Lori Alexander, 12: Transformed, But We Can't Tell

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

"Critical thinking skills"  Showtunesgirl -- what are you saying!!

Blasphemy my dear. Blasphemy.  Don't you know that critical thinking is the last thing Lori wantst *anyone*, much less women, to develop.  

Why .....  that could lead to women actually thinking for themselves instead of blindly following what Lori says God wants.

Begone Showtunegirl, you evil woman with your evil, ungodly critical thinking skills. Begone before you contaminate the rest of us,

[Insert *huge* wink here and read the above with tongue firmly planted in cheek]

[Loveday]

10 hours ago, Showtunesgirl said:

So I finally read today's post about college education being a waste and wow, I don't even know how to respond. Except that Lori writes 

See, my college education always taught me to check sources and cite facts (well maybe it was my academic magnet HS, but college kept me in practice), and I can't find where Bernie Sanders actually stated that he was going to tax people for up to 90% of their income, just Trump claiming that he did. However, I did find numerous articles stating that Sanders alluded to to the tax rate under Eisenhower, which was around 90% for some people. He also talked about raising the tax on the top 1%, so unless Lori's readers make over $400,000/year, the high tax would not apply to them.  As for the second part, I completely disagree. I think a college education is important for everyone, but not necessarily essential for every walk of life. I don't disagree that many college grads don't utilize the majority of what they studied in their current jobs, but many also do not go into a directly related field. If they do, all that stuff they studied becomes the foundation for the further training they receive once hired. In addition, a college education is more than just accumulating knowledge and facts, it serves to further develop critical thinking skills and to present young adults with opportunities to grow and mature as individuals, instead of clones of their parents. 

 

No, no, no... the whole point is for the parents to create clones of themselves! Another reason to keep that quiver full of children far, far away from university life!

[Koala]

We haven't talked a lot about Lori's "Youtubes", and honestly, aside from the first one, I have only watched bits and pieces until today.

I did watch this video this morning, and found it very troubling:

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In Lori's first video I was surprised by the fact the she couldn't remember the verses in Titus that she bases her whole ministry around.  I guess I would have thought she'd have them memorized...but whatever.

But if you watch this video, she seems to lose her train of though pretty frequently.  It's like she forgets what she was trying to say.  A lot of the time I couldn't even understand her.

She talks a bit about how only the Bible can convict, and then later says that she was convicted by a book on simplicity.  She also complains about Black Friday, seemingly forgetting that she held a little Black Friday sale of her own.

https://thetransformedwife.com/black-friday-sale/

I don't know...something about the videos just seems very strange.  Even the way it started.  A mere hours before she posted her first video, Jilly suggested she make one, and Lori insisted that videos weren't for her.  Then BAM!  She has a Youtube channel she posts to pretty regularly.  

 

[Imrlgoddess]

I've only watched the first video in length but I also noticed that she seems to lose words for a moment.  She had surgery on or near her brain, did she not?  Is it possible some of the forgetfulness or double talk is a product of that procedure?  Maybe that's why she avoided video for a long time, writing things out may have been easier for her to organize and for Ken or one of the daughters to catch mistakes before they hit the screen.  Beyond it potentially being a physical issue...she has let her mind go, in the sense of treating it like a muscle.  If all she's read in the last 20 years is one version of the bible and the occasional religious themed book, it may have put a dent in her retention and comprehension ability.  Lori doesn't strike me as the kind of person who will work Sudoku or complex crossword puzzles to keep her mind sharp, seeing as how that would be educational and education is de debil.  

[Colby]

43 minutes ago, Koala said:

We haven't talked a lot about Lori's "Youtubes", and honestly, aside from the first one, I have only watched bits and pieces until today.

I did watch this video this morning, and found it very troubling:

In Lori's first video I was surprised by the fact the she couldn't remember the verses in Titus that she bases her whole ministry around.  I guess I would have thought she'd have them memorized...but whatever.

But if you watch this video, she seems to lose her train of though pretty frequently.  It's like she forgets what she was trying to say.  A lot of the time I couldn't even understand her.

