Jill Duggar Dillard Part 11

[Denim Jumper]

5 hours ago, sophie10130 said:

This is something I only really learned how to do in college. I was NEVER good at mental math. I always failed my times tables, and I counted on my fingers through the beginning years of college too.

But it's not just teaching mental math, this way also teaches something else important that they won't name until about sixth grade, and that's the commutative property of addition. You can add any numbers in any order and still get the same answer. This is true when things get complicated in algebra and you're adding algebraic expressions, and even more complicated when you're adding integrals in Calc 2 and 3, and so on.

In algebra and especially in calc, you group things together that are easier to add and then deal with the rest later. Without an example (which I don't have off the top of my head, sorry), I can't really show you what I mean. But doing math this way, by grouping together numbers you know how to add (10s and 5s) and dealing with the rest later, it gives math "sense" as someone was saying earlier that is PRICELESS later in algebra and calc.

Sorry for those who wanted to visit Free Jinger and not get a math lesson 

That's what I really like: they aren't just learning the steps to solve a problem, they're learning the language of math, and learning it early enough where it isn't overwhelming. With the traditional methods, I could do the work with no problem, but it wasn't until college that I learned the language to explain what I was doing. I had a professor who, on a test, would only give partial credit for a correct answer; in order to get full credit, we also had to label each step of the process (properties, formulas, etc) in order to justify how we arrived at the solution.

[louisa05]

8 hours ago, dpndetfarm said:

As long as we have taken up the homework issue I must say I always have been, am now, and always will be opposed to that nightly homework. Some teachers give it as a packet to be handed on on Thursday or Friday. AT LEAST  through grade school kids need to relax their minds after a day in the classroom.

Ultimately they should be playing and physically active for some part of that play, but decompression is important.  If you didn't get through what you needed to during the day continue it the next day.  The kids who got whatever the homework concept  is in class are just irritated and the kids who didn't get it are frustrated. A teacher can spin it any way they want to, but it is an unnecessary burden and makes the smarter kids with more involved parents look even more superior to those kids who perhaps aren't as bright and/or don't have  the parental involvement a school assumes is there.

The gap gets wider, trees are wasted, and time for childhood is lost. 

This rant brought to you by an educator and parent of 2 now grown ADD kids. 

If my grandson actually takes a nap I will weigh in on the two countries the vacationarians may or may not be in. Right now I am off to rescue tissue paper!

Oh...I decided to spare you my rant about why there should be little or no homework. High school kids doing reading and writing is one thing. But prior to high school, there is very little need for homework. And in preK-3 there should be absolutely none. Unfortunately, when I subbed preschool on Monday (I've had a busy week!), the kids were bringing back sheets where the parents had to sign to opt in or opt out of brand new "weekly homework packets". The letter attached to the form said the teachers were offering it because "many parents have requested that we have homework". I was glad that parents had the option to say no to it, but the fact that many of them were asking for it just shows that parents need to learn more about developmentally appropriate learning. I would think the better response would have been to provide information about why homework is not a good idea for preschool...

[PennySycamore]

My high school math teacher didn't believe in homework and never assigned it.  She figured that if you did your work as a teacher in the class, that homework was not necessary.

[Valerie3kids]

1 hour ago, ksgranola1 said:

Another fibro sufferer here. The first rheumatologist I went to couldn't even diagnose it 20 years ago. All I could tell him was that it felt like something was crushing the bones in my legs. I take Meloxicam now. And Lyrica. No side effects & much relief. And a soak in a hot tub helps, too.

Hugs to you also. Not a fun road especially when it is not "believed". I had one doctor tell me if I walked 5 miles a day and lost 30 pounds it would all be "gone". Poof. I never went back. But, I was very proud I did not slap him. I do go to a wonderful pain specialist now and it makes a ton of difference to just be "believed".

[twinmama]

8 hours ago, Chickenbutt said:

One more thing, then I need to get outta here. My gr kids are required to have a book report and memorize a poem every quarter. The 11 year old decided she was responsible enough to remember on her own. Both are due Feb. 2nd and she has done nothing. Her dad and I agreed to give her the opportunity to do it herself and it looks like it is going to be an epic fail. She is an A student and this will be her "come to Jesus" moment in her academic life. It is killing me not to step in and help her get it done.

