Bates Family: Babies Galore! Part 12

[artdecades]

6 hours ago, Denim Jumper said:

Hmm. I don't want to have to consult Maury Povich, but I'm 100% sure my husband is the father, in spite of evidently a 0% chance of producing a green eyed child

I have green eyes and was born to a blue eyed father and a brown eyed mother and according to that chart there is a 0 percent chance of it. I look just like my dad and my mom so...

[BunnyBee]

6 minutes ago, artdecades said:

I have green eyes and was born to a blue eyed father and a brown eyed mother and according to that chart there is a 0 percent chance of it. I look just like my dad and my mom so...

Blue eyed father and brown eyed mother: 1st daughter blue eyes, next two kids boys brown, last two kids girls (including me) green eyes 

GeNeTiCs

[rainbowbabycakes]

13 hours ago, Casserole said:

 

Caucasian babies usually have a very deep blue/gray to them early on and they can change multiple times before the baby turns 1. Black/Hispanic/Indian/Asian babies all usually have dark eyes from birth. 

I didn't have that dark gray-blue color, I had a much brighter blue... and somehow ended up with yellow-green hazel eyes.

My son had the most amazing baby blue eyes- the kind that people asked if we photo shopped his pics, lol... I got hopeful that they'd stay that color, after a year, then two, then three. But they finally changed when he was around 5 or 6, first to more of a grayish blue, then to the same hazel eyes that his dad and I both have.

[artdecades]

Just now, BunnyBee said:

Blue eyed father and brown eyed mother: 1st daughter blue eyes, next two kids boys brown, last two kids girls (including me) green eyes 

GeNeTiCs

All this proves is that you and I don't exist. 

[sophie10130]

Some traits that we see as hereditary now were possibly mutations in the beginning anyway. So it's still possible to recreate these mutations naturally (as in, not passed down in genes). Also, your parents or your parents parents or however far down the line could have had a genetic mutation that was never apparent (such as a recessive eye color even though no one has that trait) that could be passed down through recessive genes only to come about in later generations.

It's why inbreeding (and in some cases, selective breeding) is so bad for a species. While most genetic mutations may not cause harm, if two people who carry the genetic mutation mate, there could be a problem.

[mango_fandango]

I have hazel eyes. My brother has blue eyes. I remember asking my mum what colour her eyes were when I was little and she replied "sludgy green". Dad's kind of hazel too. My friend used to be blonde and have blue eyes, now she has brown hair and greeny eyes. I'm also the only redhead in my immediate family, both parents and brother are brown haired. Hair's also interesting from a genetic point of view, red hair particularly

[Kittikatz]

One of my best friends is Guyanese of SE Asian heritage. She has six brothers, all with bright, emerald green eyes. It is a stunningly attractive, and apparently impossible, combination. I met them all for the first time at N's sangeet, and had to wipe the drool off my chin (they are all so tall, dark and handsome, yummy) and her Mum told me that all the boys in her maternal lineage have had green eyes since forever. None of the girls get the green eyes, a fact which my friend was quite bitter about.

I have central heterochromia and red hair, despite my mixed ethnicity/race Jewish heritage, so gentics have always been a facination with me

[elliha]

My sister is blue eyed and her husband brown eyed. They have three blue eyed kids and one green eyed. The green eyed one looks like a carbon copy of her paternal aunt so I feel very confident my sister did not have a secret lover... My older brother also married a brown eyed person and they have a more expected two brown eyed and one blue eyed. My kids will most likely all have blue as we are both blue eyed. 

I love genetics too. I come from an area of Sweden which at one point was more isolated so here genetic diseases are more common and most people know someone with a genetic disease. My cousin has a very rare skin condition that is probably caused by my uncle and aunt having a common ancestor generations back as the condition is extremely rare except for people who are descendants from one particular family in a village in my hometown. My aunt's family does come from this village although they have not proven she is related to this family in modern times and my family originates from a village not that far from this village so while it is not proven it is highly plausible that the connection is there. 

[Iokaste]

6 hours ago, PennySycamore said:

@hollyandivy,  your mom has heterochromia iridis.  She's in good company, because the actresses Jane Seymour, Allyson Hannigan and Mila Kunis have it as does Benedict Cumberbatch.  White cats are often odd-eyed as are some breeds of dogs such as Siberian Huskys and Australian Shepherds. There is also sectoral heterochromia where just a section of the eye is a different color and central heterochromia where the iris nearest the pupil is brown or golden and the outer iris is blue or green. I'd look at my dachshund's eyes to see if she has a bit of central heterochromia, but she's asleep.  I think she does though.  It's fairly common in dapple dachsies.

