestly think Lori is embarrassing Ken.  Must make working with a bunch of college educated women super awkward. 

[Imrlgoddess]

Here again, I'm floored with her lack of... Well... Anything educational or rational. When she says women didn't attend college until recently.. Does she mean recent, as in the last 200 years or so? Does she even know when the first formal, "official" college was founded? I think not. Women learning things beyond domestic duties is centuries old. 

I really need to know what her timeline of events is & how she can blindly look past historical fact. (Yep. Wait. Hold on. You're right. I forgot who we were talking about.) 

 

@church_of_dog thank you, thank you. It's been fixed (thanks mod people) but now I know how to deal with it myself in the future. 

[Showtunesgirl]

So I finally read today's post about college education being a waste and wow, I don't even know how to respond. Except that Lori writes 

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It was mostly educated university students who voted for Bernie Sanders. Mr. Sanders wants to tax people up to 90% of their income, thus taking away all incentive to work. Yes, I do agree that for some men a college university is important, especially for men who need to support their families and are going into the medical field but I will never believe that a university education is important for the masses since it accomplishes exactly the opposite of goodness or godliness.

See, my college education always taught me to check sources and cite facts (well maybe it was my academic magnet HS, but college kept me in practice), and I can't find where Bernie Sanders actually stated that he was going to tax people for up to 90% of their income, just Trump claiming that he did. However, I did find numerous articles stating that Sanders alluded to to the tax rate under Eisenhower, which was around 90% for some people. He also talked about raising the tax on the top 1%, so unless Lori's readers make over $400,000/year, the high tax would not apply to them.  As for the second part, I completely disagree. I think a college education is important for everyone, but not necessarily essential for every walk of life. I don't disagree that many college grads don't utilize the majority of what they studied in their current jobs, but many also do not go into a directly related field. If they do, all that stuff they studied becomes the foundation for the further training they receive once hired. In addition, a college education is more than just accumulating knowledge and facts, it serves to further develop critical thinking skills and to present young adults with opportunities to grow and mature as individuals, instead of clones of their parents. In regards to the last part about it accomplishing the opposite of goodness and godliness, my personal experience in college was that it forced me to examine my convictions and my faith was much stronger after graduating than when I started. I did go to a Christian college (Biola was our biggest rival actually), but I was exposed to more heretical theology and ideas there than in my public HS, which is a whole other conversation. My thinking is that if you believe your child's faith is too weak to interact with the concepts presented in public education, don't count on a Christian college to keep them pure as the driven snow and from being exposed to worldly ideas. Those ideas are still there, just dressed differently and seemingly less dangerous in a "Christian" environment (I used quotes because it's just as easy to find atheism/parties/drugs/etc as it is in a secular university). Sending them there for those reasons shows that they lack the critical thinking and discernment skills to function as an individual. But this is all just my two cents.

 

Also, super late, but thanks @Koala for linking me the other day (was it yesterday?), you're the best!!

[Granwych]

8 hours ago, Imrlgoddess said:

WRT the medical students sitting around watching porn....I'm going to assume this is in the context that anything rated mature is "porn".  So they could have been watching films depicting procedures that showed the physical body as it truly is. Ya know...without black bars or blurred bits. 

Actually, a few years before I went to college, (community college that had been previously a Catholic high school) the biology professor did show a short porn film as a warning of what "was out there"to some students who had just graduated from that Catholic high school.  It had been an all-girls' school, the kind where the girls had to kneel on the floor and have their hemlines measured, etc.  So many students complained to their parents that the prof stopped showing the film.  I would have loved to be in that classroom when those girls fled, red-faced and gasping.  I could only imagine what some of those girls' wedding night experiences were like.  Probably no lights on, high-necked flannel nightgowns and a stiff drink (pardon the pun)

I just loved that professor.

[church_of_dog]

19 minutes ago, Granwych said:

So many students complained to their parents that the prof stopped showing the film.

The first three times I read this sentence, I thought it said the students complained because the prof stopped showing the film.  I knew that couldn't be right but that's how I read the sentence -- finally on the fourth attempt I read it properly as a cause and effect!  

[Granwych]

7 minutes ago, church_of_dog said:

The first three times I read this sentence, I thought it said the students complained because the prof stopped showing the film.  I knew that couldn't be right but that's how I read the sentence -- finally on the fourth attempt I read it properly as a cause and effect!  

I really wish that I'd been able to see whatever movie that was played.  Maybe I haven't seen more than three or four of that genre, but I find them silly, awfully made, and the actors and actresses really, really bad.  I end up laughing like a fool.

 

Thanks for fixing that for me, COD. 

[Petronella]

5 hours ago, Granwych said:

Actually, a few years before I went to college, (community college that had been previously a Catholic high school) the biology professor did show a short porn film as a warning of what "was out there"to some students who had just graduated from that Catholic high school.  It had been an all-girls' school, the kind where the girls had to kneel on the floor and have their hemlines measured, etc.  So many students complained to their parents that the prof stopped showing the film.  I would have loved to be in that classroom when those girls fled, red-faced and gasping.  I could only imagine what some of those girls' wedding night experiences were like.  Probably no lights on, high-necked flannel nightgowns and a stiff drink (pardon the pun)

I just loved that professor.

I don't get it. That waves all kinds of red flags to me. A teacher deliberately showed his more sheltered students porn, in order to show them what "was out there"? That is all kinds of boundary-crossing nonsense. I would have complained too. Yikes.

[usmcmom]

On Lori's notebook doodle regarding food, Jilly chimed in and totally stole the submission crown right off Lori's head. I don't think she meant to be boastful but it was still funny to read. 

ETA: Are we allowed to post such photos?  If not, please delete and inflict the proper punishment on me. I can take it.  

[kupcake]

9 hours ago, Showtunesgirl said:

In addition, a college education is more than just accumulating knowledge and facts, it serves to further develop critical thinking skills and to present young adults with opportunities to grow and mature as individuals, instead of clones of their parents. 

This, so much. I grew up in a fairly (maybe very) liberal area with liberal parents, so college gave me the tools to express myself and research fact versus opinion, etc. But one of my very best friends grew up in an extremely conservative area, literally down the street from the Koch bros. She basically didn't know there was any other viewpoint than the one she was raised in. Send her off to college where she can have intellectual conversations about all different walks of life and cultures and religions, and all of a sudden she can see things from all different points of view. Some of her values remained, and a lot of them changed. The point is she was given the opportunity to carve her own life, not her parents'. 

She's Christian and we went to an insanely liberal art school. It didn't make her un-Christian. It made her open minded. Big difference, Lori. But then again, fear is an easy way to force people to believe what you do and never look anywhere else.