Oh god I think I would totally fail that one parentally. I am at the preschooler equivalent, potty training. They are doing great, no accidents any more, undies for everything but night time. I try so hard not to ask if they have to go and trust that they'll do it on their own, but if it's been like 3 hours I start to get antsy and start reminding them! lol Maybe I need to learn this lesson now so when they're 11 I can handle it like you!

[quiverofdoubt]

18 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

Oh...I decided to spare you my rant about why there should be little or no homework. High school kids doing reading and writing is one thing. But prior to high school, there is very little need for homework. And in preK-3 there should be absolutely none. Unfortunately, when I subbed preschool on Monday (I've had a busy week!), the kids were bringing back sheets where the parents had to sign to opt in or opt out of brand new "weekly homework packets". The letter attached to the form said the teachers were offering it because "many parents have requested that we have homework". I was glad that parents had the option to say no to it, but the fact that many of them were asking for it just shows that parents need to learn more about developmentally appropriate learning. I would think the better response would have been to provide information about why homework is not a good idea for preschool...

I won't rant either. Other than to say that all evidence points away from homework through elementary- that if anything it does more harm than good.  No evidence that it helps littles with test scores.

I was lucky enough to go to a waldorf through fourth, so no homework till i switched to ps in later grades.  

I worked at a developmentally appropriate prek. We didn't believe in worksheets or traditional academic work, but play based learning, and best practices. If parents asked I know my director would give them good info on why that would be a horrible terrible idea. But most of our parents picked that school because it was play based and not academically driven.  The kindergarten teachers in our area would tell me that kids from our prek always stood out and were desirable. they were creative, enjoyed learning, quick to pick things up, could make up stories, were attentive and not burned out.  Many of the other prek kids entering kindergarten could read and write, but hated it, and were unable to create a story of their own.

[BullsChargers]

4 hours ago, Valerie3kids said:

Exactly!! The harder I try to find a word the further "away" it goes. Ugh just ugh. The tiredness and pain and then the tiredness and pain. It is a roller coaster than there is no escape from. I never liked roller coasters any way!! Hugs!

This sounds so familiar except I have MS, and what were we talking about again?   

[Chickenbutt]

@twinmama Today as I was leaving the girls with their dad, I told them I would see them on Monday and poems and book reports were due on Tuesday. The 11 year old looked like a deer in the headlights. I suspect she will be working hard all weekend...lol. Or maybe Minecraft will get the better of her, who knows? And I ignored the frown I got from my son.....

[Kate11]

I teach 5th grade. My students usually have about 3 math worksheet to be completed as homework a week. Each math sheet will normally have about 14 problem on it. Most of my students get their homework done in class. I still require them to take it home, show their parents what they learned, and bring it back to turn it in. I get to work with all of my students in a small group setting everyday for math, so I already know which students are struggling, and which students still need help. I use homework as a way to help teach responsibility to my students. They are responsible for making sure their homework gets home, and brought back the next day. It also helps the parents to know what their students are learning in class. 

To me, "Common Core Math" isn't a thing. It's teaching number sense and good mathematical practice skills. When students have number sense and math practice skills, they are able to manipulate numbers. They have greater understanding of numbers and the relationships between numbers and can use this understanding to solve problems. My students are learning that there is more than one way to solve math problems. The mathematical understanding that looks difficult in younger grades, can be applied to things they will be learning in other grades. Take ten frames for example, if students in kindergarten know that 6 and 4 makes 10, then by the time they get to 1st and 2nd grade they can apply that knowledge to know that 60 and 40 will make 100, and 600 and 400 will make 1,000. They can also apply this same concept to adding 34 + 46 mentally. They would know that 30 + 40 is 70, and 6 + 4=10, therefore 34 + 46 = 80. It is all about mathematical understanding and the relationships between numbers, and I think it's something that they students need to be learning. Sorry for the rant, I'll get off my Common Core soapbox now . . . 

[GreenTea]

There are pros and cons to homework, how much given, and for types of homework (worksheets, projects, reading/writing, technology, video/flipped classroom, review/practice games, community service, and so on), but... 

