House passes late-term abortion ban

[crazyforkate]

Women of America, you are so fucked.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

[tabitha2]

won't get thru the senate and even if it did Obama would veto it. not really sweating it.

[crazyforkate]

It's not so much this particular bill as the overall climate that worries me. Even if it's not from the current initiative, the right to abortion is in real danger. I get jumpy, I guess...

[Coconut Flan]

It was another waste of time and effort. If anything they'll be pushing more people out of the Republican party. The moderates that I know are quite discontented.

[Sass]

Every time Trent Franks (he sponsored this bill) pops up in the news I facepalm for my state. He is such a fucking creep and it seems like banning abortion is the only reason he ever got into politics.

[Ruby Slippers]

won't get thru the senate and even if it did Obama would veto it. not really sweating it.

You really should. People don't understand the fragility of Roe, how much it was eroded by Casey, and how hard the anti-choice crowd is trying to revisit Roe in the Supreme Court. This is likely not the court you want that challenge heard by.

I urge you all to first, contact your senators to make clear how you want them to vote when it comes; and second, to check you Reps' votes today and voice your feelings to them. Fuck, man, I will write a generic one for you all to copy and paste if anyone wants it.

[E Street Fan]

You really should. People don't understand the fragility of Roe, how much it was eroded by Casey, and how hard the anti-choice crowd is trying to revisit Roe in the Supreme Court. This is likely not the court you want that challenge heard by.

I urge you all to first, contact your senators to make clear how you want them to vote when it comes; and second, to check you Reps' votes today and voice your feelings to them. Fuck, man, I will write a generic one for you all to copy and paste if anyone wants it.

That can't be said enough. The anti-choicers are counting on people staying complacent about Roe. They are counting on people not putting up much of a fight while they chip away at other people's rights. I've heard anti-choice people say that Roe will never be overturned even while they work to do just that.

[Arete]

I'm with the other two posters, this is the usual suspects out for their regular exercise. They have been warned by the moderate Republican representatives in the House that this is a bad idea that is going to cause more people to walk from the Republican party. It's being done anyway. This is just going to piss people off. They have no support in the Senate, none in the White House, and no one who isn't already an anti choice fanatic is going to have their minds changed by this stunt. And it is a stunt.

Let them show their crazy.

[JenniferJuniper]

This won't get anywhere, but I agree with the comment about the overall climate.

Ladies, you need to leave those 15 week male fetuses alone to jerk off in peace! Why should you girls have the right to terminate all those horny future menfolk????

As soon as you hear one of those white male Republicans spout off the nuttiest comment you have ever heard, they always seem to be able to find someone else to step it up to a new level of crazy.

[docmom]

I am going to pass a bill that REQUIRES you to donate a kidney if you match someone on the kidney transplant list. I don't care if you have only one kidney and giving your other one away will kill you, we need to save LIVES here. I don't care if psychologically you are not fit or ready to have a kidney removed. We need to save LIVES. I don't care if you think the surgery might be dangerous- they remove kidneys laparoscopically now, it's safer than childbirth, and we need to save LIVES. Your life is not as important as the recipient's so suck it up! Not giving your kidney is MURDER!

First in line for testing for compatibility- pro-LIFERS!

[Ruby Slippers]

List of all reps who voted in favor so you can check yours.

http://www.whatthefolly.com/2013/06/18/ ... rtion-ban/

How to find out who your rep is to contact and bitch out or thank.

http://m.house.gov/#/representatives/

How to find your senator to make your voice heard.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_i ... rs_cfm.cfm

Please don't be complacent about any threat to Roe. Complacency is always dangerous.

[RandomTrivia]

You really should. People don't understand the fragility of Roe, how much it was eroded by Casey, and how hard the anti-choice crowd is trying to revisit Roe in the Supreme Court. This is likely not the court you want that challenge heard by.

I urge you all to first, contact your senators to make clear how you want them to vote when it comes; and second, to check you Reps' votes today and voice your feelings to them. Fuck, man, I will write a generic one for you all to copy and paste if anyone wants it.

If you write a generic letter, I'll take one. I haven't written much since college, and I get stuck lately when I try to write anything complicated. Out of practice, I guess.

ETA: Oh, look, one of my local Reps is on the list. Not surprised, he's conservative, and his columns in the paper back home are always an interesting read. Wonderful.

[Ruby Slippers]

I'm with the other two posters, this is the usual suspects out for their regular exercise. They have been warned by the moderate Republican representatives in the House that this is a bad idea that is going to cause more people to walk from the Republican party. It's being done anyway. This is just going to piss people off. They have no support in the Senate, none in the White House, and no one who isn't already an anti choice fanatic is going to have their minds changed by this stunt. And it is a stunt.

Let them show their crazy.

Or it is going to rally and energize the anti-choice troops and prove to them how far they can go if they keep pushing, give them motivation to not let this shit go already.

[Ruby Slippers]

If you write a generic letter, I'll take one. I haven't written much since college, and I get stuck lately when I try to write anything complicated. Out of practice, I guess.

I am on my phone so will do later.

[Coconut Flan]

My representative did not vote for it and having a not conservative woman is one reason I voted for her. However, the one representative from our state that I do know voted for it. :( I thought he had more brain power than that.

