The Duggar Interview - With Megyn Kelly

[EmmieJ]

So Jim Bob ain't the stellar negotiator he thinks he is. I'm sure they make more through residuals on reruns. Still, that's basically a criminal salary from what TLC makes off them.

Alert to all who have claimed TLC has no role in this debacle!

I don't know what deal JB has with TLC, but I do know it would be very unusual for TLC to pay any of their reality stars residuals for re-runs. I believe the usual deal is $XX.XX per episode, and that's it. Each year, that amount can be renegotiated. Maybe JB was able to get residuals for re-runs, but I'd be surprised.

[for_the_Kitties]

I think when the cameras are on they can hold the girls. I don't think they will inappropriately touch them during televised events or photos in the large family group. But JB should have clarified that. I think the cameras did provide some monitoring of the children and might have been a bonus in the safeguard department.

I agree. I think the cameras and the show helped the family in some ways. Yes the girls are victims but having the crew there probably saved them a ton of worry about watching out for their prepubescent brothers (or josh) with the little girls.

[for_the_Kitties]

I don't know what deal JB has with TLC, but I do know it would be very unusual for TLC to pay any of their reality stars residuals for re-runs. I believe the usual deal is $XX.XX per episode, and that's it. Each year, that amount can be renegotiated. Maybe JB was able to get residuals for re-runs, but I'd be surprised.

They have pulled all reruns indefinitely though... Probably to scrub out all traces of Josh.

[Idolatry]

I want Anderson Cooper to interview Josh.

Just Josh. No Daddy. No Mama. No wifey.

I am ready for him to man up and tell his side.

What happened to leave and cleave?

Or Oprah. She knows a lot about the situation, and child molestors are her pet project. Gotta love that it was Oprah that got the police involved, finally.

He wouldn't even realize what Oprah had gotten him to say until it was too late. Anderson Cooper is too busy grandstanding with his own intellect.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I missed the show last night, but I caught the highlights on Fox.com and then read Buzzards recap (thanks so much for that!!)

Anyone ever meet someone or know someone in your own circle who is so accustomed to lying or omissions that they truly believe the drivel that comes out of their own mouths? Be it for constant CYA reasons, or even a child or young person who is in the process of learning manipulation...JB and Michelle are so ingrained with the BS that the BELIEVE the crap they say. He's excellent (IMHO) at the politician double talk. Avoidance tactics. Make light of a serious situation. They are both more embarrassed about the reputation than anything else. JB smiled a bit at the end when she asked what happens now. He knows full well, all press is good press. As long as there is something floating around about them, they will pull some sort of compensation. The girls truly believe that the have been victimized more by the reports. They know their places well. They play their roles well. It's sad and pathetic but it's true. We can hope and wish all day that one parent or both wises up and that Josh truly, regretfully apologizes to his sisters and everyone goes to family counselling ...but lets be honest, it will never happen. This has actually only solidified Michelle's argument about the trans men and the restrooms. M-Logic: If a good Christian boy can't control himself in his own home...how can we trust men who dress as women to control themselves? They are more savvy in their lack of control...to dress as a woman is simply a tactic to get what they want.

This will die down, the girls will get their own spinoff...it'll last for a little while, the boy will open a business somewhere safe among their own or perhaps-as many have mentioned-go work at ATI. The parents will raise the rest of the brood in the same fashion they raised these...except that door will be firmly shut, they will use this experience as a tool to tell those children, "the outside world is evil and it will come for you simply because you are Christian". "Trust no one outside your circle, and never, EVAH, trust: law enforcement/judges/counselors/anyone remotely secular".

You are so correct that JB and Mich will use this an excuse for them to never trust anyone outside their group again.

They think all LE are pedophile pornographers who will leak their reports and that all child services are out to get them.

I would like Michelle to explain exactly how girls trip to to the Children's Safety Center was leaked. Because it was not. If anything these parents have leaked more than the police report did and that report did notnhave names or psychiatrists interviews in it.

[Idolatry]

They have pulled all reruns indefinitely though... Probably to scrub out all traces of Josh.

Nope, sponsors have pulled out. That includes re-runs. The franchise is now toxic. :twisted:

[silverspoons]

Can we all spend the next few minutes finding photos of big brothers holding/carrying little sisters just to prove this statement wrong?

There are pictures of Jodryn sitting on the laps or being carried by James-Jason-Justin(I have seen pictures of 2 of these boys at least with her but I honestly can't tell them apart sometimes). Just look at pictures of them from TV interviews or especially at the time in the Little Rock house.

[Rescinded and Mended]

I can't speak for the young Josh Duggar, the youth who was scared and confused about what his own body was doing to him as he matured, and how he was shamed by his parents for feeling any natural sexual urges as he moved toward adulthood. He may have been genuinely sorry for what he did to his sisters. On the other hand, he may have only be sorry to be caught, depending on one's interpretation of matters.