 

I was getting really sick of hearing about everyone's and their neighbour's eyecolour but now we are talking about me, and suddenly it's fascinating! :-P

I never knew it was a thing, just that I have a sort of amber/golden ring on the inside of my iris, that kind of "radiates" into the grey and then a darker grey edge on the outside. Good company there with Benedict, Mila and Allyson :-D 

 

[OnceUponATime]

7 hours ago, Casserole said:

My dad's siblings have red hair and green eyes so it's not like they came from nowhere. The 0% chance on that chart just got me. There's no 0% chances in genetics, IMO. For example, my co-worker and her husband are both caucasian of italian lineage with no family history of sickle cell, no African relatives, etc. Their daughter has Sickle Cell Anemia. Yes, she's both of their daughter lol they tested everything genetically after her diagnosis and there is zero family history tracing back hundreds of years. Someone actually had the gonads to ask her if she had an affair with a black man in front of her husband, SMH. 

I know someone who works in a testing lab. In her lab if someone runs a test purely for genetic screening take your example Child A has sickle cell anemia, they may not comment on the paternity. They must phrase any comment neutrally ie "Person D was tested and has no genetic markers for this trait" even when person D is not genetically related to person A. She said there are a shitload of tests that she saw where the supposed father is not genetically related to the child in question (IIRC around 20%**). I was pretty damn surprised that is was so high.

That said, I do not think it is appropriate to be asking people if they are sure the child is theirs. That is in the none-of-your-damn-business category.

**this is not representative of society as a whole. Google "misattributed paternity" if you want a better non-biased sample size or more information

[seraaa]

7 hours ago, winterdice said:

I thought she was studying?

A recent article said she was completing her community college diploma.

I can't find it, but it was in an interview.

 

[EmainMacha]

M*A*S*H taught me that people from Mediterranean backgrounds can have Sickle Cell trait and anaemia, though rarely. M*A*S*H taught me so much!

[AnywhereButHere]

8 hours ago, rainbowbabycakes said:

My son had the most amazing baby blue eyes- the kind that people asked if we photo shopped his pics, lol... I got hopeful that they'd stay that color, after a year, then two, then three. But they finally changed when he was around 5 or 6, first to more of a grayish blue, then to the same hazel eyes that his dad and I both have.

I loved my son's eye color at birth! They were this deep purpley blue. I knew there wasn't much chance they would stay that way, but I was a little disappointed when they changed. Now he's got green eyes like us. His dad has hazel, and mine are a yellowish green. He's right in the middle. 

Actually, he's kind of in the middle on everything. Looks, attitude, abilities, he's half me half his dad. It's like the genetics gods said, well, you're only having one - we'll split him down the middle. 

Except lately. He's been in trouble recently, so his dad says he's all me. 

[NotAnIncubator]

9 hours ago, artdecades said:

All this proves is that you and I don't exist. 

Same here. Blue eyed father, brown eyed mother. No green eyes in any of my 30+ cousins either. Its all brown, grey or blue. 

[actuallyjessica]

14 hours ago, Analytica49 said:

I've been reading through this thread and following up various links that people provide. That has meant that I have ended up seeing MUCH more of the Bateses than I ever saw before. As I watch them, I find myself becoming more and more pissed off. And here's why:

For the most part, their public image is very positive and (I suspect) attractive to a lot of people. Sure, they've had some problems--the termination of Zach's first courtship; Erin's miscarriages. But the message and the public propaganda now seems to be that their lives are fabulous; they all have perfect spouses; their children are adorable and perfect; their lives are perfect and fulfilling; they have a perfect and sustaining relationship with God; etc.

As I watch them, in videos, photos, tweets, etc., I have to keep reminding myself that their lives are limited, defined by a patriarchal ideology, and confined by rules that are irrational.

So my real fear is that the public IMAGE they project will seduce people, not just into watching them, but into thinking they are fine, upstanding, lovely people, whose values are outstanding and whose lives are models for the rest of us.

Yuck.

 

This is a discussion that comes up very often. I have to ask: how? Let's say somebody watches their show, sees them as a large family with cute kids who seem close without being weird, and generally happy. What happens next? They think "wow, I wanna be like them!" Then what happens? They google them? Go to their TV website? Their instagrams? Where are they spouting where their beliefs come from?

How do you think this supposed conversion happens?

[Diana]

15 hours ago, season of life said:

My parents, my sisters, and myself included have brown eyes. I always thought it would be neat if one of my future children had blue or green eyes. But then I think, how many children would I have to have before that happened?