[lizziesmom]

won't get thru the senate and even if it did Obama would veto it. not really sweating it.

The senate isn't even going to vote on it, and as you posted, Obama would veto. There are way too many crazies in the house due to gerrymandering. How else to you explain Bachman?

[lizziesmom]

It was another waste of time and effort. If anything they'll be pushing more people out of the Republican party. The moderates that I know are quite discontented.

Where are the moderates in the Republican party and why aren't they trying to take back their party from the far right?

[galaxygirl]

Obviously they are not very concerned about getting the White House back.

[Ruby Slippers]

Copy and paste me, early and often.

Dear Representative _____:

I am writing to express my __ (fill in your level of emotion, lol) at your vote of "yes" to HR 1797.

This act is titled the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Act." However, science rather definitively demonstrates that a developing fetus does not feel pain. An exhaustive analysis of more than 2000 previous fetal pain studies was published in 2005 in The Journal of the American Medical Association, which states, "Evidence regarding the capacity for fetal pain is limited but indicates that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester." The third trimester begins around 28 weeks-- in other words, long after the supposed "Pain-Capable Act" designates. A 2010 Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynecology review of literature on the subject indicates, "it can be concluded that the fetus cannot experience pain in any sense prior to" 24 weeks. I have given you their conclusions, but you can read the scientific evidence behind the conclusions yourself at http://www.rcog.org.uk/files/rcog-corp/ ... PR0610.pdf and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16118385 .

Nor are the Constitution or the Courts on your side. Women have protection of life and liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They also have the viability holding of Roe to protect them.

You may feel you have granted an exception for the life of the mother; however, this exception is merely a facade. There are any number of conditions that threaten a woman's health that are exacerbated or complicated by pregnancy such as diabetes, MS, lupus, or epilepsy. Since these conditions are only considered threats to a woman's "health" and not "life," your law in essence requires the pregnancy to continue until it may be too serious to treat. Consider the recent case in El Salvador of Beatriz, whose lupus caused kidney failure, and yet she still was not deemed sick enough to have an abortion, or the case of the girl in the Dominican Republic who could not terminate to receive chemo and subsequently died of leukemia. Do you really want to emulate those countries? As you can see, an exception only for the "life" of the mother only allows her health to decline until her life indeed is jeopardized. This is in direct violation to her Constitutional right to life and liberty.

You may also feel that the disgusting case of Kermit Gosnell justifies further restriction of abortion. Yet you should realize that he was not an abortion provider. On the contrary, he was delivering babies and then killing them. There is a rather large difference between the two practices. That difference widens even more significantly when you consider the reality that in late term abortions, the fetus's heart is often stopped with digoxin or potassium chloride. Now consider that Pennsylvania has extremely restrictive abortion laws. Is it any wonder that Gosnell existed there? The argument against gun legislation is that it will not prevent criminals from getting illegal guns. How, then, do you propose that abortion legislation will prevent women from getting illegal abortions? You have invited more Kermit Gosnells with your "yes" vote on HR 1797.

In closing, your Republican Party likes to say it considers states' rights paramount. This act is entirely more restrictive than the laws of many states. I urge you to consider how this act contradicts the ideals of your party, endangers the health of women, and renders inhumanity unto women's interests in their own children.

AND FUCK YOU.

[ADoyle90815]

Fortunately due to redistricting following the census, my representative was one of those who voted against it. On the other hand, I'm not surprised that my former representative voted for it, since he was one of the most extreme right wing politicians to come from California. Still,while I know that the Senate won't approve this, and that Obama would veto it, it still scares the crap out of me since Roe v Wade is still very fragile, and could potentially be overturned.

[docmom]

If their argument to restrict abortion after 20 weeks is to prevent fetal pain then they must by logical extension approve of abortion at any time to prevent fetal pain from certain anomalies and other genetic conditions, right? The pain associated with a properly performed late trimester termination is significantly less than many of these conditions. However I'm guessing that this bill does not say that because they couldn't care less about fetal pain. This all about controlling women.

[Anxious Girl]

America is the land of the free for heterosexual old Christian men only! In order to protect the power structure, we have to protect teh unborn menz!!1eleventy1! We only protect teh unborn girls so that they can give births to unborn men to keep the power structure as it is! * cough * Did anybody hear anything? I thought it was the wind... :whistle:

[Lillybee]

I am sure that my rep. voted for it. He is one of the sponsers of the bill reducing food stamps, too. He is a save the fetuses and let the babies and children starve type.

[Anxious Girl]

I am sure that my rep. voted for it. He is one of the sponsers of the bill reducing food stamps, too. He is a save the fetuses and let the babies and children starve type.

The fundies are all, "America was founded on God and teh 10 Commandments!" But in order to fulfill the Rapture in which God said that he would cause and not humans, they ignore soldiers who kill in the Middle-East, because Christian fundies want to get to Heaven faster than those who they consider non-Christians, and non-Christians in general. They're sick fucks.

[lizziesmom]

I am sure that my rep. voted for it. He is one of the sponsers of the bill reducing food stamps, too. He is a save the fetuses and let the babies and children starve type.

Sounds just like mine. He wouldn't support a bill that required insurance companies that pay for viagra to also pay for birth control and mammograms, so I know it's a waste of breath to complain to him. Women belong in the home making babies after all.