But right now, at this moment, Josh Duggar is no man. Right now, he does the unforgivable and refuses to speak. He sends the sisters that he wronged into the national spotlight to weep for him; to bleed, once again, as they are cut thousands of times by the media that has exposed their story and their brother's sins, and now they have been instructed to advocate on his behalf and protect him.

Josh allows the women in his family to be sacrificed for his sins, letting them be cut open and laid bare for all the world to see, against their will. If he was any kind of man, he would speak up and tell them he is sorry, that he was wrong for hurting them and that he shouldn't have allowed them to try and protect him now, when the only right thing to do is to come forward and fight his own battle.

But no. Josh won't ever do any such thing, because he is not a man...in every sense of the word.

[Snarkle Motion]

I think when the cameras are on they can hold the girls. I don't think they will inappropriately touch them during televised events or photos in the large family group. But JB should have clarified that. I think the cameras did provide some monitoring of the children and might have been a bonus in the safeguard department.

While I agree with your reasoning it doesn't quite fit with the Duggar's own twisted logic. So men may be so tempted or overcome with sexual arousal - but only when nobodies watching, then they can totes control it? And isn't their God always watching? I've always thought that the constant monitoring approach the Duggars use actually results in never learning actual self control (in general, obviously not in regards to inappropriately touching your sister which should be a given). Because they've never had an opportunity to be alone or be confronted by a situation that may require them to exert self control since they believe in removing anything threatening from the environment. So how are they supposed to go from having their lives completely structured and monitored to being expected to be in completed control of themselves, their wife, and their children?

[Nishi621]

What a cluster fuck of an interview!!

And, I would bet that come Friday at the end of the girl's interview, Josh somehow shows up and they all do a big hug love fest to show how much they still love him!

Also, poor JD!! Isn't he the next oldest son after Josh? Can you imagine what they put him through after finding out Josh did this? I always wondered why Josh and JD being so close in age never seemed to be truly friends, now I know why.....

[Snarkle Motion]

There are pictures of Jodryn sitting on the laps or being carried by James-Jason-Justin(I have seen pictures of 2 of these boys at least with her but I honestly can't tell them apart sometimes). Just look at pictures of them from TV interviews or especially at the time in the Little Rock house.

Which leads to 1 of 2 conclusions:

1) They are lying about the rules they implemented in the house which begs the question of what other things are they lying about.

OR

2) The abuse was not limited to those instances 12 years ago and other instances have occurred more recently resulting in the addition of new rules. Which also means they are lying about the extent of the abuse.

Either way they are lying liars who LIE! :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

[ApologistsBeDamned]

What a cluster fuck of an interview!!

And, I would bet that come Friday at the end of the girl's interview, Josh somehow shows up and they all do a big hug love fest to show how much they still love him!

Also, poor JD!! Isn't he the next oldest son after Josh? Can you imagine what they put him through after finding out Josh did this? I always wondered why Josh and JD being so close in age never seemed to be truly friends, now I know why.....

Apparently Michelle's idea of dealing was to criminalize all "big boys".

So I am sure life got very hairy for JD after this.

[Mama Mia]

Which leads to 1 of 2 conclusions:

1) They are lying about the rules they implemented in the house which begs the question of what other things are they lying about.

OR

2) The abuse was not limited to those instances 12 years ago and other instances have occurred more recently resulting in the addition of new rules. Which also means they are lying about the extent of the abuse.

Either way they are lying liars who LIE! :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

I don't think she was necessarily lying about that part. She said the care taking / physical contact restrictions were for the older / big boys ( don't recall exact phrasing ) . I figured she meant puberty/ teen age and up.

Which kind of explains why they did those really sad separations of the kids as they got older. I assumed it was due to their gender role beliefs, and that's how it was portrayed on camera - but I bet that's why Joy and Josiah stopped being so close. - they didn't want any unsupervised interaction once they hit puberty.

[Evenkeel]

Apparently Michelle's idea of dealing was to criminalize all "big boys".

So I am sure life got very hairy for JD after this.

Yeah, if anyone deserves any sympathy in all of this it's the younger J boys and, to a different extent, the younger J girls. If they put all of these ridiculous rules in place to keep "things" from happening again, then the result was the younger boys being tarred with the same brush as their brother and the little girls being confused about why their brothers can't play with them. I firmly believe that is why John-David has made himself disappear. He was old enough to understand what was going on when it first went down, he watches his twin sister be forced into the sister-mom role while being discouraged from having a "normal" relationship with her that one would expect from even opposite-sex twins, and then skedaddles out of the spotlight as soon as he possibly can.