She talks a bit about how only the Bible can convict, and then later says that she was convicted by a book on simplicity.  She also complains about Black Friday, seemingly forgetting that she held a little Black Friday sale of her own.

https://thetransformedwife.com/black-friday-sale/

I don't know...something about the videos just seems very strange.  Even the way it started.  A mere hours before she posted her first video, Jilly suggested she make one, and Lori insisted that videos weren't for her.  Then BAM!  She has a Youtube channel she posts to pretty regularly.  

 

She says she spends a lot of money on organic food, but she wouldn't if they couldn't afford it......Hmmmm, hasn't she said before that organic food is a MUST no matter what your income, something about your health being more important?

[veloma]

12 hours ago, Showtunesgirl said:

I can't find where Bernie Sanders actually stated that he was going to tax people for up to 90% of their income, just Trump claiming that he did. However, I did find numerous articles stating that Sanders alluded to to the tax rate under Eisenhower, which was around 90% for some people. He also talked about raising the tax on the top 1%, so unless Lori's readers make over $400,000/year, the high tax would not apply to them.

The same point was made in the comment section and her source is from Think Progress in Nov 2015

https://thinkprogress.org/bernie-sanders-backs-off-from-support-for-a-90-percent-tax-rate-a81ab70c1cb2#.3gi4xzmgz

[Showtunesgirl]

2 hours ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

"Critical thinking skills"  Showtunesgirl -- what are you saying!!

Blasphemy my dear. Blasphemy.  Don't you know that critical thinking is the last thing Lori wantst *anyone*, much less women, to develop.  

Why .....  that could lead to women actually thinking for themselves instead of blindly following what Lori says God wants.

Begone Showtunegirl, you evil woman with your evil, ungodly critical thinking skills. Begone before you contaminate the rest of us,

[Insert *huge* wink here and read the above with tongue firmly planted in cheek]

Haha, I was actually thinking the majority of this when I wrote my comment, buuuuuut I was watching the DC crossover episode and my mind was slightly distracted by Grant Gustin and Stephen Amell   

[polecat]

1 hour ago, Imrlgoddess said:

I've only watched the first video in length but I also noticed that she seems to lose words for a moment.  She had surgery on or near her brain, did she not?  Is it possible some of the forgetfulness or double talk is a product of that procedure?  Maybe that's why she avoided video for a long time, writing things out may have been easier for her to organize ... 

 

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I have the same problem speaking vs. writing. Mine's due to Topamax (although when I actively have a migraine, my writing and speech both tend to suffer). It could be a brain problem, or if she's on a medication like Topamax, it could be that. It's excruciatingly frustrating, so if that's her problem, I feel for her.

 

(I know people think I'm horribly stupid when they talk to me in person. So I just try to avoid situations in which I have to talk at all whenever possible. It's less embarrassing that way).

[dairyfreelife]

2 hours ago, Koala said:

We haven't talked a lot about Lori's "Youtubes", and honestly, aside from the first one, I have only watched bits and pieces until today.

I did watch this video this morning, and found it very troubling:

In Lori's first video I was surprised by the fact the she couldn't remember the verses in Titus that she bases her whole ministry around.  I guess I would have thought she'd have them memorized...but whatever.

But if you watch this video, she seems to lose her train of though pretty frequently.  It's like she forgets what she was trying to say.  A lot of the time I couldn't even understand her.

She talks a bit about how only the Bible can convict, and then later says that she was convicted by a book on simplicity.  She also complains about Black Friday, seemingly forgetting that she held a little Black Friday sale of her own.

https://thetransformedwife.com/black-friday-sale/

I don't know...something about the videos just seems very strange.  Even the way it started.  A mere hours before she posted her first video, Jilly suggested she make one, and Lori insisted that videos weren't for her.  Then BAM!  She has a Youtube channel she posts to pretty regularly.  