It depends on the colour of the eyes of your aunts, uncles, cousins, great grandparents, etc. Both of my parents have brown eyes and despite it they only had blue eyed children,  but blue eyes are common in their families.

[season of life]

15 minutes ago, Diana said:

It depends on the colour of the eyes of your aunts, uncles, cousins, great grandparents, etc. Both of my parents have brown eyes and despite it they only had blue eyed children,  but blue eyes are common in their families.

On my father's side, I think it's mostly brown eyes. My mom's side of the family is a bit more interesting because some of them have blue eyes while the others have brown. My maternal grandmother had blonde hair and blue eyes before it all went gray, which stood out in a country where almost everyone has dark hair and dark eyes.

[Snarkle]

My parents and brother have blue eyes - I have hazel so they're green/gray depending on the day with brown centers (I naturally have light brown hair).  My husband has a grayer sort of hazel, although most others in his family have brown eyes.  Our son has blue eyes and is blonde with high cheekbones so he definitely takes after my mother's Norwegian heritage.  I thought my husband's Ashkenazic Jewish genes (he has nearly black hair, mostly brown eyes and brown hair on his side) would dominate our child, but nope, he looks like me and my family, which would seem to be the recessive genes.

[HereticHick]

Sorry to interrupt geneticspalooza, but did anyone notice Michaella's recent comment on her Instagram?:

 

I don't understand how Michael-girl is finishing up her community college courses remotely if she doesn't have home internet access. Maybe she is doing them at a library or coffeeshop.  Or maybe she's fibbing to get the (frankly quite rude) commenter off her back.

[SweetFellowshipper]

3 minutes ago, HereticHick said:

Sorry to interrupt geneticspalooza, but did anyone notice Michaella's recent comment on her Instagram?:

 

I don't understand how Michael-girl is finishing up her community college courses remotely if she doesn't have home internet access. Maybe she is doing them at a library or coffeeshop.  Or maybe she's fibbing to get the (frankly quite rude) commenter off her back.

Seriously, so rude! 

[Snarkle]

4 minutes ago, SweetFellowshipper said:

Seriously, so rude! 

Interesting how his quote was "are you guys too good to ever reply to these people" and then says "no offense" in a way I almost expected a #sorrynotsorry after it.  Considering how many leghumpers comment on these Instagram accounts, it's surprising some of them get replies at all!  (Alyssa handles the haters pretty well, though - she should give Michaella some tips.)  As for no wifi, maybe they will be moving soon and didn't want to set it up, or it was too pricey...who knows.  If anything it gives her an excuse to ignore people if she so chooses.

[actuallyjessica]

Interesting how his quote was "are you guys too good to ever reply to these people" and then says "no offense" in a way I almost expected a #sorrynotsorry after it.  Considering how many leghumpers comment on these Instagram accounts, it's surprising some of them get replies at all!  (Alyssa handles the haters pretty well, though - she should give Michaella some tips.)  As for no wifi, maybe they will be moving soon and didn't want to set it up, or it was too pricey...who knows.  If anything it gives her an excuse to ignore people if she so chooses.

Very soon after she got married and moved to Chicago she used the same reasoning when someone asked her to post more pictures/updates.

[PennySycamore]

To get back to the geneticspalooza, one of my daughters noticed a family reunion of my mom's extended family some years ago that many of my cousins, aunts, and uncles all had the same hue of blue eyes.  When I had to have PT a couple of years ago. my physical therapist had those same blue eyes.  She was the granddaughter of my mother's sister and I'd not seen her since she was a little girl.

[QuiverDance]

19 hours ago, Denim Jumper said:

Hmm. I don't want to have to consult Maury Povich, but I'm 100% sure my husband is the father, in spite of evidently a 0% chance of producing a green eyed child

This chart is simple, based solely on dominant/recessive statistics.  It's definitely not definitive.  Heh.  See what I did there?

[19 cats and counting]

53 minutes ago, HereticHick said:

Sorry to interrupt geneticspalooza, but did anyone notice Michaella's recent comment on her Instagram?:

 

I don't understand how Michael-girl is finishing up her community college courses remotely if she doesn't have home internet access. Maybe she is doing them at a library or coffeeshop.  Or maybe she's fibbing to get the (frankly quite rude) commenter off her back.

Maybe it's a new Gothard/ATI thing not to have internet at home as it tempts men to go to sites that are not approved (porn).  It's a lot less likely that a dude would look at porn in a library or Starbucks.