[HairToday]

Did anyone else notice that whoever edited Megyn's interview knew what they were doing - especially toward the end when Megyn got the daughters to say, "I was his victim," and "he victimized me." Megyn was freaking clever when you think about it. It was worse than the disaster people predicted it would be - but MEGYN IS CITED IN HUNDREDS/THOUSANDS OF NEWS HEADLINES TODAY for the interview. She freaking beat the Duggars at their own ugly game. She used them to exploit herself to the media. And she's media. She worked them the same way they used every foodbank appearance and political rally... she got her name all over the headlines.

Its really sad when you think about it. She said she was going to give them a chance to tell their side. And they fell for it. Which is predictable for media whores. But who knew she would win so big in the end. I can't tolerate the Duggars but now Megyn seems just as bad. She actually took an ugly situation and made it worse. Way, way worse. And I bet the Duggars are pretty pissed today and are definitely NOT looking forward to Friday.

You notice how none of the Duggars are releasing statements or tweets today saying how pleased they were with the interview? No one is thanking Megyn for helping them clear things up. Cuz she just gave them enough camera time to really exploit how screwed up they are. And in my opinion, it ALL goes back to JimBob and Michelle being dysfunctional narcissists who took a bunch of innocent babies and raised them into ignorant uneducated people who aren't ready for the 21st Century. Technically, I think JimBob is an egomaniac and Michelle is codependent. Regardless of how you label it, they're dangerous and dysfunctional. And done.

[Cartmann99]

Mike Huckabee is trying to distance himself from the Duggar family:

There are articles all over the web today about this train wreck, in which the Duggars denied Josh had “molested†anyone, said the girls didn’t even recall the event, and tried to play the usual “persecuted Christian†role that Fox News continually pushes out to their aging right wing audience.

And today, Talking Points Memo reports that even Mike Huckabee, who stood by the Duggars as the story got worse and worse, has now pulled the Duggars’ endorsements from his campaign site.

Read more at http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article ... W9AbisG.99

[The Duggar's Mohel]

It seems like the Duggers just want to excuse what they themselves keep calling, "the inexcusable".

That's just good morality right there.

[twinmama]

Or Oprah. She knows a lot about the situation, and child molestors are her pet project. Gotta love that it was Oprah that got the police involved, finally.

He wouldn't even realize what Oprah had gotten him to say until it was too late. Anderson Cooper is too busy grandstanding with his own intellect.

Reminds me of Jon Stewart. He is smart and will run circles around some of the idiots he interviews. I can just imagine what he'd do the Duggars!!!!

[The Duggar's Mohel]

Reminds me of Jon Stewart. He is smart and will run circles around some of the idiots he interviews. I can just imagine what he'd do the Duggars!!!!

Jon was amazing in calling out Jim Cramer for his bull.

[Stoned Fundie]

The Talk just had a pretty intense discussion about the interview.

[Buzzard]

We aren't going to hear from Josh unless TLC both cancels the show and decides not to move forward with a spin off. They're trying to do damage control (poorly, of course, but they're trying) and Josh would ruin that. They're orchestrating this as much as they can, the two girls are likely going to be heavily coached, they're going to move forward with a lawsuit (at least for show), etc. And they've shown they have no qualms with throwing him under the bus ("don't punish our whole family just cause our son is a pervert!"); so I doubt they care at all about how the world views him, so long as they can control how the world views mommy and daddy.

What lawsuit?

In Touch released it pursuant to a FOIA act. Whether it was improperly released isnt their issue, they got it properly.

Police and county attorney - unless they can prove malice (which they cant because I believe the release was legal), they are protected by sovereign immunity.

MAYBE they can sue the county, but that would be a pretty tough road considering that there is no evidence that the record was sealed.

[wotdancer]

I wish (...I know, I know...) someone that the girls would listen to and respect would tell them that it wasn't the criminal justice system that failed to protect them - it was their parents! I just don't know if I can watch Jill and Jessa spew the same lines as JB&M tomorrow....

[meep]

How did the girls "not know" and "not remember" what happened to them; but in the police report, one of the girls burst out crying and the others told police what they remembered?

[The Duggar's Mohel]

What lawsuit?

In Touch released it pursuant to a FOIA act. Whether it was improperly released isnt their issue, they got it properly.

Police and county attorney - unless they can prove malice (which they cant because I believe the release was legal), they are protected by sovereign immunity.

MAYBE they can sue the county, but that would be a pretty tough road considering that there is no evidence that the record was sealed.

And what the hell was that J'chelle said about it "might have been a bribe", Ummmm what? I like how Megyn just glossed over that. Seriously, is J'Chelle accusing that the release through FOI is somehow attached to a bribe?

[The Duggar's Mohel]

How did the girls "not know" and "not remember" what happened to them; but in the police report, one of the girls burst out crying and the others told police what they remembered?

The guilty always mitigate, always.