 

I watched the video and at the end of the video my suggestions besides her videos include a documentary on Albert Einstein, which I cannot help but feel a bit of irony over. For those who don't know, his first wife was a well-educated woman, the only woman in his university at the time, she was a physicist and hardly a submissive woman. 

[freealljs]

I watched the video in @Koala's comments. She looks broken and sad, much older than her actual years.  Despite what she has written (and her videos), I feel very sorry for her. Lori needs PT for the brain.  She's physically there, but not all there, if you all know what I mean. 

I wonder if she forgets why she leaves the house (or where she's going), if she requires a list at the grocery store, if she needs to let someone know where she's going and she has to tell everyone when she gets to the store and home. She just strikes me that way, with her video ramblings, that she is very forgetful. It wouldn't surprise me if her insistence of women being keepers of the home and submissive, are because she HAS to be. She can't make any key decisions anymore, so turn to submission and let Ken do it.  

[kpmom]

She looks unwell to me, and I don't mean that in a snarky way in the least.  I almost would not recognize her compared to the pictures posted on her blog.

 

[Koala]

She must be hoping for the college notebook doodle to go viral.  There are a few comments on there that are so vulgar I would delete them myself.

Lori deletes EVERYTHING, but anything seems to go on that post. The only time she's done that before is with the Great Viral Post.

From FB (putting it under spoiler, because it really is way too far imo):

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 Devout men like tight pussy?

 

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That's true, they usually don't know what to do with a pussy anyways, lol.

 

Those comments have been up for 19 hours.  

Then there's this one:

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Bahahahaha! Oh wow, this is some batshit crazy fuckery right here 

 

So much for being "puritanical" about what she sees.  Ken claims Lori isn't allowed to read here because of the language, so it looks like he'd ride in on The Horse of TRUTH and delete those in a hurry.

[Phoebe]

23 hours ago, Shiny said:

Wait, porn? I'm trying think of what twisted logic lead to her thinking drs watch porn in med school? I need a certified doctor to chime in here. 

I know inserting a Foley into a man's urethra gets the average nurse all hot and bothered.

 

(My med-surg clinical instructor, Ms. Claudette, on inserting a Foley catheter into a male's urethra:  "First, you gotta hold his penis like you're gonna wring a chicken neck..."  Lord I miss that woman.  I damn near herniated myself laughing.)

[Phoebe]

17 hours ago, Imrlgoddess said:

Here again, I'm floored with her lack of... Well... Anything educational or rational. When she says women didn't attend college until recently.. Does she mean recent, as in the last 200 years or so? Does she even know when the first formal, "official" college was founded? I think not. Women learning things beyond domestic duties is centuries old. 

I really need to know what her timeline of events is & how she can blindly look past historical fact. (Yep. Wait. Hold on. You're right. I forgot who we were talking about.) 

 

@church_of_dog thank you, thank you. It's been fixed (thanks mod people) but now I know how to deal with it myself in the future. 

The great scholar and logician Heloise (of Abelard and Heloise) was known to have attended Abelard's lectures on medicine, philosophy, and dialectic at the cathedral school of Notre Dame de Paris (the forerunner of the Sorbonne).  She was famous throughout Western Europe for her scholarship, intellect, and gift for languages even before her life intertwined with Abelard's.  For quite some time after she became abbess of the Paraclete, she was better known than Abelard, and highly respected.

In the 1100s. 

But women attending college is a new thing. Sure, Lori.

[polecat]

54 minutes ago, Koala said:

She must be hoping for the college notebook doodle to go viral.  There are a few comments on there that are so vulgar I would delete them myself.

Lori deletes EVERYTHING, but anything seems to go on that post. The only time she's done that before is with the Great Viral Post.

From FB (putting it under spoiler, because it really is way too far imo):

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Those comments have been up for 19 hours.  

Then there's this one:

 

So much for being "puritanical" about what she sees.  Ken claims Lori isn't allowed to read here because of the language, so it looks like he'd ride in on The Horse of TRUTH and delete those in a hurry.

 

omg. 