More important then the homework debate is that it takes everybody pulling their weight to advance. Teachers, students, parents, and the community all have a part in education. Most teachers are overwhelmed with large classes and limited resources. They have to teach kids with different learning styles AND often raise them to be thoughtful human beings with matters who think about others! Once teachers were listened to. Now parents blame them if their little angel isn't getting straight A's and has a behavior problem. It couldn't possibly be their fault. Sending your kid to school for all their education is crazy. Parents need to be educating their kids at home too. With between 20-30 something kids in one room with ONE teacher it's just too much. She/he is not a magic education machine! At least review the subject concepts taught that week in their classroom at home. You don't have to call it homework if you don't want to.  

[IrishCarrie]

As a person living in Ireland, I want to express my deep sadness that we don't have a store called Piggly Wiggly. I believe every country should have one.

I also believe that whoever named it was smoking some seriously good shit.

[vienna]

According to tabloids Jill might not stay in mission - land and return to the US. I don't think the tabloids know anything but my guess in general would be that Jill is not happy.  Sehe does not speak the language and figured that she is also not good at learning. Especially beeing sozrounded by so much real world will be hard for her. She is of no use to anyone there and all alone with the baby. I really don't believe she is happy. And the virus is surely not making things better since I don't believe for a second that she would take birth control because of it. 

[VelociRapture]

1 hour ago, IrishCarrie said:

As a person living in Ireland, I want to express my deep sadness that we don't have a store called Piggly Wiggly. I believe every country should have one.

I also believe that whoever named it was smoking some seriously good shit.

I'm imagining this being said in a beautiful Irish brogue - it made me feel all warm and happy.

[caszandra]

14 hours ago, ksgranola1 said:

Another fibro sufferer here. The first rheumatologist I went to couldn't even diagnose it 20 years ago. All I could tell him was that it felt like something was crushing the bones in my legs. I take Meloxicam now. And Lyrica. No side effects & much relief. And a soak in a hot tub helps, too.

A hot bath is bliss when I'm in a lot of pain.  I was quite lucky with my Doctors, I was diagnosed 3yrs ago so fibro was the first thing they went to after ruling out arthritis.  I tried Lyrica (pregabalin in the UK) but found it didn't really help me and it made me put on a lot of weight.  I have another similar drug called Gabapentin still to try but my GP thinks I would likely get the weight gain with that so want to use it only as a last resort.  I do use Amitriptyline, Diclofenac and Co-Dydramol which do help but only takes the edge of the pain, nothing takes it away completely. 

[ClaraOswin]

Those with fibro and MS and whatnot...be sure to check out the chronic pain thread. It's in the Are You There, FJ section of the forum.

 

 

[MotherOfDragons]

Coincidentally,  I DO have a Piggly Wiggly (lovingly referred to as the Hoggly Woggly) t-shirt, and it's very high quality & super comfy. I live in SC, and our Piggly Wiggly has the best selection of local produce and meats, a bakery, along with an extensive exotic foods aisle. It has much more variety than the local Publix, Kroger, Food Lion, or WalMart have. The prices are also unbeatable, and the sales are amazing! 

[socalrules]

3 hours ago, vienna said:

According to tabloids Jill might not stay in mission - land and return to the US. I don't think the tabloids know anything but my guess in general would be that Jill is not happy.  Sehe does not speak the language and figured that she is also not good at learning. Especially beeing sozrounded by so much real world will be hard for her. She is of no use to anyone there and all alone with the baby. I really don't believe she is happy. And the virus is surely not making things better since I don't believe for a second that she would take birth control because of it. 

Oh I am sure they won't finish the mission because Jill is likely already bored and missing the rules of Jim Bob and Michelle. Hell, she is probably freaking out everyday having to make her own decisions and tend to her own baby. 

I am not sure why everyone is wondering what Jill will do because of Zika. Why assume she even cares? She nearly killed herself and Izzy because she decided to play uneducated doctor. The only thing she likely worries about is breaking the rules of the almighty Gothard. A woman who lacks critical thinking skills is not debating the merits of getting pregnant or using BC in an area where there is an outbreak of Zika. Her only concern is likely which sister mom will become an aunt mom to her kids since Duggar Moms don't raise their own children. Let's not use logic in the illogical world of Duggar. 

