The Duggar Interview - With Megyn Kelly

[1st wiccan fundie]

I would really love to know how someone sleeps through someone else fingering their vagina. Hell, if my husband rolls over and touches my arm, it wakes me up. Granted, I'm a light sleeper, but still.

In the police report, I swear it said that one of the girls told on Josh, but now the girls were asleep and didn't even know it happened.

I know that whatever did happen is so much much worse than they are letting on. These people are lying sacks of shit. :wtf:

He may not of inserted his fingers and touched the outside. Not by going by the duggars excuse of, " lightly over the panties, "... just an idea as they are liars.Plus, remember most children sleep very, very deepy. Most adults do not sleep as sound. Lots of children I know, including the one I have have slept through events that should of woken the dead!

[Jdawg]

How did the girls "not know" and "not remember" what happened to them; but in the police report, one of the girls burst out crying and the others told police what they remembered?

Yes! And one of the girls said that Josh was more "tame" when he came back after three months away working construction. It seemed obvious that they were afraid of him and he must have been really wild and just unable to control his sick impulses when he was around his little sisters.

I wish someone could cite directly like a play by play account from the police reports where they contradict what JB and Michelle said in this interview, even with images of the exact text from the police report. It's sad that FJ has to do all the hard work so journalists will pick it up.

[Snarkle Motion]

Yes! And one of the girls said that Josh was more "tame" when he came back after three months away working construction. It seemed obvious that they were afraid of him and he must have been really wild and just unable to control his sick impulses when he was around his little sisters.

I wish someone could cite directly like a play by play account from the police reports where they contradict what JB and Michelle said in this interview, even with images of the exact text from the police report. It's sad that FJ has to do all the hard work so journalists will pick it up.

Get on it Free Jinger! Between all of us I'm sure we could crowd source contradictions to every statement they made in the interview.

[The Duggar's Mohel]

Another poster mentioned earlier in this thread (or another) that they know a couple that wound up divorced over a situation like this. The wife told her husband of 20 years that her brother molested her as a child. He didn't respect her requests that he not say anything and he caused a scene at a family party. She filed for divorce because he disregarded how she felt.

It is entirely possible that Derick and Ben are doing their best to respect what their wives want in this situation by not stepping forward or speaking out. Can you imagine how difficult things would be for Jill or Jessa if they were caught in the middle between their husbands and families?

You raise a great point, and this could easily be the case.

It also might be neither of them want to rock the boat and be excluded from any possible future shows. Money always is a deciding factor in these things and we know it has been in the whole sorted Duggar saga up till now.

[FundieFarmer]

Get on it Free Jinger! Between all of us I'm sure we could crowd source contradictions to every statement they made in the interview.

I've thought about doing this, largely for my own reference because I'm starting to feel very lost with what I know and what I don't know.

If there's significant interest I'll put it together tonight/tomorrow in time for tomorrow's interview. If mods approve/want, I'll start a thread or something so it can be tracked there or simply just locked for reference.

[elsabee]

Yes! And one of the girls said that Josh was more "tame" when he came back after three months away working construction. It seemed obvious that they were afraid of him and he must have been really wild and just unable to control his sick impulses when he was around his little sisters.

I wish someone could cite directly like a play by play account from the police reports where they contradict what JB and Michelle said in this interview, even with images of the exact text from the police report. It's sad that FJ has to do all the hard work so journalists will pick it up.

Let's do it. I'll help, if someone wants to assign me a portion of the interview.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

Eyes for Lies is a scientifically verified "truth wizard" who blogs about people in the news. I found this fascinating--she wrote this without knowing anything about the Duggars beyond the most minimal information.

eyesforlies.com/blog/2015/06/the-duggars-and-molestation/

I have to disagree with some of what this article said.

I do believe Josh went to his parents and probably on more than one occasion.

He was brought up to confess his sins and seek forgiveness. He didn't see what he was doing as anything worse than any other sin but he knew what he was doing was wrong and he wanted to stop having those impulses.

His horrible parents dismissed his cries for help and allowed him to continue his destructive behavior.

I also believe it is likely many BUT NOT ALL the incidents involved sleeping girls. Sleeping children don't stop you or tell on you.

I do agree that there is much more to the story about why they spoke to Hutchens. I don't believe they knew he liked kiddie porn but I do believe they knew enough that he wouldn't take it so far as to bring it to the DA etc.... I also think they probably hemmed and hawed and spoke in generalities so to diminish what Josh had actually done. That doesn't excue the cop for not doing his job. However, it explains why JB did such an illogical move to "contact" police. He never "contacted" police he just went to a friend to scare Josh and fulfill his biblical understanding of rendering unto Caesar...

That is part of this fiasco I want answered because to date there has not been an explanation thag passes the smell.test for me.

[jarona]

You raise a great point, and this could easily be the case.