[Granwych]

15 hours ago, Petronella said:

I don't get it. That waves all kinds of red flags to me. A teacher deliberately showed his more sheltered students porn, in order to show them what "was out there"? That is all kinds of boundary-crossing nonsense. I would have complained too. Yikes.

I didn't see it that way.  The professor really did not know just who the "sheltered girls" were.  He wasn't looking to get any jollies by embarrassing anyone.  He expected that all the college's students were adults and that they did not have to sit through the movie if they found it offensive.  Nowadays, many profs have to issue trigger warnings to their classes regarding content of some of their courses. 

I don't think that I am explaining this all too well, sorry. 

[Petronella]

4 hours ago, Granwych said:

I didn't see it that way.  The professor really did not know just who the "sheltered girls" were.  He wasn't looking to get any jollies by embarrassing anyone.  He expected that all the college's students were adults and that they did not have to sit through the movie if they found it offensive.  Nowadays, many profs have to issue trigger warnings to their classes regarding content of some of their courses. 

I don't think that I am explaining this all too well, sorry. 

Was there some relevance to the topic being studied? You don't mention one.

And even if there were (some very specific sociology or film studies content, perhaps) I would still feel uncomfortable being made to watch porn in a group context. I'm plenty "adult", with college two decades behind me, and, yes, I would find that upsetting. It's pretty disingenuous for the teacher to think it wouldn't be, at the *very least*, surprising and awkward, with power dynamics and group dynamics involved.

Is your assertion that he was right to assume that anyone who is college-age should want to watch porn in a room full of their peers and *with him*? Is it that you think that anyone who has themselves experienced sex (perhaps what you mean by "adult"?) should want to watch porn with some random teacher and group of classmates? And why would you think that everyone college-age is sexually experienced, anyway? College is a time of enormous transition. Do you think it's shameful for someone of adult age to not be sexually experienced, or to be sexually experienced but not want to watch porn with a teacher? Or not want to watch porn at all?

You say that "they did not have to sit through the movie", but in your previous post you mocked those who left. And if they didn't "have to sit through" it, it sounds to me like it wasn't actually relevant to the topic being studied.

I stand by my original conclusion of "boundary-crossing nonsense." I'm not a fan of Lori's nonsense, either. I just don't see how your anecdote does anything other than prove her otherwise dubious point.

[Petronella]

(I'd like to add a small caveat and seem to have passed the window to add to my previous comment. I'm not arguing that there can be no class that uses porn as an element of study. For example, a "sex in the media" class or something like that--though I would argue that private viewing may be more appropriate than group viewing! But when someone signs up for that subject, they would know what they're getting into. The situation Granwych described appears to be a sudden addition of porn to an unexpected subject. It's that "gotcha!" element of surprise that stands out to me.)

[Granwych]

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Oookay...  Like I said, I'm not explaining this as well as I'd like.  I should have mentioned that the class was human biology.  The class was no cakewalk, but we learned the cells, organs, tissues, systems, etc. etc.  The professor of the class was generally well-liked and respected.  He is, unfortunately, deceased now, or I would be delighted to ask him more about his choice in showing the film.  All I can say is that the entire film wasn't shown, just about 10 minutes or so. 

I really don't want to get into arguments about what you call "boundary-crossing nonsense."  Most of the students in the human biology class were in the nursing program, as was I.  Later on, in another class, I sat through a showing of the film "Something About Amelia," which described incest.  As a survivor of that horror, I thought it was important to know what "red flags" I might see in future patients.  It was an awful, uncomfortable class for me that day, but I learned from it.

[Granwych]

17 hours ago, Phoebe said:

I know inserting a Foley into a man's urethra gets the average nurse all hot and bothered.

 

(My med-surg clinical instructor, Ms. Claudette, on inserting a Foley catheter into a male's urethra:  "First, you gotta hold his penis like you're gonna wring a chicken neck..."  Lord I miss that woman.  I damn near herniated myself laughing.)

There were so many, um, unforgettable moments in nursing school.

[Koala]

Today Lori "ponders" whether or not her teaching is dangerous.