[caszandra]

@ClaraOswin, I don't have enough posts yet for AYTFJ but I'm slowly but surely getting there, will join you when I can.

[RosyDaisy]

http://heavy.com/news/2016/01/zika-virus-map-where-in-the-us-united-states-arkansas-california-florida-new-york-jersey-texas-oregon-minnesota-montana-mexico-mosquitoes-spread/

There are now 31 cases of Zika virus reported in the U.S. All cases were transmitted from other countries. The states affected are:

Arkansas

California

Florida

New York

Virginia

New Jersey

Texas

Oregon

Minnesota

Illinois

Texas

Hawaii

Wisconsin

Montana (not confirmed yet)

[PennySycamore]

@AshSC,  my daughter used to work in a small town in upstate SC with now-closed Piggly Wiggly.  They called it the Pig.

[MatthewDuggar]

25 minutes ago, PennySycamore said:

@AshSC,  my daughter used to work in a small town in upstate SC with now-closed Piggly Wiggly.  They called it the Pig.

Most people I know here in Florida call it "The Pig" too.

[countressrascal]

36 minutes ago, MatthewDuggar said:

Most people I know here in Florida call it "The Pig" too.

Their  motto when I was a kid "Piggly Wiggly around the corner Piggy Wiggly around the world." I have a measuring cup from the them circa 1960, they use to invite Home Ec classes to the store so we could learn about meat cuts, then they gave you a measuring cup and apron. I learned how to break down a chicken from the butcher at Piggy Wiggly during my Jr High Home Ec class, a skill I still use today. One of the peaks of growing up in the South.

[socalrules]

My grandparents grew up in the south during a time they were considered second class citizens. Their families left for California and refused to ever go back. I remember my grandmother flipping out when my cousin went on a college tour of the south because she was worried about what he would face and it was already the 1990s. I never thought about the south much until I was an adult and realized their where all these cool places I wanted to visit, New Orleans, Charlston, Atlanta, etc. Let's not even talk about how a girl who grew up on southern food needs to eat her way through the south.

I say this because a lot of our stereotypes are based on what we learned growing up. My grandparents had nothing nice to say about the south because they grew up during a time where as African Americans they were discriminated against and feared for their lives. To them the south held nothing for them and their families. What we thought about the south was based on th experiences of our elders. So none of us ever thought about going to the south for anything. It was a shock when another cousin chose to go to Tulane. They couldn't see that a time would come where we could go to the south, to live or visit, and get the same benefits of it as everyone else regardless of color. 

That being said, I feel like I need a shopping bag that says Piggly Wiggly, preferably with a pig snout on it. 

[MoonFace]

On 1/29/2016 at 8:12 AM, WhyNotJulie said:

Really sorry if this has already been discussed - but now that Guatemala is listed as one of the places that "pregnant women should avoid" ( or where women should avoid becoming pregnant) due to the Zika virus, do you think the Dillards might implement some form of natural family planning..?

Can't see that happening.   Jilly has to be available to her husband at all times.    

If she gets pregnant and there is a health issue with the baby she can always bring it back to the states 'for medical care' and leave it with CinderJana to take to doctor appointments.   That will leave Jilly free to go back to being available for her husband.   

[jcanglin991]

19 hours ago, Valerie3kids said:

Hugs to you also. Not a fun road especially when it is not "believed". I had one doctor tell me if I walked 5 miles a day and lost 30 pounds it would all be "gone". Poof. I never went back. But, I was very proud I did not slap him. I do go to a wonderful pain specialist now and it makes a ton of difference to just be "believed".

My last rheumatologist told me the same. I asked her when I was supposed to fit that in around being my bedridden mother's caregiver and the fact that the rare times any of my siblings gave me a break was after they did all the things they absolutely had to do, you know, like going out to eat and trips out of town each every week for one of them. The other simply refused to help.   It's hard to muster up energy for exercise at nine p.m. when you've been up all day and most of the night. I hate to say this because I miss her so much but it was a blessing for both of us when Mama died because she hated being confined to the bed with a catheter and on  a feeding tube. Plus she had the cognitive problems that go along with advanced parkinsons in the elderly, so it wasn't a good life. This was a woman who was an RN till she was 75 and having to be dependent on someone else  for everything was really upsetting. Writing this upsetting too so I'll sign off.