It also might be neither of them want to rock the boat and be excluded from any possible future shows. Money always is a deciding factor in these things and we know it has been in the whole sorted Duggar saga up till now.

Sadly, I think you are correct! It's probably all about the money with these two husbands. I also think that since Jim Bob "picked" them to be the husbands of his daughters, they could feel loyalty to JB first. It's all so pathetic--and wrong--and I despise TLC just as much because they HAD to be aware of this.

[justbecause]

Thats really a great article. Hopefully the other networks will run with the chance to call Fox out on a blatant lie about the "illegal" release and force a retraction. :popcorn2:

Yes, the article is very good. Thank God not everyone is buying in to the Duggars b.s.

I loved how J.B. stated how much he is for keeping the records of minors under wraps. When he was in the senate I didn't see him so hell bent on this topic. * smoke ~ and ~ mirrors *

[ApologistsBeDamned]

Haha. Shep Smith just played the part of interview where Jessa says "Josh isn't a pedophile or child molester or rapist..."

And Shep said "under the law by definition he is a molester"

"Meantime Sarah Palin weighs, in as you might imagine, blames the Duggar problems on the liberal media."

[The Duggar's Mohel]

Haha. Shep Smith just played the part of interview where Jessa says "Josh isn't a pedophile or child molester or rapist..."

And Shep said "under the law by definition he is a molester"

"Meantime Sarah Palin weighs, in as you might imagine, blames the Duggar problems on the liberal media."

I hate it when the liberal media makes a guy molest a five year old sibling!

[justbecause]

I'm glad that Fox exposed them in a not-so-handsome light. The Jill/Jessa interview was a curve ball, but OTHER than that, I'm grateful that the interview itself helped to taint the Duggar brand. The best part is that JB&M did it all by themselves.

I'm so happy that mainstream people, who would have otherwise thought "What a cute religious family," are now seeing the Duggars for the abusive cult they are.

The one thing that totally threw me off was the emphasis on that the records should have never been released and that this was some kind of payback to the family. That threw me off really bad while I was watching it because I had not expected that they would have taken that route. I think they did do a fairly good job of bringing it back to that topic as a point to change the questions or too not answer.

Then just when I had gotten over it, they start showing the clips of the two girls for friday talking about 'how as victims the records should have never been released outing us (them) as victims'. I did not see that coming at all.

[The Duggar's Mohel]

I'm not sure if anyone has raised this yet, if so I'm sorry for being repetitive.

With all Boob's bluster about the being "leaked Illegally", which we all know it wasn't, no charges, no arrest, subjects into adulthood and redacted names. the law is clear, it was a lawful release.

Has Boob done the right thing and gone to the authorities straight away and Josh had been prosecuted as a minor, it would have been a slap on the wrist and that police report could not have been released at anytime.

Boob, what a complete moron.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I hate it when the liberal media makes a guy molest a five year old sibling!

So true. Ha I just noticed your forum name. That's another indictment against this famiky being Sharia like as I was alluding to earlier. They circumcise.

[FundieFarmer]

Just FYI, I've started putting the accuracies/inaccuracies list together...because why not. I'll link to it when I have it finished.

ETA: I will note Megyn's inaccuracies as well as the Duggars'.

[Dandruff]

A few questions and thoughts, based on the best of my recollections:

- Jim Bob said he took Josh to work with him. Where was that? I thought their income at that time was basically rent checks.

- If Michelle and Jim Bob had instituted safeguards and had been watching Josh all the time vs. "like" all the time then he shouldn't have had to make that second and third confession, right?

- Shouldn't the girls, after Josh's first confession + lessons to the girls about inappropriate touch + watching Josh + other safeguards have reported Josh vs. Josh (and his soft heart) feeling the need to confess again? Didn't the police report indicate that one or more of the girls had reported Josh?

- Sounds like Jim Bob was saying that Josh only touched the girls over their clothes except for when he touched them under their clothes. Did I get that right?

- In the world according to Gothard, I thought children were expected to act as young adults by the time they're 12. Now they're referring to Josh, at the time, as a "young teenager", a "child", and that the legal cutoff for a pedophile diagnosis is 16?

- Without speculating on who victim #5 was (I don't want to know), was it a good idea for Jim Bob and Michelle, under the circumstances, to leave the house and hire a female teenager vs. an adult as a babysitter? Also, why was the babysitter sleeping? Was she babysitting overnight?? Something's really not adding up for me here.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I think the Duggars are going to bend over backwards to change the narrative that the true crime was the release of the records and that the victims were actually victimized by their release of them more than Josh touching them over clothes while they slept.

They are praying hard that the media buys this load of crap they are peddling.

Nevermind it is all falsehoods.

[The Duggar's Mohel]

So true. Ha I just noticed your forum name. That's another indictment against this famiky being Sharia like as I was alluding to earlier. They circumcise.