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Women who despise what I teach have commented that what I teach is dangerous. I asked the chat room why women believe this and here are some of their responses.

So for an objective look at why so many people feel Lori's teaching is dangerous, she went to a group of women who agree with her, to ask why women who don't agree with her view her in the way that they do.  Brilliant. 

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In the twelve years that I have been mentoring women personally, not one has told me that what I teach is dangerous.

Perhaps not in so many words, but Lori's had people she knows personally reject both her and Ken's "mentoring".

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We have mentored a couple who decided they didn't want to meet with us after the first time. I have met with women who have decided the same thing. They don't like being corrected or told they are doing anything wrong. I seriously doubt they will ever have a great marriage

Honesty is great, but direct quotes are even better. 

(Link to quote: http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/09/brutish-behavior.html )

[usmcmom]

During one of my daughter's classes, the professor asked her "What should you do if a male patient gets an erection while you are trying to insert a catheter or examine him in any way?"  My daughter said "Reassure him that it is a natural response and it's no big deal."  Professor answers with "Well, yes; but any time you are talking to a man about his penis, never use the term 'no big deal.'" 

The class cracked up and the male students agreed. 

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Don't forget Lori has said all women are dangerous, but I guess not her. 

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2016/07/all-women-are-dangerous-women.html

On another topic, I noticed on facebook a few days ago someone asked her what does Ken and her sons do for work? She didn't respond and now I believe that question is gone. I find it funny that these fan girls of her don't know that. She has mentioned it before I think. Also its just a quick google search away from knowing. Before I look to someone as a mentor I google the hell out of them, but these young women just seem to blindly trust those who say they are an authority. 

[molecule]

If Lori really wants to know why women consider her dangerous, she should read her own post. She brings up the subject of abuse and then says this:

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Nothing a disobedient husband can do to his wife can compare to a husband spending an eternity in hell, however. This eternal perspective is what I am trying to teach women who are married to disobedient husbands (1 Peter 3:1). Yes, love may have to suffer long here on this earth (which is really a short period of time compared to eternity) but how can suffering on this earth in any way compare to suffering in the fire and brimstone of hell for eternity?

In other words, an abusive husband will suffer more in eternity than his abused wife will here on earth--as though that means that she should have to put up with the abuse just because the abuser will be punished even more.

It is such a contrast to another post I read this week. Christian author Gary Thomas has written a wonderful piece about how the church hasn't done a good job of supporting abused women: http://www.garythomas.com/enough-enough/. 

His post shows far more compassion for abused women than Lori can even comprehend:

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This woman needs to be protected from such grotesque abuse, and if divorce is the only weapon to protect her, then the church should thank God such a weapon exists.

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Our focus has to be on urging men to love their wives like Christ loves the church, not on telling women to put up with husbands mistreating their wives like Satan mistreats us. We should confront and stop the work of Satan, not enable it.

Now, I get that Lori is writing to women about what they can do. I understand that she doesn't feel she should be telling men or the church what they should be doing. I respect that ideal (although I don't respect her because she violates that all the flippin' time). However, she could still assure women that not all divorce is sinful, that they are loved by God, and that they should reach out to other women to support and encourage them when they are in a difficult marriage.

I've never been in an abusive relationship, and there isn't much I feel I have to offer to women who are--but I at least have the decency to acknowledge the emotional and mental pain and to offer a hug and a shoulder to cry on. If an abused woman came to Lori with her pain, Lori would tell her she is being satanic in her self-pity and that she should go back home.

 

[polecat]

1 hour ago, usmcmom said:

During one of my daughter's classes, the professor asked her "What should you do if a male patient gets an erection while you are trying to insert a catheter or examine him in any way?"  My daughter said "Reassure him that it is a natural response and it's no big deal."  Professor answers with "Well, yes; but any time you are talking to a man about his penis, never use the term 'no big deal.'" 

The class cracked up and the male students agreed. 

 

Also, never ever ever say, "It's so cute!" the first time you see it flaccid.

Not that I ever would have done such a silly thing. Never.