Do they? I had no idea,

The name came from one of the many names my crappy band has had over the years.

Some others have been : 668 Neighbor The Beast and Drowning not Waiving.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

A few questions and thoughts, based on the best of my recollections:

- Jim Bob said he took Josh to work with him. Where was that? I thought their income at that time was basically rent checks.

- If Michelle and Jim Bob had instituted safeguards and had been watching Josh all the time vs. "like" all the time then he shouldn't have had to make that second and third confession, right?

- Shouldn't the girls, after Josh's first confession + lessons to the girls about inappropriate touch + watching Josh + other safeguards have reported Josh vs. Josh (and his soft heart) feeling the need to confess again? Didn't the police report indicate that one or more of the girls had reported Josh?

- Sounds like Jim Bob was saying that Josh only touched the girls over their clothes except for when he touched them under their clothes. Did I get that right?

- In the world according to Gothard, I thought children were expected to act as young adults by the time they're 12. Now they're referring to Josh, at the time, as a "young teenager", a "child", and that the legal cutoff for a pedophile diagnosis is 16?

- Without speculating on who victim #5 was (I don't want to know), was it a good idea for Jim Bob and Michelle, under the circumstances, to leave the house and hire a female teenager vs. an adult as a babysitter? Also, why was the babysitter sleeping? Was she babysitting overnight?? Something's really not adding up for me here.

A lot doesn't add up.

We know they didn't cooperate with the investigation and refused to bring Josh in even after two lawyers refused to rep him.

When was this professional therapy? It had to be after 2007 - 4 years after the supposed last incident because in the report the only kid who got therapy was josh and that was only in Ltl Rock.

They made out like they did it before they were forced to.

The entire thing sticks to high heaven of obfuscations.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

Do they? I had no idea,

The name came from one of the many names my crappy band has had over the years.

Some others have been : 668 Neighbor The Beast and Drowning not Waiving.

Ha it is funny band name.

[longskirts]

I'm disgusted by the Duggars' response but at the same time, it worries me that victims can be identified to the press like this. Even with the names redacted, it's very easy to figure out who some of the children are. If this is legal, the law should be changed. Jim Bob and Michelle deserve to have their actions criticized by the public but the girls do not deserve to be known as victims. Yes, it's their parents' fault for putting them on TV but the legal system should not be helping to ID them.

[snowmebo]

UGH I want an Anderson Cooper interview SO BAD

I'm sure they wouldn't talk to Anderson Cooper. He has the gay, you know.

[LilahBelle]

Sorry if mentioned before, but I've been trying to work....

Anyway, I've noticed JB try and downplay what happened by stating the girls are asleep - they hardly noticed kind of thing. Admittedly, I only perused the police report a few weeks back, but isn't there detail, first hand accounts, from most if not all of these girls, who recounted the incidents many years later? If they were going to prosecute, but for the SOL, you need first hand accounts - anything else would have been hearsay. So they weren't asleep and knew full well what was going on, each of them at least once.

[Jdawg]

My final thought is this family is no different than Muslims who think we should all live under Sharia law.

Girls tempt men. Men aren't responsible for self control. Allow church and parents to mete out punishment. Distance from god leads you to do wrong. Dictate clothing. They should just join ISIS - they have a lot in common.

If only the media would do a whole exposé on this. It would make people realize the reason why JB and Michelle are downplaying the abuse because they devalue/dehumanize women in general.

Giving the Duggars a reality show was no different than it would have been to make a prominent Taliban family into reality stars. These are not the kind of people to whom we should be giving platform. They are dangerous because, just like the Taliban, they would love to see our country become a patriarchal theocracy.

The sooner mainstream Christains realize this the better. If this were widely understood, there's no way the Duggars can get away with playing persecuted martyrs and the show MUST end. There's a whole lot thats sinister in this family's way of life that goes much deeper than Josh having been/being a sexual predator. Let's see a 20/20 in depth investigation into Gothardism and what should be considered the Christian Taliban among us.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I'm disgusted by the Duggars' response but at the same time, it worries me that victims can be identified to the press like this. Even with the names redacted, it's very easy to figure out who some of the children are. If this is legal, the law should be changed. Jim Bob and Michelle deserve to have their actions criticized by the public but the girls do not deserve to be known as victims. Yes, it's their parents' fault for putting them on TV but the legal system should not be helping to ID them.

It was only easy to identify that they were daughters of Jim Bob and Michelle. Under normal circumstances it would be very hard to identify a victim in a report redacted in that manner.

We don't even know with any sort of certainty who the non sib victim is because it is supposed to be protected with redaction and was with the same leval as the other four.

We didn't even know which of the five female siblings are the four sib victims.

So don't let this special circumstance be the bar you gauge all redacted reports.